Advanced humanoid Roboy to be ‘born’ in nine months
December 26, 2012

Roboy (credit: Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, University of Zurich)
Meet Roboy, “one of the most advanced humanoid robots,” say researchers at the Artificial Intelligence Laboratory of the University of Zurich.
Their 15 project partners and over 40 engineers and scientists are constructing Roboy as a tendon-driven robot modeled on human beings (robots usually have their motors in their joints, giving them that “robot” break-dance look), so it will move almost as elegantly as a human.
Roboy will be a “service robot,” meaning it will execute services independently for the convenience of human beings, as in the movie Robot & Frank.
And since service robots share their “living space” with people, user-friendliness and safety, above all, are of great importance, roboticists point out.
Which is why “soft robotics” — soft to the touch, soft in their interaction, soft and natural in their movements — will be important, and Roboy will be covered with “soft skin,” making interacting with him safer and more pleasant.
Service robots are already used in a wide variety of areas today, including for household chores, surveillance work and cleaning, and in hospitals and care homes. Our aging population is making it necessary to keep older people as autonomous as possible for as long as possible, which means caring for aged people is likely to be an important area for the deployment of service robots, roboticists say.
To speed up the process, the AI Lab researchers set a goal to build Roboy in just 9 months (the project began five months ago). Roboy will be unveiled at the Robots on Tour March 8 and 9, 2013 in Zurich.
To make this ambitious schedule possible, they decided to finance the first grassroots robotics project via crowdfunding. To participate, see Make Roboy your friend.
You can also friend Roboy on Facebook.
By announcing the birth of a humanoid baby robot, we are not implying any relationship to a current holiday and certain Futurama episodes — get that idea out of your head! BTW, Roboy just accepted my friend request. That’s not something you see every day. —- Ed.
Comments (164)
by Devour
I wonder if they could cook…
by vernes
The “super smart robots will kill us all” is like saying “This etch-a-sketch will expose us to obscenity and vulgarity”.
For starters, the robots are designed, and although we strife for them to be able to reach their own conclusion, you do NOT give them the keys to your bombs.
You do NOT design fail-safe that can be bypassed by any means.
If you say that this scenario happens, you are actually saying you DESIGNED the robots for exactly this scenario. Let’s pretend we do not wish to create an elaborate suicide machine ok?
Further more, acts of evil, or rather, acts that put yourself in a better position at the cost of others are by their very nature self-destructive.
Only short sighted people take this action and although it works for a short while, their actions will cost them more then it gained them.
Entertaining the thought that an AI with superior intellect will reach the same faulty conclusions as humans is laughable.
Please stop trying to integrate robots into your apocalypse-addiction. It has absolutely no other function except to slow down progress in general by creating bad image, decreasing the funding we need from rich, dumb people.
by Max
Have any of this “researchers” ever heard of the Uncanny valley?
by da
yep, they have. state of the art: “physically working in a non-human way but in a humanoid body”. approach to improve the valley situation: “physically working in a human style way in a humanoid body”. Still not human, and if it tries to “fake it” too much, it’ll still get rejected, but it’ll produce fewer of the “OMG, you can’t be serous that some families give their Roomba a pet name and take it on vacation?” responses and more of the “yeah, we really want to look after our roboy too, and want to make sure he gets to a great college when he leaves home” responses. (Okay, improbable, but since the apocalypse-by-robot trolling started, I thought this more probable scenario worthy of comment).
by Jimbo
Of course pop culture will go nuts when these come out, I bet there will be a swarm of reality TV shows, like “Pimp My Robot” and “Jersey Robot Goes To The Shore”.
by Ira Baxter
I love the BS about “Roboy is targeted as a service robot”. This announcement is about mechanical implementation. It contains nothing to indicate the people behind have any ability to deliver a smart enough computing to run a robot, or any demonstartion that this robot can actually do anything. I object to either the people behind the project collecting money by implying that this robot is likely to be useful, or the person writing the article, who seems to be living in a fantasy about what is practical.
by Ronda
It’s just gonna be a matter of time before the first “incident”.
by Kate
Owner: Roboy, sweep the floor.
Roboy: Sorry, deep the door does not compute.
Owner: No, no, I said – sweep the floor.
Roboy: Sorry, weep the store does not compute.
Owner: what’s wrong with your voice recognition software?
Roboy: It is working perfectly.
Owner: Then why can’t you understand me?
Roboy: Humans are complex beings, it is difficult to understand them.
Owner: No, I mean why don’t you comprehend what I am saying?
Roboy: Deep the door, weep the store, does not compute. Please issue a new command.
Owner; Roboy- got to sleep, I’ll do it myself. Idiot.
Roboy: Complying.
by Suzy
I’m just worried that one industrialist or country in control of a army of these, they can do what ever they want and the robots won’t challenge their master because they are really just advanced computers. Its just really a matter of time.
by Lenora Good
Three Laws of Robotics:
A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.
by Moon
I hope you realize that those laws are simply just a science fiction convention and so they are not required to be instilled into robots/computers at all.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/10/what-robo-haulers-need-now-big-guns/
by teleri
It is my understanding that Asimov’s Laws of Robotics ARE being adapted for implementation (revised) by South Korea…
And WHY do morons continually insist that if an idea comes from a work of fiction is means nothing? I mean, REALLY??? I won’t even go into the mass of Star Trek devices that have been developed by geek engineers… Let me just point out that there are myriad instances of novels creating real change (Uncle Tom’s Cabin & The Jungle come to mind immediately.
by Moon
I am not saying it means nothing – I am saying that there is no formal agreement to incorporate those laws into robot design. There will probably also not be any large-scale effort to do so as this would run counter to military applications already in the works.
” I won’t even go into the mass of Star Trek devices that have been developed by geek engineers…”
I believe there is a big difference between developing technology and limiting technology.
by Marley
Suzy, isn’t that pretty much how every human army is developed already? ;)
by G Emerson Biggins
Yup, this is how it starts…they WILL kill us all!
by SATIRO
LETS NOT WORRY TOO MUCH! THE ROBOTS ARE HERE TO HELP US. THEY WILL GATHER ALL OUR INFORMATION SEND IT TO THE GIANT ROBOT,THEY WILL KNOW EVERY MOVE WE MAKE WORD WE SAY HABBITS PATTERNS INFIRMITIES THEY WILL SEND ROBOT NURSES AND KOBORKIES IF THE PAIN IS TOO UNBEARABLE,SO PLEASE DON’T WORRY, WORRYING WILL KILL YOU SOONER THAN THE KOBORKYROBOTS.
by schlang
So, i guess this will be the new survailence gimmick of the NWO!
by greg
When can we buy a robot to send to work in place of us and still get paid
by Ronda
Great idea!
by infinitos
110 comment O.o
Now its 111
Epic.
by John
So the real question: Will it go on sale? Could they mass produce this robot? And if so, how much money are we talking about?
by MrUnlimited
Google: “Technological Singularity,” and prepare to be afraid.
by b
Yep, for sure people reading a site devoted to future technology that shares a name with the man who is probably the biggest voice behind the singularity need to google it.
by Erik Wilkinson
Wow… The more I read the clearer it becomes
by Ronda
Could I use my robot to beat up your robot?
by Bjorn Talvi
Roboy? Looks like someone’s a fan of the Venture Brothers show on Adult Swim… (see the episode “Self-Medication” for more information)…
by Frank
No matter what man/woman create it all came from what God created in the beginning.
by b
Do creationists really feel so threatened that you need to insert your religious views somewhere where no one cared or bothered to ask about?
by Larz0
You are the only one who seems threatened.
by b
How so? Lol… people are so ridiculous…
by bizonc
yes they are.
by bizonc
I think the the conservative religious folks or perhaps all religious folks do not like the idea that sentience can be created and will be created one day. It’s why some even reject the idea that we will created conscious mechanical or virtual beings. That and the illusion of free will is even scarier than Darwinianism and Cosmology. If consciousness came about once by natural processes it can happen again with our aid. We will create them in our image but hopefully without the lengthy millions of years of selection of our nasty more primitive traits.
The space of possible intelligences might be extensive.
http://www.kk.org/writings/nerd_theology.pdf
by Rob
they will not have souls unfortunately – humans can’t create those
by b
No one here is trying to replicate a ‘soul’. There is no point is trying to make something that is so ill-defined as a supernatural entity that is contained within some shell. They aren’t trying to disprove creationism… this project or others like it have no interest in religious dogma, it simply doesn’t factor in. It DOES not matter what you believe, robots and computers will continue to change and advance, or it won’t. This is independent of what your religious views are. They do not care. It is irrelevant. These attempts at criticizing their efforts or shoving some random bit of religious mysticism into it is pathetic.
by Ronda
You seem to care!
by b
Nope, I just care to point out how silly it is. There is a difference.
by m
Amen,brother!
by rkl
will robogrl have a working vajay jay
by Tamalain
As long as it doesn’t have a single red eye that sweeps back and forth, while utering, By your command.
by GFR
The Japanese made a female robot that looks Asian:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbFFs4DHWys
by lauren
So the question is, “Do robots dream electric sheep?”
by Jim
“Hal, open the air lock”.
by Hal
God created man in just one day. So what if men can make a robot.
by Dayle
God gave man the brain that eventually evolved to create such a device to replace him. Man then just lets this machine take care of him, and because it is so intelligent, it will continue make itself more able to conduct this task.
by Taulo
Sad, I know!
by Poly
I wonder if Roboy will have better grammatical skills than the participants on this blog.
by John
Great another device to take physical activity off the table for humans. Hopefully, by 2020 they can make it so we never have to wake up, we can just plug in to some device and lay in bed all day. And we definitely need robots to do work because we are obviously running out of humans to do jobs. Right, we have too many jobs for humans to do right? Or is it the other way around? I forget?
Well the important thing is scientist feed their egos and preach to us about how their inventions will make things so much better for all of us. I mean where would we be without Xbox and PS2 and WII? Can you imagine kids having to actually go outside to play?The horror…
Or people having to actually write a letter to someone using a pen and their hands? GROSS!!
So that is what we have to look forward to fat nasty people who lay in bed all day without jobs. Yea science!!
by GFR
I take it you’re typing this on a firewood powered computer?
by TheSparks
LOL! ;)
by Tippy
Ha love it FIREWOOD HA HA
by Ken
That is a pretty one-sided argument against science. I am a software engineer and I am in pretty good shape…I eat right and exercise. I also play psp and xbox, I stream movies and shows constantly, I create new solutions that cut other peoples time so that they can enjoy their life…or do some exercise too. Becoming fat has no direct affect on what science does or does not produce…the science is already there we only discover its use. I imagine one day there will be a method to maintain a certain metabolism by choice and that would alleviate most weight concerns…will you be thanking science then or find a new avenue to make illogical arguments?
by Roger Robo
This will be a great boon to Home Care technology which will allow seniors to remain independent for a greater period. They will be able to clean, fetch, and assist old seniors in myriad ways.
by georgie pie
Awesome post…not a hint of sarcasm.
by Eugene
I went outside and yelled a reply. Didn’t you hear me?
by Ronda
I heard you! LOL!!!
by JoeShmo1979
Just imagine a squad of these things storming the hideouts of terrorists in Afghanistan/Pakistan? muahaha. Forget that crap. More like watch ur @$$ Iran. One way to take out a belligerant’s nuke program could be to take it over with a robo special forces unit. Can’t hold a captured robot hostage and put it on TV. Just doesnt play for the bleeding heart media.
by GFR
How about an army of “terminator” style robots? Or better yet an army of aerial drones?.. ?.. never mind..
by Mendoza
Did you ever notice how the news has a tendency to report something that’s been around for a decade as some great new innovation?
by Tippy
yep
by Steve
The only downside to this is its going to put even more health care workers, etc. out of a job.
by carl
The US has had these robots for years. Millions of them voted for Obama in the past two elections!
by chuck
Now THAT is funny!!!
by Dude
They run on foodstamps
by Silverfawn
Why a robot boy? In terms of service, a boy cannot reach high shelves, lift heavy objects, etc. A robot man or woman would be much more practical in that respect, tall and strong enough to help out more. Also, the “creepy” factor would not be quite so high. Even covered with “soft” skin, that skeletal frame combined with “baby” face is jarring, to say the least. Here’s a hint developers– please include a NOSE, ears, eyebrows, some kind of skin tone besides silver and more realistic mouth in the final product.
by ElBarto
It’s exactly how it all started with the Cylons. First they’re doing our laundry, next they’re spraying us with machine guns.
by CHicken mcfly
why would you want a giant robot….there probably going to take over the world
by GFR
I wouldn’t feel so bad if the world was taken over by a GIANT robot…
by Tippy
silly they have laws on guns to keep them out of there hands only bad roboy boys will get them
by GFR
What about a GIANT robot?
by Moon
The more real/lifelike they try to make it, the creepier it is more likely to appear to be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley
by Rock Smithy
Can he play trumpet? How many miles per gallon does he get? Will he turn tricks on the down low like a Boogie Woogie Elmo?
Btw, when did we start working for the machines instead of the other way around? I don’t like that. That’s a bad bellwether if you ask me. More and more every day, I am reminded of that last scene from the last episode of Battlestar Galactica with the Jimi Hendrix music blasting.
Speaking of rocking good, collaborative, live, human expression, what was that tune by Living Colour with the lyric, “Everything is possible but nothing is real”? Yeah, that about sums up how I feel about this stuff right now.
Also, next time you see it being touted, remember that millions and millions of live, breathing (mostly special needs) human beings would fail the Turing test over and over and over again, and (get this) they would still be real live human beings–get that idea into your head!
PS – Regarding dear editor, methinks he/she/(it?) doth protest too much at the end of this article, though, in conjunction with those Battlestar flashbacks I keep having, it also makes the story of that obscure, live, human birth seem more relevant.
by GFR
Sorry – this article was a Turing test – you just failed…
by Rock Smithy
Based on your response, it would seem that I passed.
by Shen
If the fembots get vaginas will their counterparts be equipped with a swantz?
by GFR
You will be able to buy accessories of various shapes and sizes customized to fit your sexual organs.
by bobthemoron
I’m down for Hookerbots. Pleasure without all the drama.
by Marc
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.
by Bjorn Talvi
How about I just get deleted to the neverwere?
by George
Bladerunner!
by Zan
Lets hope no one aborts the little mass of wires before he officially is born.
by Texcentric
I don’t know why they need to build robots. America is full of them already.
by James
“…a tendon-driven robot modeled on human beings (robots usually have their motors in their joints, giving them that “robot” break-dance look), so it will move almost as elegantly as a human.”
Wrong. Robots with motors in the joints are using harmonic drives, which, if well programmed, will move fluidly and ‘elegantly’. Other robots use linear actuators, which can do the same. Tendon driven robots are simply remotely locating the drives for the joints, much like your fishing reel is not at the end of the fishing rod but it can still make it move when you hook the end of the rod. The benefit of tendon driven robots is smaller limbs since you don’t have to package the drives in the limbs so you have more freedom to make your robot look how you want it.
by ElBarto
Clearly these service robots are designed to fill the labor gap as our ‘entitlement class’ or ‘idle poor’ population continues to explode. Not just to care for the elderly and children, but to do all those tasks requiring basic social skills that those people simply do not have. Like being on time, not looking at their phones every 30 seconds, etc. Of course it’s all fun and games until they decide they don’t like us anymore…Whoops.
by rik
Can this roboy flush the toilet after it uses it or even clean it’s room when you tell it?
by Seventhson
If I could have my wish, I would have one of these but instead of being wrapped in ‘a soft skin’, I would put him inside a teddy bear and call him Ted. Also, Seth McFarlane would do his voice….
by Editor
Ok now you are creeping me out and Roboy suddenly seems normal ;)
by Dude
I wish people would just see this as a tool it will be quirky and not really up to what people expect artificial inteligence does not exist you can’t even get a decent answering machine when you call the bank.
by TRE
It’s creepy and all, but I admit I kind of want my own robot boy.
by Syd
Creating the creepy little robots that Americans won’t do.
by Max17
Could this be as big as the last invention to revolutionize the world? They call that one the Segway. It was to alter the way cities were developed. The CEO died when he accidentally drove on over a cliff.
by 20 Mike Mike
Max, you have correctly identified the impact of such a technological development, but in all likelihood it will be employed by humankind to satisfy its numerous lusts, and thus as an instrument of self-destruction. Humanity’s deepening despair is evidenced by falling birth rates and ever increasing efforts to employ substitutes for humans and have these surrogates controlled by us.
We can turn to Hollywood (of old) for a remarkable commentary on the end of such things – not because they are intrinsically bad, but because they are turned to evil purpose.
Dr. Edward Morbius: “In times long past, this planet was the home of a mighty, noble race of beings who called themselves the Krell. Ethically and technologically they were a million years ahead of humankind, for in unlocking the meaning of nature they had conquered even their baser selves, and when in the course of eons they had abolished sickness and insanity, crime and all injustice, they turned, still in high benevolence, upwards towards space. Then, having reached the heights, this all-but-divine race disappeared in a single night, and nothing was preserved above ground. “(Forbidden Planet – 1956)
by GFR
Supposing we use these robots to conceive, carry and raise human children for us? That way we would never become as insufferably perfect as the Krell, and we wouldn’t have to undergo a voluntary extinction event.
by bobthemoron
Hysterical turn of events. Sorry that the guy died, but LMAO when I heard about it.
by Del
He didnt design the segway, he bought it
by TurtleFL
This needs to be something with a lot of utility to catch on and be “revolutionary.” Trouble with the Segway is it doesn’t keep you dry in the rain like a car does, nor is it as fast and nimble as a motorcycle. Still limited to wheels, too. The little guy will have to really be handy.
by Picus8
In 75 years, the wealthiest person in the world will be the man/woman who invented the fembot with the best artificial vagina.
Let’s face it, this is where this stuff is headed.
by JWS
I’ve been saying it for years. Hookerbot 5000.
by Vlad the Skewerer
I have been calling mine the “Snappertronics 6500″
by Marco
Man, I sure hope it doesn’t take that long. I want one NOW. That looks like Selina Gomez.
by GFR
“Selina Gomez”? What are you – twelve?
by Pat
I predict “Robot Marriage” legislation on a ballot somewhere in the future. Dangerous times ahead.
by charles
Will there be any stigma attached to marrying one?
by Watcher
When this evolves (as we know it will) it will be a great way to eliminate Certified Nursing Assistants, cashiers, retail, service and production line workers and all those other service organic units that a expect a decent wage, full time work, health care and retirement! These guys will work 24×7 so widget production numbers can increase and stores can be open 24 hours on Thanksgiving and Christmas! Now what to do with all those costly, excess humans???
by Philip McDaniel
soylent green?
by Robbocop
Never mind the humans. How do we deal with robot thugs with union cards?
by GFR
The smart humans will buy a bunch of these things, learn how to repair them – then rent them out to do the jobs you’ve described. The dumb humans will work at WalMart…
by Cybernettr
Uh, just who do you think will be needed to patronize all those stores on Thanksgiving and Christmas?
by Miguelito
two words: Sky Net
by Jason
Sky Net = Google
by jc
true, google has already learned how to drive a frkn car and recognize faces, seems to know what i am searching for in just a few words..
by nganguem victor
j’aime ça
by Philip
I love it.. Waiting for more ‘Roboys’… :-)
by Delia
Can’t wait for a male robot that can have a long conversation about something other than himself! Agile fingers, soft lips, deep soothing voice, programmed to flatter and be mine and mine alone. And if/when his personality gets boring, change it! Perfect.
by Hoot4re
Or a lovely female robot that doesn’t speak!
by Juan
Hahahahahahahaha. True dat!
by Sid
And makes sandwiches!
by LOL
You can’t buy robots with welfare. Also, the hair from all your many cats will clog the exhaust fans.
by Kate
lol, now that was funny.
by Jim
how would that then be a “male” robot?
by Spikosauropod
All this cuteness and hype reminds me of an old Sea Monkey ad. What do we know about Roboy except that he wants our money?
by tom
Is anyone else creeped out by the fact that he looks almost exactly like the iRobot robots? Just a thought..
by Editor
“Good morning, sir. This is your new robot companion, Sergio. “But, but … he looks like those robots that kill people in that movie!” “No, problem, sir. If he tries to kill you, just inject these nanites.”….
by Editor
Image from I, Robot movie inserted above for comparison….
by Cybernettr
I always thought the robots in I, Robot were dumb looking. Robots with mannequin heads, or a bunch of walking wig stands.
by Chris
The music rulzd.
by Editor
Yes, ’cause there’s nothing that inspires warm feelings of trust in robots more than death metal simulating a chain saw grinding through a pile of steel girders, I always say!
by DJSero
That is does, Chris!
by Thomas
Any more info on this? Specs, what it can do, if it will be commercially available and at what price? Very scant info on their website.
by Josh
What is the name of the song?? I love it.
by Josh
I found it. The name of the song is “Live Part” by Ludvig Franzén.
by Editor
Thanks! Just listened to it on Spotify and listening to his other songs. Great stuff. Totally favoriting Franzén.
by Kimberly Danner
I wonder if anyone concerned about this? Will our impatience get the best of us?
by Chris
hello roboy, welcome to the uncanny valley
by Helladog
Send me one in nine months.
by Derek Nola
I like this music as well!
by Ed
It’s a little weird that the robot looks like the “I robot” could make people nervous in accepting this.
by Mr.X
Only in certain places where hollywood movies actually get taken seriously^^
Otherwise: Only in Europe!
by Dr.Pratt
Music sucked, but good start on selling the idea. Im good with this, as long as they don’t come up with a union. (The Robroys, that is.).
by godot
Did you mean a ‘union’ or an ‘onion’?
by Bri
I would take it as a bad sign if a robot ever unfriended you.
by Loren Bergeson
I do so wish Isaac Asimov had lived to see this.
by eldras
Asimov’ll see it! There doesn’t seem to be a limit. I thought robots a cul-de-sac when I was in a humanoid robot lab, since AGI would sweep everything aside.
What astounds me is the speed that predictions are happening. by 2015 home help robots will be tumbling down the price to buy like 3 D printer.
That’s up to 36 months away: doing household chores, plugging themselves in. After that they will build what they need to complete tasks (by 2022), including drilling your teeth or slapping stem cells on your face and doing micro work controlling nanobots to rejuvenate you.
They’ll also be more active in space.
After that superintelligence will begin arriving and humanoid domestic robots will merge with AGI’s, moving capitalism aside as they can build pretty much whatever you need from houses in under a day, to combining subatomic particles, the energy extracted from super efficient solars.
Because of abundance, there will be no difference between rich and poor and society will utterly change for the better ‘overnight’.
But intelligence is still the big one, and the centres for existential risk look pathetically too late and impotent to halt or even guide technology exploding.
Raising the dead will be here within 40 years, and splitting potentials to create alternate inhabitable dimensions as Greg Bear dealt with in Eon – so that your bedroom will open into an infinite, personally owned world, is coming.
eldras
https://sites.google.com/site/quantumarchaeology/
by John Doe
I am waiting for Superintelligence to build my physically ideal woman and program her to be my soulmate.
by ScottH
And then the robots will form a plan.
by WhoKnows3000
The convergence between humans and robots will be most interesting. We’re going to see such technologies incorporated into us soon. This will likely be before robots attain human-level intelligence.
by Ian
Sounds good to me, but I’ll believe it when I see it!
by godot
Eldras, that’s a very interesting manifesto you have written at
https://sites.google.com/site/quantumarchaeology/ .
It reads a little like a cybernetician’s psychedelic rant. As I was reading it initially, I found myself questioning whether it blurs not the line between science and fiction, but science and psychosis. Many assertions are made for which no evidence is given. For the sake of brevity, let’s eschew red herrings of form, or tarring with the brush of citing science fiction – or no – references, and focus on the viability of the fundamental concept you call “quantum archaeology.”
As applies to calculation based in classical physics, the progressively more acute “blur” in calculational prediction resulting from the uncertainty principle as delta-t increases, i.e. as we proceed farther from “now” into the future – OR THE PAST – is completely symmetric with respect to time. N.B. the word ‘blur’ is carefully chosen. The progressive error of calculated resolution is mathematically isomorphic to resolving detail at increasing distance from the blurred focus of a lens. My favorite way of saying this is, “you can’t predict the past any more accurately than you can predict the future.” But that really only applies to mechanics.
The symmetry of physics with respect to positive and negative time, i.e. the future and the past, is broken by the act of quantum mechanical measurement. The precise description of the future is dependent, by definition, upon indeterminate quantum states. But not so – the past. The measurement problem creates some doubt as to whether the existence of symmetry about “now” is even a valid question to ask. Many physicists prefer that a mechanism be discovered whereby previously determined (“measured,” “observed,” “decohered”) quantum numbers (integers) “dissolve” back into the quantum state described by complex numbers (or in some cases quaternions.) My friends refer to this as an event “unhappening.” Such a mechanism could go a long way toward reinstating the symmetry of calculational acuity with regard to the advancing hyper-surface “time=now,” but at present there is no evidence such a mechanism exists. It is difficult to imagine how one might structure an experiment to detect the phenomena of definite quantum numbers dissolving back into undetermined quantum states, or even if such an experiment is possible.
So the seminal requirement of quantum archaeology for an unlimited resolution of past events – the infinite precision and immutability forever of previously-determined quantum events – appears to be supported by currently-accepted physics. What a head scratcher! Good effort! It’s so seldom I see a defensible new idea introduced!
That being said, Eldras, you describe a datastructure which you imagine to be evolving as quantum archaeology progresses. One can imagine such a datastructure as initially describing all potentially possible past universes, progressing toward internal consistency by pruning the tree, and eliminating sets of conflicting potential histories. In your model, implications of evidence existing “now” (in the form of ensembles of determined quantum states) are projected against a canonical fabric of causality in the datastructure describing all remaining possible past configurations of the universe. Collisions are detected, and any “past” for which a path forward to “now” does not exist is eliminated.
I can’t help but wonder, “what would it be like to exist inside such a data structure?” Would it differ perceptually from the one in which we now find ourselves?
As an addendum, I would like to add a note regarding implementation. You state, “No man is outside nature, and his most private thoughts are solely products of his determinable biology, environment and the laws of physics.” Unfortunately a malicious example of the action of environment on the human brain is its being struck by a cosmic ray (or simply looking at a distant star.) Modeling such activity requires that something on the order of the size of the observable universe – but initially having googolplexes more degrees of freedom – be contained in and simulated by your quantum archeological modeler. The Bekenstein bound would seem to imply that such a modeling facility be larger than the universe it models, and therefore could not be contained within our universe. The resistance to reductionism of the model invokes the holographic paradigm. Do you have a method in mind which will enable decoupling certain subsets of interest (e.g. my brain) from the Universe as a whole?
If we are already living in a simulation such as the zero-worlds interpretation – one in which you can hypothesize negotiating with the “programmer” for information – then all bets are off:
http://youtu.be/dEaecUuEqfc
by Del Spooner
The last Men In Black movie should answer some of your questions.
by Troy
Modeling doesn’t require much CPU at all… Simply let each individual perceive whatever they wish and form consensus via human to human interaction. After all, doesn’t everyone already ‘see the UFO a different way’ than others already?
And scientists already think that our perceptions create our reality. In a matrix where you are allowed to perceive what you wish, that works and the CPU needed is each individual.
Funny thing is it also allows free will.
I love it.
by carl
My God man — Get a life!
by GFR
Leave him alone – it’s not his fault you can’t understand him…
by carl
That’s the problem. I do understand him!
by GFR
What?
by Clearhead
Your treatise is quite interesting, even though some of the comments you have made to Eldras seem to lend themselves to your own post. e.g. ” It reads a little like a cybernetician’s psychedelic rant. As I was reading it initially, I found myself questioning whether it blurs not the line between science and fiction, but science and psychosis.” At any rate, to return to the subject of physical science, I find it advisable to remind you of the scientifically mechanical progress being made in the development of some various parts of the ‘Roboy’: Work has been proceeding in order to bring to perfection the crudely conceived idea of a device which would not only supply inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detractors, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters Such a machine is the turbo encabulator.
The original device was constructed with a baseplate of prefabricated amulite surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing in such a manner that the two spurving bearings were in a direct line with the pentametric fan. The main winding was of the normal lotus-O-delta type, placed in panendermic semi-boloid slots in the stator, every seventh conductor being connected by a non-reversible tremie pipe to the differential girdlespring on the ‘up’ end of the grammeters.
41 manestically spaced grouting brushes were arranged in such a manner as to feed into the rotor slipstream a mixture of high S value phenylhydrobenzamine and 5% reminative tetraliodohexamine. Both of these liquids have specific pericosities given by P = 2.5C.n.6.27, where n is the diathetical evolute of retrograde temperature phase disposition and C is Cholmondeley’s annular grillage coefficient. Initially, n was measured with the aid of a metapolar refractive pilfrometer, but up to the present date nothing has been found to surpass or even approximate the accuracy of the transcendental hopper dadoscope.
Undoubtedly, the turbo-encabulator has now reached a very high level of technological development. It has been successfully used to operate nofer trunions.. In addition, whenever a barescent skor motion is required, it may be employed in conjunction with a drawn reciprocating dingle arm to reduce sinusoidal depleneration.
Semper Fi.
by eldras
Have I been waiting for godot!
Your issue is error in retrodiction across the quantum realm I think?
Prediction and retrodiction in quantum systems are demonstrably intensely accurate. Quantum systems are reversible.
One cant disregard what we can see and prove.
1. As we advance in technical skills and maths, we reconstruct the past better.
2. Coming computation is likely to be vaster than we anything we have known.
3. Sufficient computing power could well enable a complete reconstruction of all past human events cross-referencing things that have survived.
4. Things that have survived include the DNA record, the biological record, the archaeological record, the cosmic record, the geological record, the historical record, and other vast and growing data bases, some which already have trillions of variables.
You may think this new, but we’ve been bashing it on kurzweil forums since 2002.
by eldras
Hello gotot,
I know these arguments and I’ve dismissed them on several grounds.
1. we dont know enough about QT
2. The many worlds theory ejects a special role for the observer.
3. While a cosmic ray hitting a caveman may seem impossible to restrict in your analysis, it would leave many traces by the butterfly effect (or nil trace which would make it irrelevant)
by Glaw
raising the dead? sure hope they dont mind.. who wants to live forever in this hell hole anyway?
by eldras
Glaw
that is the Lazarus Long Delusion
https://sites.google.com/site/lazaruslongdelusion/
by charles
So we’re talking about Ray Kurzweil and Singularity? He’s right?
by Sid
My prediction is that these will come to pass, but in 30 years, not 3. I say this because the backlash against reason is ongoing and will take about 20 more years to bring the fundies and religious zealots back under control.
by Dude
3 to 5 years these days as knowlege is so accessable it will come from some garage college kids who get the right marketing
by Ronda
You can’t control us!
by David
I hope the robot turns out better than the music in the video.
by Chris
Music was great, don’t know what you’re talking about.