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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/breaking-the-million-core-supercomputer-barrier/comment-page-1#comment-97183</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 15:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jet engine noise is indeed a serious issue for workers who must be close by while they are running.  I used to stand &quot;fire watch&quot; on a jet engine test stand.  I wore ear plugs plus ear muffs (which I had stuffed with extra foam), and the noise was still unbelievable, almost intolerable.  Most people have never been exposed to anything nearly that loud and continuous, so it&#039;s hard to imagine. It hits like a physical force, like being pummeled.  Any research to decrease that exposure is worthwhile.  In addition, quiter machines tend to be more efficient--that noise is just lost energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jet engine noise is indeed a serious issue for workers who must be close by while they are running.  I used to stand &#8220;fire watch&#8221; on a jet engine test stand.  I wore ear plugs plus ear muffs (which I had stuffed with extra foam), and the noise was still unbelievable, almost intolerable.  Most people have never been exposed to anything nearly that loud and continuous, so it&#8217;s hard to imagine. It hits like a physical force, like being pummeled.  Any research to decrease that exposure is worthwhile.  In addition, quiter machines tend to be more efficient&#8211;that noise is just lost energy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 17:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with the first part, but not necessarily the second.
New job creation of the type discussed will continue only until machine intelligence surpasses human intelligence.
At that point
a) why would anyone (or any machine) employ humans to do a worse job than a better and/or cheaper machine could do
b) humans will not be smart enough to do most of the jobs anyway - this is already true of most humans wrt most current jobs by type, though not yet by number.

But, I am worried about human adaptability, as it will be much lower and slower than machine adaptability, unless we ourselves become the machines, i.e.integrate their advantages immediately those advantages appear. Otherwise, we will be left behind, and we all know what happens to species that don&#039;t adapt or adapt more slowly than other species. Lets not delude ourselves that we&#039;re not creating (one or more) new species here, albeit artificial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with the first part, but not necessarily the second.<br />
New job creation of the type discussed will continue only until machine intelligence surpasses human intelligence.<br />
At that point<br />
a) why would anyone (or any machine) employ humans to do a worse job than a better and/or cheaper machine could do<br />
b) humans will not be smart enough to do most of the jobs anyway &#8211; this is already true of most humans wrt most current jobs by type, though not yet by number.</p>
<p>But, I am worried about human adaptability, as it will be much lower and slower than machine adaptability, unless we ourselves become the machines, i.e.integrate their advantages immediately those advantages appear. Otherwise, we will be left behind, and we all know what happens to species that don&#8217;t adapt or adapt more slowly than other species. Lets not delude ourselves that we&#8217;re not creating (one or more) new species here, albeit artificial.</p>
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		<title>By: trakk</title>
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		<dc:creator>trakk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 15:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sooner or later the things people keep saying for years....will eventually come true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sooner or later the things people keep saying for years&#8230;.will eventually come true.</p>
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		<title>By: godot</title>
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		<dc:creator>godot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2013 11:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Touché and mea culpa!  You are absolutely correct, W1GJR; I cannot know the true intentions of anyone other than myself.  Brevity is often the enemy of clarity, and I was trying to be brief via instantiation.  From the entirety of his writings here, Bri appears to be an idealist with only the best of intentions for all mankind.  But I did not intend to make a statement based on assumption, nor did I intend to cast aspersions on the good name of one of the most powerful families in the world.  Please forgive me.

That said, with less brevity I will say that I have read news reports of a government grant, given to the EE department of a large midwestern university, to be used to construct a predictive model of the economy.  And I know of a number of startups based on using computer modeling as a tool in trading financial instruments.  Were I to guess that the intention of the founders was to make money, I would, again, only be speculating.  But I can say with certainty that the utility function with which the developers evaluated the efficacy of their models was, in all cases, based on making a profit.

My observation is that the &quot;scarcity model&quot; seems to be a deeply-entrenched component of the human condition which is reinforced by our being the result of billions of years of evolution based on the competition for resources.  From a mathematical standpoint, I do not believe that stochastic &#039;selection of the fittest&#039; based on competition is the only mechanism which generates successful evolution.  Said another way (with a nod to the great William Calvin), Calvin&#039;s &#039;Darwin machine&#039; may not be the only set of rules which will produce a progressively better fit to the environment.  In an important way, this can be the difference between proactively designing a selection mechanism, or passively allowing the existing accidental one to continue driving evolution.  (As Keith Henson of &quot;Great Mambo Chicken and the Transhuman Condition&quot; says, &quot;Nature evolved the bird; man designed the 747.&quot;)  Unfortunately, competitive selection mechanisms are the only examples we have inherited on this planet, so it will require true visionaries to imagine a better way.  (By this, I mean, in a Buddhist way, an evolutionary mechanism which generates as a side-effect greater aggregate joy and less aggregate pain.)  Perhaps the foible of embodying competitive selection can be corrected as humans are uploaded into the post-synchronicity world.

Are we up to the challenge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Touché and mea culpa!  You are absolutely correct, W1GJR; I cannot know the true intentions of anyone other than myself.  Brevity is often the enemy of clarity, and I was trying to be brief via instantiation.  From the entirety of his writings here, Bri appears to be an idealist with only the best of intentions for all mankind.  But I did not intend to make a statement based on assumption, nor did I intend to cast aspersions on the good name of one of the most powerful families in the world.  Please forgive me.</p>
<p>That said, with less brevity I will say that I have read news reports of a government grant, given to the EE department of a large midwestern university, to be used to construct a predictive model of the economy.  And I know of a number of startups based on using computer modeling as a tool in trading financial instruments.  Were I to guess that the intention of the founders was to make money, I would, again, only be speculating.  But I can say with certainty that the utility function with which the developers evaluated the efficacy of their models was, in all cases, based on making a profit.</p>
<p>My observation is that the &#8220;scarcity model&#8221; seems to be a deeply-entrenched component of the human condition which is reinforced by our being the result of billions of years of evolution based on the competition for resources.  From a mathematical standpoint, I do not believe that stochastic &#8216;selection of the fittest&#8217; based on competition is the only mechanism which generates successful evolution.  Said another way (with a nod to the great William Calvin), Calvin&#8217;s &#8216;Darwin machine&#8217; may not be the only set of rules which will produce a progressively better fit to the environment.  In an important way, this can be the difference between proactively designing a selection mechanism, or passively allowing the existing accidental one to continue driving evolution.  (As Keith Henson of &#8220;Great Mambo Chicken and the Transhuman Condition&#8221; says, &#8220;Nature evolved the bird; man designed the 747.&#8221;)  Unfortunately, competitive selection mechanisms are the only examples we have inherited on this planet, so it will require true visionaries to imagine a better way.  (By this, I mean, in a Buddhist way, an evolutionary mechanism which generates as a side-effect greater aggregate joy and less aggregate pain.)  Perhaps the foible of embodying competitive selection can be corrected as humans are uploaded into the post-synchronicity world.</p>
<p>Are we up to the challenge?</p>
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		<title>By: Knot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dan

The potentially worrying scenario is when robotics/AI becomes sufficiently advanced that robots do a better job at anything, including maintaining robots, programming, and regulating. Currently their functionality is still so limited that the new, complex needs that are created by their own existence create new jobs for us. This will probably not always be the case.

I&#039;m not too worried myself, though. If there is one thing humanity has shown to excel at, it&#039;s adapting to new circumstances - if unemployment and ubiquitous technology are in our future, we&#039;ll learn how to cope with it (though it may prove to be a somewhat bumpy ride).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan</p>
<p>The potentially worrying scenario is when robotics/AI becomes sufficiently advanced that robots do a better job at anything, including maintaining robots, programming, and regulating. Currently their functionality is still so limited that the new, complex needs that are created by their own existence create new jobs for us. This will probably not always be the case.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not too worried myself, though. If there is one thing humanity has shown to excel at, it&#8217;s adapting to new circumstances &#8211; if unemployment and ubiquitous technology are in our future, we&#8217;ll learn how to cope with it (though it may prove to be a somewhat bumpy ride).</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There won&#039;t necessarily be a lot of unemployment. People have been saying for years that robots/robotics are taking away jobs, but creating, maintaining and innovating new technologies seems to be creating new jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There won&#8217;t necessarily be a lot of unemployment. People have been saying for years that robots/robotics are taking away jobs, but creating, maintaining and innovating new technologies seems to be creating new jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: WLGJR</title>
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		<dc:creator>WLGJR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We at least know that there will certainly be alot of unemployment.
As for simulating the world economy in the 2030s and later, I don&#039;t think that will produce very accurate models because by then individual computers will become very close (in capacity) to the Sequoia itself, through exponential growth, and unexpectable changes in such a society in which individuals having access to supercomputers (and even themselves cyborgized with supercomputers) will happen very rapidly. 
We should keep in mind that unpredicability is a definition of &quot;Singularity&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We at least know that there will certainly be alot of unemployment.<br />
As for simulating the world economy in the 2030s and later, I don&#8217;t think that will produce very accurate models because by then individual computers will become very close (in capacity) to the Sequoia itself, through exponential growth, and unexpectable changes in such a society in which individuals having access to supercomputers (and even themselves cyborgized with supercomputers) will happen very rapidly.<br />
We should keep in mind that unpredicability is a definition of &#8220;Singularity&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: melajara</title>
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		<dc:creator>melajara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 22:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think so as after Watson I the Jeopardist, Watson II, the physician, I&#039;m envisionning Watson III, the lawyer/attorney/judge/constitutionalist and Watson IV THE POLITICIAN!

But for a chance for this agenda to actually happen, each Watson has to be (secretely) nurtured as politicians wouldn&#039;t allow to be made obsolete in less than 10 years from now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think so as after Watson I the Jeopardist, Watson II, the physician, I&#8217;m envisionning Watson III, the lawyer/attorney/judge/constitutionalist and Watson IV THE POLITICIAN!</p>
<p>But for a chance for this agenda to actually happen, each Watson has to be (secretely) nurtured as politicians wouldn&#8217;t allow to be made obsolete in less than 10 years from now!</p>
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		<title>By: WLGJR</title>
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		<dc:creator>WLGJR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Explain how is Bri&#039;s goal lofty and how is Rothschilds&#039; goal not lofty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Explain how is Bri&#8217;s goal lofty and how is Rothschilds&#8217; goal not lofty?</p>
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		<title>By: godot</title>
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		<dc:creator>godot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes you think they&#039;re not?  &quot;They&quot; just don&#039;t have the same lofty goals you do.  The Rothschilds were one of Cray&#039;s biggest investors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes you think they&#8217;re not?  &#8220;They&#8221; just don&#8217;t have the same lofty goals you do.  The Rothschilds were one of Cray&#8217;s biggest investors.</p>
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		<title>By: WLGJR</title>
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		<dc:creator>WLGJR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With accurate, computer aided simulation, they can formulate better agenda and propaganda and betterly decieve people. Any politicians with enough intelligence should know this and take advantage of this technology.
But on the down side, just like how drugs that are claimed to be working because they are tested in simulation (simulated human body) but do not work well (and sometimes even have fatal results) on real human bodies, I think we need to be careful with computer simulations (better understanding of physics and implement them into supercomputers, more proofreading and bug ironing-out are required).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With accurate, computer aided simulation, they can formulate better agenda and propaganda and betterly decieve people. Any politicians with enough intelligence should know this and take advantage of this technology.<br />
But on the down side, just like how drugs that are claimed to be working because they are tested in simulation (simulated human body) but do not work well (and sometimes even have fatal results) on real human bodies, I think we need to be careful with computer simulations (better understanding of physics and implement them into supercomputers, more proofreading and bug ironing-out are required).</p>
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		<title>By: Gabor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think politicians are particularly interested as they mainly rely on misinformation to sell their agenda.  Maybe we should send a copy of Watson to Congress and the WH?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think politicians are particularly interested as they mainly rely on misinformation to sell their agenda.  Maybe we should send a copy of Watson to Congress and the WH?!?</p>
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		<title>By: GAUSS</title>
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		<dc:creator>GAUSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.  As of yet, nobody has any good/realistic/exhaustive models of how robotics will truly affect the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.  As of yet, nobody has any good/realistic/exhaustive models of how robotics will truly affect the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: tim the realist</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim the realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, why not?  Sim earth on steroids.  Let me know when your code is ready and i&#039;ll run it for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, why not?  Sim earth on steroids.  Let me know when your code is ready and i&#8217;ll run it for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Bri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 16:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they should use computers of this type to model economic activity. Even if it&#039;s a simulation instead of an acurate reproduction of the world economy, we would be able to anticipate what the effects of say robotics would have on jobs and manufacturing. The simulations would take a lot of the guess work out of economic policy. In the same way that we use weather forecasts it would helped all the conjecture as to what might happen given a set of altered variables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they should use computers of this type to model economic activity. Even if it&#8217;s a simulation instead of an acurate reproduction of the world economy, we would be able to anticipate what the effects of say robotics would have on jobs and manufacturing. The simulations would take a lot of the guess work out of economic policy. In the same way that we use weather forecasts it would helped all the conjecture as to what might happen given a set of altered variables.</p>
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