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		<title>By: Oxygen Plants Manufacturers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oxygen Plants Manufacturers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 06:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi,<br />
this blog is very useful for us<br />
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oxygenplant6</p>
<p><a> Oxygen plants manufacturers</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr.X</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-64532</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 21:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gorden and Christian: Be humane and stop this-

US military facing fresh questions over targeting of children in Afghanistan

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/07/us-military-targeting-strategy-afghanistan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gorden and Christian: Be humane and stop this-</p>
<p>US military facing fresh questions over targeting of children in Afghanistan</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/07/us-military-targeting-strategy-afghanistan" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/07/us-military-targeting-strategy-afghanistan</a></p>
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		<title>By: Christian Gehman</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-64297</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Gehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We have traversed&quot; ... this is old news, but thanks for reminding us that the best of the Indians came from China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have traversed&#8221; &#8230; this is old news, but thanks for reminding us that the best of the Indians came from China.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Gehman</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-64295</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Gehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well duh, of course &quot;these robots will still have to pay the Unemployment Insurance and Social Security taxes of all the people they put out of work&quot; ... or did you somehow imagine that &quot;prosperity&quot; is only for the machines in your warped view of the future ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well duh, of course &#8220;these robots will still have to pay the Unemployment Insurance and Social Security taxes of all the people they put out of work&#8221; &#8230; or did you somehow imagine that &#8220;prosperity&#8221; is only for the machines in your warped view of the future &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Gehman</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-64294</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Gehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they would have saved Anne Frank too&quot; - thank you for pointing out that there are some humane souls in America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they would have saved Anne Frank too&#8221; &#8211; thank you for pointing out that there are some humane souls in America.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Gehman</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-64290</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Gehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe China can use this system to feed its hungry masses here on earth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe China can use this system to feed its hungry masses here on earth?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.X</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-64083</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The migrants do keep their cultures even as they assimilate.&quot;

Well, in my book assimilation is defined different.

Anyway, believe it or not, you&#039;re not the only multicultural society.

For example, during school, I was part of the native minority.

And believe it or not, we even greeted us each morning!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The migrants do keep their cultures even as they assimilate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, in my book assimilation is defined different.</p>
<p>Anyway, believe it or not, you&#8217;re not the only multicultural society.</p>
<p>For example, during school, I was part of the native minority.</p>
<p>And believe it or not, we even greeted us each morning!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.X</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-64080</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well.Now you come with nazi stuff?Thanks, a typical reaction^^

You have to do it again and again, until even the last idiot doesn&#039;t even care anymore.Coming from you country, it is a joke anyway (as most of my compatriots know)^^

Why don&#039;t you save Mr.Manning, or the people in Guantanamo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well.Now you come with nazi stuff?Thanks, a typical reaction^^</p>
<p>You have to do it again and again, until even the last idiot doesn&#8217;t even care anymore.Coming from you country, it is a joke anyway (as most of my compatriots know)^^</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you save Mr.Manning, or the people in Guantanamo?</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 02:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The migrants do keep their cultures even as they assimilate.  Seven houses down the hill from me are some Viet Namese who are ethnic Chinese.  On Chinese New Year they burn incense at the end of their sidewalk.  When I walk by with the dogs I hear them playing their music from the old country.  When they drive by in their new BMW, we wave to each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The migrants do keep their cultures even as they assimilate.  Seven houses down the hill from me are some Viet Namese who are ethnic Chinese.  On Chinese New Year they burn incense at the end of their sidewalk.  When I walk by with the dogs I hear them playing their music from the old country.  When they drive by in their new BMW, we wave to each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-63827</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 02:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those border patrolling militias are a bunch of hateful inbred rednecks and don&#039;t represent the majority of the people here.

There are church groups who go out and place water for the migrants to find.  Others take these people in and hide them.  If they could have been there in time, they would have saved Anne Frank too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those border patrolling militias are a bunch of hateful inbred rednecks and don&#8217;t represent the majority of the people here.</p>
<p>There are church groups who go out and place water for the migrants to find.  Others take these people in and hide them.  If they could have been there in time, they would have saved Anne Frank too.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-63693</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 22:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, CyberSpaceGod, my research told me that you need to add 10 to 15 pounds of nitrogen fertilizer to moon dirt just to plant cowpeas.  I also found out that there was an old process that uses high temperature and pressure to make nitrogen fertilizer out of atmospheric nitrogen.  It&#039;s not used anymore because it is easier and cheaper to use natural gas.

When your robots print out panels and supports from the regolith and roof over a crater, you will have a lot of acreage in your pressure dome.  Then you need to heat up a lot of moon dirt with a big parabolic mirror to cook off the nitrogen so that later your legumes and bacteria can &#039;fix&#039; it.  All those nutrients will have to be put together on the moon from the minerals of the rocks.

Sure, you could practice hydroponics in caverns at the south pole of the moon, but you will have to run in power for the grow-lights over cables stretching out to sunnier latitudes, or towering heliostats on the rims of the craters where all the ice is.  It will be a while before you can have a nuclear power plant big enough to grow crops.  There is uranium on the moon, but refining it takes a large plant.  When you have enough robots, you can build the plant.

Now when a printer can print out a copy of itself, along with the solar cells to operate it, in 12 hours, and then can print out a robot that can assemble copiers and robots,  with it&#039;s own solar cells, in another 12 hours, then, starting with one robot and copier and solar array, in 30 sunny days you can have over a billion robots and copiers with their own solar arrays.  Just check it out with your own calculator.  Just enter &quot;one times two&quot; and then hit the &quot;equals&quot; button 30 times.

The number you get is one billion, seventy-three million, seven-hundred forty-one thousand, and eight hundred twenty-four.

But on the moon, you&#039;ll be into your third month before you get 30 sunny days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, CyberSpaceGod, my research told me that you need to add 10 to 15 pounds of nitrogen fertilizer to moon dirt just to plant cowpeas.  I also found out that there was an old process that uses high temperature and pressure to make nitrogen fertilizer out of atmospheric nitrogen.  It&#8217;s not used anymore because it is easier and cheaper to use natural gas.</p>
<p>When your robots print out panels and supports from the regolith and roof over a crater, you will have a lot of acreage in your pressure dome.  Then you need to heat up a lot of moon dirt with a big parabolic mirror to cook off the nitrogen so that later your legumes and bacteria can &#8216;fix&#8217; it.  All those nutrients will have to be put together on the moon from the minerals of the rocks.</p>
<p>Sure, you could practice hydroponics in caverns at the south pole of the moon, but you will have to run in power for the grow-lights over cables stretching out to sunnier latitudes, or towering heliostats on the rims of the craters where all the ice is.  It will be a while before you can have a nuclear power plant big enough to grow crops.  There is uranium on the moon, but refining it takes a large plant.  When you have enough robots, you can build the plant.</p>
<p>Now when a printer can print out a copy of itself, along with the solar cells to operate it, in 12 hours, and then can print out a robot that can assemble copiers and robots,  with it&#8217;s own solar cells, in another 12 hours, then, starting with one robot and copier and solar array, in 30 sunny days you can have over a billion robots and copiers with their own solar arrays.  Just check it out with your own calculator.  Just enter &#8220;one times two&#8221; and then hit the &#8220;equals&#8221; button 30 times.</p>
<p>The number you get is one billion, seventy-three million, seven-hundred forty-one thousand, and eight hundred twenty-four.</p>
<p>But on the moon, you&#8217;ll be into your third month before you get 30 sunny days.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-63681</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 21:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, Glen.  That was such a good article I copied it over to Word and saved it to disk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Glen.  That was such a good article I copied it over to Word and saved it to disk.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.X</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-63666</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 21:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Wait a minute, Mr. X., now it is you who haven’t studied the history. Cortez conquered the Aztecs. His offspring are now all very rich.&quot;

Wasn&#039;t it always me?

I thought the Mexicans are mostly a mixture of Spanish and native people.If this were true, metaphorical Cortez would be enough to stand for the intruders?

Of course, if only minority people cross the borders, or as I just looked up, many people from Latin America, I may stand corrected and thank you for teaching me.  

Concerning the Dream Act: Well, I only recall having heard about borderland militia that patrols said border and sends would-be emmigrants into the deep, dreamless sleep.

I hope machines will shoulder these back breaking bourdens from them.Maybe their college educated kids will own these machines.Maybe the machines will own them!?^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wait a minute, Mr. X., now it is you who haven’t studied the history. Cortez conquered the Aztecs. His offspring are now all very rich.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t it always me?</p>
<p>I thought the Mexicans are mostly a mixture of Spanish and native people.If this were true, metaphorical Cortez would be enough to stand for the intruders?</p>
<p>Of course, if only minority people cross the borders, or as I just looked up, many people from Latin America, I may stand corrected and thank you for teaching me.  </p>
<p>Concerning the Dream Act: Well, I only recall having heard about borderland militia that patrols said border and sends would-be emmigrants into the deep, dreamless sleep.</p>
<p>I hope machines will shoulder these back breaking bourdens from them.Maybe their college educated kids will own these machines.Maybe the machines will own them!?^^</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.X</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-63658</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Haven’t you noticed, Mr. X., all of us here are still mad at McDonald’s for their assault on the Canadian Cyborg in Paris.&quot;

I mostly saw surpremacist remarks against the French.But then again, I see what I want to see.Forgive a lackwit like me for forgetting this outrageous incident.

But I must admit, your ideas for food creation are, well, creative.
I heard the Whoppers come with numbers.Some of them are so big, they&#039;re called double.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Haven’t you noticed, Mr. X., all of us here are still mad at McDonald’s for their assault on the Canadian Cyborg in Paris.&#8221;</p>
<p>I mostly saw surpremacist remarks against the French.But then again, I see what I want to see.Forgive a lackwit like me for forgetting this outrageous incident.</p>
<p>But I must admit, your ideas for food creation are, well, creative.<br />
I heard the Whoppers come with numbers.Some of them are so big, they&#8217;re called double.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.X</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-63655</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You answered in several posts?If I were Mr.Holmes, I&#039;d deduce some meaning from this.

I won&#039;t bore us with articles about Chinese people repatriating, and neither will I dispute the merits of your food (how to dispute something that doesn&#039;t exist?). 

 I ask you, since you adressed this directly: Where is the point in claiming Americans are creative, if the person saying so, an All-american native product, is in fact not creative?If almost all these All-American products are not creative?

If all these people come to your country, and within a generation their offspring becomes uncreative but American, what&#039;s the meaning in all this?Is it the weather or the cuisine?Is it the culture?Or, yes, it must be the water! 

You know that you basically said: The best people in China and India can&#039;t be patriots.

For a patriot would never turn his back on his country.

I believe, you will get some talent, some will go home, some will stay home, and there is no such thing as indigious American creativity.

I believe pretty soon, at least in China, the best people will be those that stay at home.

Ps: How do they become American?Do they drop their culture, childhood memories, language, etc and become just like you creative guys?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You answered in several posts?If I were Mr.Holmes, I&#8217;d deduce some meaning from this.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t bore us with articles about Chinese people repatriating, and neither will I dispute the merits of your food (how to dispute something that doesn&#8217;t exist?). </p>
<p> I ask you, since you adressed this directly: Where is the point in claiming Americans are creative, if the person saying so, an All-american native product, is in fact not creative?If almost all these All-American products are not creative?</p>
<p>If all these people come to your country, and within a generation their offspring becomes uncreative but American, what&#8217;s the meaning in all this?Is it the weather or the cuisine?Is it the culture?Or, yes, it must be the water! </p>
<p>You know that you basically said: The best people in China and India can&#8217;t be patriots.</p>
<p>For a patriot would never turn his back on his country.</p>
<p>I believe, you will get some talent, some will go home, some will stay home, and there is no such thing as indigious American creativity.</p>
<p>I believe pretty soon, at least in China, the best people will be those that stay at home.</p>
<p>Ps: How do they become American?Do they drop their culture, childhood memories, language, etc and become just like you creative guys?</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Maybe you’ll change into the estados unidos de america and the offspring of Cortez will reintroduce some daring into your culture.&quot;

Wait a minute, Mr. X., now it is you who haven&#039;t studied the history.  Cortez conquered the Aztecs.  His offspring are now all very rich.  It&#039;s the offspring of the survivors of the Aztecs and Mayans, and Yaquis and many more who are adventurous enough to make the hazardous border crossing to take back-breaking jobs that the native born Americans won&#039;t  take.

Have you heard about the Dream Act?  There are a lot of us here who want to see the offspring of those who braved the desert to go to college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe you’ll change into the estados unidos de america and the offspring of Cortez will reintroduce some daring into your culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wait a minute, Mr. X., now it is you who haven&#8217;t studied the history.  Cortez conquered the Aztecs.  His offspring are now all very rich.  It&#8217;s the offspring of the survivors of the Aztecs and Mayans, and Yaquis and many more who are adventurous enough to make the hazardous border crossing to take back-breaking jobs that the native born Americans won&#8217;t  take.</p>
<p>Have you heard about the Dream Act?  There are a lot of us here who want to see the offspring of those who braved the desert to go to college.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...you can go and start a Moon-Mcdonalds, to spread the fame of your renowned culture.&quot;

Haven&#039;t you noticed, Mr. X., all of us here are still mad at McDonald&#039;s for their assault on the Canadian Cyborg in Paris.  It won&#039;t be Mikkie Dee&#039;s on the moon, it will be Kentucky Fried Chicken.  (And once we get the artificial wombs to gestate frozen embryos, then there will be Burger King and P.F. Chang&#039;s.)  Then again, we could take duck-billed wombat eggs to the moon.  If they thrive there, they could be ground up into Whoppers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;you can go and start a Moon-Mcdonalds, to spread the fame of your renowned culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t you noticed, Mr. X., all of us here are still mad at McDonald&#8217;s for their assault on the Canadian Cyborg in Paris.  It won&#8217;t be Mikkie Dee&#8217;s on the moon, it will be Kentucky Fried Chicken.  (And once we get the artificial wombs to gestate frozen embryos, then there will be Burger King and P.F. Chang&#8217;s.)  Then again, we could take duck-billed wombat eggs to the moon.  If they thrive there, they could be ground up into Whoppers.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How many of those working for American companies, innovating, are really American in the way most of you are?&quot;

Okay, you win, Mr.X.  All the best people China and India can produce are coming here to work for IBM...and IBM prefers it that way...and they will all become Americans.  (The air, food, and water are all better here, so they won&#039;t go back to the old country (except to visit the old folks)).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How many of those working for American companies, innovating, are really American in the way most of you are?&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, you win, Mr.X.  All the best people China and India can produce are coming here to work for IBM&#8230;and IBM prefers it that way&#8230;and they will all become Americans.  (The air, food, and water are all better here, so they won&#8217;t go back to the old country (except to visit the old folks)).</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops!  I clicked on the wrong &quot;reply&quot; link.  This should be posted down below where Mr. X. says, &quot;I bet some of them Chinese went back.Or were killed by racists.&quot; and,  &quot;...cheating others by printing evermore green toilet paper...&quot; 

Really Mr.X, a Chinaman hasn&#039;t been lynched since Deadwood burned down.

But all joking aside, today all of our best students are the kids of Asian ancestry.  

And look, Mr. X., at all the papers coming from our universities.  All the best research is published with Chinese and Indian authors.  People are still voting with their feet to come to America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops!  I clicked on the wrong &#8220;reply&#8221; link.  This should be posted down below where Mr. X. says, &#8220;I bet some of them Chinese went back.Or were killed by racists.&#8221; and,  &#8220;&#8230;cheating others by printing evermore green toilet paper&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>Really Mr.X, a Chinaman hasn&#8217;t been lynched since Deadwood burned down.</p>
<p>But all joking aside, today all of our best students are the kids of Asian ancestry.  </p>
<p>And look, Mr. X., at all the papers coming from our universities.  All the best research is published with Chinese and Indian authors.  People are still voting with their feet to come to America.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-63632</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 20:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aww, c&#039;mon, Mr. X.  We have a lot of happy people here whose great-grandparents crossed the oceans to work on the railroads.

Also, once we start sending back neodymium for wind turbines, and start building rocket shuttles on the moon, all the manufactured goods made by moon robots will make our money worth more than ever.  But these robots will still have to pay the Unemployment Insurance and Social Security taxes of all the people they put out of work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aww, c&#8217;mon, Mr. X.  We have a lot of happy people here whose great-grandparents crossed the oceans to work on the railroads.</p>
<p>Also, once we start sending back neodymium for wind turbines, and start building rocket shuttles on the moon, all the manufactured goods made by moon robots will make our money worth more than ever.  But these robots will still have to pay the Unemployment Insurance and Social Security taxes of all the people they put out of work.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.X</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-63595</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tedc: The USA doesn&#039;t want to share its know-how with China (in this field).Which is somewhat understandable.I once read in a newspaper article that we (Europeans) could not work together with them at some projects, because US-government treatened to withdraw their financial contribution. 

Standing at the entrance door and wielding his staff, old uncle Sam -like Gandal before him- exclaimed: They shall not pass! 

And the yellow flood ebbed away,  dividing the ocean once again into two halves, like moses did in the days of old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tedc: The USA doesn&#8217;t want to share its know-how with China (in this field).Which is somewhat understandable.I once read in a newspaper article that we (Europeans) could not work together with them at some projects, because US-government treatened to withdraw their financial contribution. </p>
<p>Standing at the entrance door and wielding his staff, old uncle Sam -like Gandal before him- exclaimed: They shall not pass! </p>
<p>And the yellow flood ebbed away,  dividing the ocean once again into two halves, like moses did in the days of old.</p>
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		<title>By: glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/1386655/Explorer-from-China-who-beat-Columbus-to-America.html

&quot;We have traversed more than 100,000 li of immense water spaces and have beheld in the ocean huge waves like mountains rising in the sky, and we have set eyes on barbarian regions far away hidden in a blue transparency of light vapors, while our sails, loftily unfurled like clouds day and night, continued their course [as rapidly] as a star, traversing those savage waves as if we were treading a public thoroughfare.&quot;
Zheng He</description>
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<p>&#8220;We have traversed more than 100,000 li of immense water spaces and have beheld in the ocean huge waves like mountains rising in the sky, and we have set eyes on barbarian regions far away hidden in a blue transparency of light vapors, while our sails, loftily unfurled like clouds day and night, continued their course [as rapidly] as a star, traversing those savage waves as if we were treading a public thoroughfare.&#8221;<br />
Zheng He</p>
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		<title>By: Arctic Poppy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arctic Poppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hear it for provocation!  Mr. X.   Also, since the Biosphere was one of my favorite childhood experiments, I&#039;m delighted with this renewal of the attempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hear it for provocation!  Mr. X.   Also, since the Biosphere was one of my favorite childhood experiments, I&#8217;m delighted with this renewal of the attempt.</p>
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		<title>By: Tedc</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-63568</link>
		<dc:creator>Tedc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they should be talking to the people who lived in Biosphere 2 for two years. They spent years and a fortune learning the ins and outs of living in a sustainable closed system. Even though the ultimate business model failed, they learned a great deal and have a wealth of knowledge. Additionally, they didn&#039;t quit learning after that experiment. They have continued their biosphere research even today. It amazes me how people work in a vacuum creating redundant research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they should be talking to the people who lived in Biosphere 2 for two years. They spent years and a fortune learning the ins and outs of living in a sustainable closed system. Even though the ultimate business model failed, they learned a great deal and have a wealth of knowledge. Additionally, they didn&#8217;t quit learning after that experiment. They have continued their biosphere research even today. It amazes me how people work in a vacuum creating redundant research.</p>
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		<title>By: GAUSS</title>
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		<dc:creator>GAUSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 17:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d imagine they&#039;d keep backup stores.</description>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chinese have a big advantage when it comes to space flight -- they&#039;re used to being upside down.</description>
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		<title>By: CyberSpaceGod</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-63530</link>
		<dc:creator>CyberSpaceGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably You didn&#039;t research enough =x, since the LRO/LCROSS send these results about tha moon!! =P :
 
N 6.6000% &lt;-(that&#039;s approximately the value of Nitrogen i try to have in the soil of my crops to keep everything healthy, also You don&#039;t need soil, just water to plant almost anything, ever heard of hydroponics or aeroponics, vertical gardens? No soil needed.. 
And N deficiency it&#039;s usually a soil related problem that i don&#039;t find in the Moon, unless You overdose vegetables/plants with K (Potassium) through the water, since excess of K leads to N deficiency, in most of the cases leading plants to stop natural growth, turning leafs yellowish and to fall earlier..)
CO 5.7000%
H2O 5.5000%
Ca 1.6000%
H2S 0.9213%
NH3 0.3317%
Cl 0.2000%
SO2 0.1755%
C2H4 0.1716%
CO2 0.1194%
C 0.0900%
Ch3OH 0.0853%
S 0.0600%
B 0.0400%
P 0.0400%
CH4 0.0366%
O 0.0200%
OH 0.0017%

On the contrary if one wants to care about plant fertility on moon soil, P (Phosphorus) comes into mind since plants on the vegetation period need as much P as they take N, K in the flowering period, changing after that (varies from specie to specie but not much)..

Anyway, thanks for questioning the levels of N, I wouldn&#039;t have noticed the P levels on the moon other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably You didn&#8217;t research enough =x, since the LRO/LCROSS send these results about tha moon!! =P :</p>
<p>N 6.6000% &lt;-(that&#039;s approximately the value of Nitrogen i try to have in the soil of my crops to keep everything healthy, also You don&#039;t need soil, just water to plant almost anything, ever heard of hydroponics or aeroponics, vertical gardens? No soil needed..<br />
And N deficiency it&#039;s usually a soil related problem that i don&#039;t find in the Moon, unless You overdose vegetables/plants with K (Potassium) through the water, since excess of K leads to N deficiency, in most of the cases leading plants to stop natural growth, turning leafs yellowish and to fall earlier..)<br />
CO 5.7000%<br />
H2O 5.5000%<br />
Ca 1.6000%<br />
H2S 0.9213%<br />
NH3 0.3317%<br />
Cl 0.2000%<br />
SO2 0.1755%<br />
C2H4 0.1716%<br />
CO2 0.1194%<br />
C 0.0900%<br />
Ch3OH 0.0853%<br />
S 0.0600%<br />
B 0.0400%<br />
P 0.0400%<br />
CH4 0.0366%<br />
O 0.0200%<br />
OH 0.0017%</p>
<p>On the contrary if one wants to care about plant fertility on moon soil, P (Phosphorus) comes into mind since plants on the vegetation period need as much P as they take N, K in the flowering period, changing after that (varies from specie to specie but not much)..</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for questioning the levels of N, I wouldn&#039;t have noticed the P levels on the moon other way.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.X</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-63519</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 16:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And sometimes Americans ask why they are disliked around the world (BBC publishes yearly surveys, if you don&#039;t believe this)^^

Well, blessed are those who are poor in mind.You people are richly blessed, beyond measure I may say.Of course not all, the first generation emmigrants will have to do without this numious endowment.

And if you really think your culture is is so mightily adventurous, you should think about this:USA: Emmigration.Frontier culture.Frontier conquered.What does this mean?

China old.China already made habitable their lands.People lost frontier aspect of their culture.

Therefore: You will lose that aspect too.I would say: You already have.

Americans never struck me as bold, outgoing or adventurous, only loud, superficial and heaping circular praise on themselves.At least, they believe in themselves, when no one else does:).

Creative is another joke: Thinking up stories where learned men already resolved the issues, and in better ways.

How many of those working for American companies, innovating, are really American in the way most of you are?

Well, often they are passive agressives, sometimes they dare act with the courage of beer.

Once the Home of the brave, now at best their grave.

Maybe you&#039;ll change into the estados unidos de america and the offspring of Cortez will reintroduce some daring into your culture.
Or siestas.Only time will tell.

Anyway: You should start to work and pay back your debt first, instead of cheating others by printing evermore green toilet paper and causing crisises, be they financial or political.If you can do that, and it is possible, you can go and start a Moon-Mcdonalds, to spread the fame of your renowned culture.

Ps: I bet some of them Chinese went back.Or were killed by racists.

In love and with best regards: 
Mr.X

PPs: Being provocative is my way of getting free grammar lessons, or at least corrections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And sometimes Americans ask why they are disliked around the world (BBC publishes yearly surveys, if you don&#8217;t believe this)^^</p>
<p>Well, blessed are those who are poor in mind.You people are richly blessed, beyond measure I may say.Of course not all, the first generation emmigrants will have to do without this numious endowment.</p>
<p>And if you really think your culture is is so mightily adventurous, you should think about this:USA: Emmigration.Frontier culture.Frontier conquered.What does this mean?</p>
<p>China old.China already made habitable their lands.People lost frontier aspect of their culture.</p>
<p>Therefore: You will lose that aspect too.I would say: You already have.</p>
<p>Americans never struck me as bold, outgoing or adventurous, only loud, superficial and heaping circular praise on themselves.At least, they believe in themselves, when no one else does:).</p>
<p>Creative is another joke: Thinking up stories where learned men already resolved the issues, and in better ways.</p>
<p>How many of those working for American companies, innovating, are really American in the way most of you are?</p>
<p>Well, often they are passive agressives, sometimes they dare act with the courage of beer.</p>
<p>Once the Home of the brave, now at best their grave.</p>
<p>Maybe you&#8217;ll change into the estados unidos de america and the offspring of Cortez will reintroduce some daring into your culture.<br />
Or siestas.Only time will tell.</p>
<p>Anyway: You should start to work and pay back your debt first, instead of cheating others by printing evermore green toilet paper and causing crisises, be they financial or political.If you can do that, and it is possible, you can go and start a Moon-Mcdonalds, to spread the fame of your renowned culture.</p>
<p>Ps: I bet some of them Chinese went back.Or were killed by racists.</p>
<p>In love and with best regards:<br />
Mr.X</p>
<p>PPs: Being provocative is my way of getting free grammar lessons, or at least corrections.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-63489</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute, Atreju, I just remembered something...a lot of Chinese peasants were adventurous enough to come to California and start building the Transcontinental Railroad.  A lot of their descendants will have the nerve to go to the moon and beyond.

Of course, the builders of the railroad are all now Americans.

That&#039;s it!  That&#039;s what we need to inspire us to a new space race.  We must get our bak choy farmers on the moon before the Beijing regime does!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute, Atreju, I just remembered something&#8230;a lot of Chinese peasants were adventurous enough to come to California and start building the Transcontinental Railroad.  A lot of their descendants will have the nerve to go to the moon and beyond.</p>
<p>Of course, the builders of the railroad are all now Americans.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s it!  That&#8217;s what we need to inspire us to a new space race.  We must get our bak choy farmers on the moon before the Beijing regime does!</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-63486</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chinese children are taught in school to revere the memory of Mao&#039;s long march.  Now, as adults, the idea of bright red robots with a golden star on their breastplates marching on the south pole of the moon will delight them.  The modern Chinese have a lot of foresight.  They won&#039;t back off from exploration like that ancient emperor, Atreju.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chinese children are taught in school to revere the memory of Mao&#8217;s long march.  Now, as adults, the idea of bright red robots with a golden star on their breastplates marching on the south pole of the moon will delight them.  The modern Chinese have a lot of foresight.  They won&#8217;t back off from exploration like that ancient emperor, Atreju.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/chinese-astronauts-may-grow-vegetables-on-the-moon/comment-page-1#comment-63484</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Four kinds of vegetables were grown, taking in carbon dioxide and providing oxygen for the two people living in the cabin. They could also harvest fresh vegetables for meals, Deng said.&quot;

Somebody has to remind Deng that the day on the moon is 14 Earth-days long, and then the night is another 14 Earth-days long.  Grow-lights are going to be needed, along with a nuclear generator to power them.

But if robots build the base, they can build more robots to march on down to the south pole and bring back some ice.  Then, during the day, they can use solar power cells to run an electric current through water and split it into hydrogen and oxygen.  This will power generators to keep the lights on during the long lunar night.

With enough robots, you can even make the generators on the moon.  There have been enough hits on the moon by nickel-iron asteroids to provide metals for wires and magnets.  (Not to mention the rare-earth metals already known to be on the surface of the moon.  One of the rare-earth metals is neodymium, which makes great super-magnets for generators.)  Robots could do all the mining and manufacturing, setting up a turn-key operation ready and waiting before the first AstroPeasant ever suits up and climbs a gantry up to board a capsule.  (Thanks Marcos, I&#039;m going to have to put a trademark on the word before the Chinese think to.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Four kinds of vegetables were grown, taking in carbon dioxide and providing oxygen for the two people living in the cabin. They could also harvest fresh vegetables for meals, Deng said.&#8221;</p>
<p>Somebody has to remind Deng that the day on the moon is 14 Earth-days long, and then the night is another 14 Earth-days long.  Grow-lights are going to be needed, along with a nuclear generator to power them.</p>
<p>But if robots build the base, they can build more robots to march on down to the south pole and bring back some ice.  Then, during the day, they can use solar power cells to run an electric current through water and split it into hydrogen and oxygen.  This will power generators to keep the lights on during the long lunar night.</p>
<p>With enough robots, you can even make the generators on the moon.  There have been enough hits on the moon by nickel-iron asteroids to provide metals for wires and magnets.  (Not to mention the rare-earth metals already known to be on the surface of the moon.  One of the rare-earth metals is neodymium, which makes great super-magnets for generators.)  Robots could do all the mining and manufacturing, setting up a turn-key operation ready and waiting before the first AstroPeasant ever suits up and climbs a gantry up to board a capsule.  (Thanks Marcos, I&#8217;m going to have to put a trademark on the word before the Chinese think to.)</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yibing said the experiment focused on a dynamic balanced mechanism of oxygen, carbon dioxide, and water between people and plants in a closed system.&quot;

Yibing forgot about the nitrogen.  There isn&#039;t enough in the regolith so that you can just stick a seed in the regolith and water it.  You have to process a lot of moon dirt to get the small amounts of nitrogen blasted into the surface of the moon by the solar wind.  Then you have to dig deep to get the carbon from carbonaceous asteroid impacts.  Yes, NASA has found microscopic amounts of carbon in the regolith near some craters.

They really need to do the research in putting robots on the moon to build a base and then go prospecting for the elements needed to turn regolith into fertile soil.  

Then the robots can plant the crops, and after planting legumes to fix nitrogen (they mustn&#039;t forget the bacteria that are needed for the root nodes) then they can plant chicken feed.  Then they can launch eggs up to the robots to stock their chicken coops.  It&#039;s going to be much harder to send up piglets and calves and lambs.  The poor little animals will be terrified by the g-forces of the launch and the following zero-g.  They will be pissing and shitting all over the capsule.  I wouldn&#039;t want to be the peasant farmer riding along with them.

I certainly hope NASA will develop artificial wombs so that you can boost up frozen embryos instead of live animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yibing said the experiment focused on a dynamic balanced mechanism of oxygen, carbon dioxide, and water between people and plants in a closed system.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yibing forgot about the nitrogen.  There isn&#8217;t enough in the regolith so that you can just stick a seed in the regolith and water it.  You have to process a lot of moon dirt to get the small amounts of nitrogen blasted into the surface of the moon by the solar wind.  Then you have to dig deep to get the carbon from carbonaceous asteroid impacts.  Yes, NASA has found microscopic amounts of carbon in the regolith near some craters.</p>
<p>They really need to do the research in putting robots on the moon to build a base and then go prospecting for the elements needed to turn regolith into fertile soil.  </p>
<p>Then the robots can plant the crops, and after planting legumes to fix nitrogen (they mustn&#8217;t forget the bacteria that are needed for the root nodes) then they can plant chicken feed.  Then they can launch eggs up to the robots to stock their chicken coops.  It&#8217;s going to be much harder to send up piglets and calves and lambs.  The poor little animals will be terrified by the g-forces of the launch and the following zero-g.  They will be pissing and shitting all over the capsule.  I wouldn&#8217;t want to be the peasant farmer riding along with them.</p>
<p>I certainly hope NASA will develop artificial wombs so that you can boost up frozen embryos instead of live animals.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.X</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 15:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Atreju: At least they have something that everyone would agree to call culture.

As for your claims, maybe you should go and take some history class, if you want to know whether your opinion is more than just prejudice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Atreju: At least they have something that everyone would agree to call culture.</p>
<p>As for your claims, maybe you should go and take some history class, if you want to know whether your opinion is more than just prejudice.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 14:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creating a closed system on Earth where if something goes wrong, you get out, is a little different than doing it on a lifeless mass.  One crop failure and you&#039;re dead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creating a closed system on Earth where if something goes wrong, you get out, is a little different than doing it on a lifeless mass.  One crop failure and you&#8217;re dead!</p>
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		<title>By: Marcos Marin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcos Marin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 14:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mommy! I know what I want to be when I grow up! An AstroPeasant!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mommy! I know what I want to be when I grow up! An AstroPeasant!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Atreju</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atreju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 14:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders whether Chinese space exploration will have profound ramifications for humanity or simply be a small footnote in history like the voyages of Zheng He. As a culture China has a poor record for bold adventure. Only time will tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders whether Chinese space exploration will have profound ramifications for humanity or simply be a small footnote in history like the voyages of Zheng He. As a culture China has a poor record for bold adventure. Only time will tell.</p>
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