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	<title>Comments on: Coffee drinkers have lower risk of death: NIH study</title>
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		<title>By: Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/coffee-drinkers-have-lower-risk-of-death-nih-study/comment-page-1#comment-15829</link>
		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 00:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mlohbihler: good points. I think we need to put the &quot;not to confuse correlation with causation&quot; warning on medical-related research posts. This is also another example of why we need personalized medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mlohbihler: good points. I think we need to put the &#8220;not to confuse correlation with causation&#8221; warning on medical-related research posts. This is also another example of why we need personalized medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: mlohbihler</title>
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		<dc:creator>mlohbihler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 23:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a fan of coffee (black, no sugar), i hate to rain on this parade, but the study doesn&#039;t actually say that coffee is good for you. Other similar studies were also careful not to confuse correlation with causation. An obvious reason for this study&#039;s results is what the coffee drinkers are *not* otherwise drinking. Typical substitutes are pop (soda), fruit juice, iced tea, and any number of other sugar-laden beverages, which are known to cause many life-shortening health issues when consumed in excess. Coffee isn&#039;t necessarily good for you, it&#039;s just better than most alternatives.

A better study for determining whether coffee is actually good or bad would be to compare coffee drinkers against strictly water drinkers, because I would not expect that the non-coffee drinkers in this study were only drinking water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a fan of coffee (black, no sugar), i hate to rain on this parade, but the study doesn&#8217;t actually say that coffee is good for you. Other similar studies were also careful not to confuse correlation with causation. An obvious reason for this study&#8217;s results is what the coffee drinkers are *not* otherwise drinking. Typical substitutes are pop (soda), fruit juice, iced tea, and any number of other sugar-laden beverages, which are known to cause many life-shortening health issues when consumed in excess. Coffee isn&#8217;t necessarily good for you, it&#8217;s just better than most alternatives.</p>
<p>A better study for determining whether coffee is actually good or bad would be to compare coffee drinkers against strictly water drinkers, because I would not expect that the non-coffee drinkers in this study were only drinking water.</p>
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		<title>By: GatorALLin</title>
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		<dc:creator>GatorALLin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 17:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...ok, so just tell us.... did starbucks sponsor this research... (grin).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;ok, so just tell us&#8230;. did starbucks sponsor this research&#8230; (grin).</p>
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		<title>By: GatorALLin</title>
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		<dc:creator>GatorALLin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 17:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...well I plan to live forever.....so far ...so good....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;well I plan to live forever&#8230;..so far &#8230;so good&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/coffee-drinkers-have-lower-risk-of-death-nih-study/comment-page-1#comment-15442</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 03:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out a more extensive discussion linking coffee drinking to health - including cancer from the member supported Life Extension Foundation: http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2012/jan2012_Discovering-Coffees-Unique-Health-Benefits_01.htm?source=search&amp;key=coffee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out a more extensive discussion linking coffee drinking to health &#8211; including cancer from the member supported Life Extension Foundation: <a href="http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2012/jan2012_Discovering-Coffees-Unique-Health-Benefits_01.htm?source=search&#038;key=coffee" rel="nofollow">http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2012/jan2012_Discovering-Coffees-Unique-Health-Benefits_01.htm?source=search&#038;key=coffee</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Avant</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/coffee-drinkers-have-lower-risk-of-death-nih-study/comment-page-1#comment-15396</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlotte Avant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 15:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t a more significant age group have been 70 to 87, the normal longevitiy of Americans to measure if coffee drinkers die sooner than normal?  Otherwise, studying an age group of 30 to 50 year olds would have similar statistical significance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t a more significant age group have been 70 to 87, the normal longevitiy of Americans to measure if coffee drinkers die sooner than normal?  Otherwise, studying an age group of 30 to 50 year olds would have similar statistical significance.</p>
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		<title>By: trakk</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/coffee-drinkers-have-lower-risk-of-death-nih-study/comment-page-1#comment-15387</link>
		<dc:creator>trakk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 13:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BUT

Never ever drink coffee at night....it messes with our sleep. I learned it the hard way. And science supports this fact too.

Coffee and tea have caffeine in them which alerts the brain and prevents it from winding down to sleep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUT</p>
<p>Never ever drink coffee at night&#8230;.it messes with our sleep. I learned it the hard way. And science supports this fact too.</p>
<p>Coffee and tea have caffeine in them which alerts the brain and prevents it from winding down to sleep.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 09:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can always tell a study is really scientific and thorough when they spend more time on explaining why the study may not actually tell us anything than on showing us what the study tells us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can always tell a study is really scientific and thorough when they spend more time on explaining why the study may not actually tell us anything than on showing us what the study tells us.</p>
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		<title>By: teddybear</title>
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		<dc:creator>teddybear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 07:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the research of coffee falls into the personal medicine category.
The reason is as follows:
The compound coffee could be broken down into about1,000 compounds that could potentially effect health. This loops of effects, with 1,000 compounds of coffee interacting tremendously greater number of compounds of your body, is out of mass-product-research type. 
There&#039;s an average(say, positive effect of coffee on longevity), but the deviation for every person is wild, both in terms of quality and quantity.

In the future, your body, nutrition, etc will be quantified and the data should be transferred to your software. Thus, with computer software simulation, about this innumerable interaction of chemical compounds, the computer will list the positive/negative effect on many of your body parts, and your longevity.

I think there is the gap of paradigm shift between the current research and the   claim of personal medicine.

Hope future development of overall technology will fill in the gap.




ps.
I drink 3-7 cups of coffee everyday. Sounds not bad, according to this research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the research of coffee falls into the personal medicine category.<br />
The reason is as follows:<br />
The compound coffee could be broken down into about1,000 compounds that could potentially effect health. This loops of effects, with 1,000 compounds of coffee interacting tremendously greater number of compounds of your body, is out of mass-product-research type.<br />
There&#8217;s an average(say, positive effect of coffee on longevity), but the deviation for every person is wild, both in terms of quality and quantity.</p>
<p>In the future, your body, nutrition, etc will be quantified and the data should be transferred to your software. Thus, with computer software simulation, about this innumerable interaction of chemical compounds, the computer will list the positive/negative effect on many of your body parts, and your longevity.</p>
<p>I think there is the gap of paradigm shift between the current research and the   claim of personal medicine.</p>
<p>Hope future development of overall technology will fill in the gap.</p>
<p>ps.<br />
I drink 3-7 cups of coffee everyday. Sounds not bad, according to this research.</p>
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		<title>By: Cybernettr</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/coffee-drinkers-have-lower-risk-of-death-nih-study/comment-page-1#comment-15337</link>
		<dc:creator>Cybernettr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 01:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Although we cannot infer a causal relationship between coffee drinking and lower risk of death, we believe these results do provide some reassurance that coffee drinking does not adversely affect health.”

In other words, coffee may not be quite as bad for you as previously thought, according to one preliminary study.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Although we cannot infer a causal relationship between coffee drinking and lower risk of death, we believe these results do provide some reassurance that coffee drinking does not adversely affect health.”</p>
<p>In other words, coffee may not be quite as bad for you as previously thought, according to one preliminary study.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Vasquez</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/coffee-drinkers-have-lower-risk-of-death-nih-study/comment-page-1#comment-15329</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Vasquez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 20:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of cups of coffee in the morning, a round of golf, a shower, lunch with coffee, a walk to the beach, then, a nap.  This rest of you can do more research and let me know what you find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of cups of coffee in the morning, a round of golf, a shower, lunch with coffee, a walk to the beach, then, a nap.  This rest of you can do more research and let me know what you find.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Fuselier</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/coffee-drinkers-have-lower-risk-of-death-nih-study/comment-page-1#comment-15328</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Fuselier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 20:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Until proven otherwise, everyone&#039;s risk of death is 100%.</description>
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		<title>By: matthew fuller</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/coffee-drinkers-have-lower-risk-of-death-nih-study/comment-page-1#comment-15324</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew fuller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 19:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suppose they did not control for persons with known problems drinking coffee, or many other known contaminates coffee may have, depending on how it is prepared and how it is made. If coffee still leads to life extension despite the control, this means that the average effect can overcome these small risks. 

What we need to know is what is good about coffee? I doubt it is the caffeine, but so many studies have found a positive benefit there is likely a causative factor worth exploring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suppose they did not control for persons with known problems drinking coffee, or many other known contaminates coffee may have, depending on how it is prepared and how it is made. If coffee still leads to life extension despite the control, this means that the average effect can overcome these small risks. </p>
<p>What we need to know is what is good about coffee? I doubt it is the caffeine, but so many studies have found a positive benefit there is likely a causative factor worth exploring.</p>
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		<title>By: harmil22</title>
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		<dc:creator>harmil22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 18:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me coffee is a mild and enjoyable stimutant. Since developing a 6 cup a day habit I now take my beagle for a 4-5 mile walk (ah, the joys of retirement) after lunch every day rather than take a nap. If I hadn&#039;t got into the coffee habit I suspect I would still be chosing the nap. The goal of my walk is a stop at Dutch Brothers for coffee a little over 2 miles from my house for some of the &quot;really good stuff.&quot; Hey, they even give my dog a few treats. Since I lost quite a bit of weight I suspect one possibility is that coffee drinkers may on average run at a bit higher metabolism and energy level that improves their health a little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me coffee is a mild and enjoyable stimutant. Since developing a 6 cup a day habit I now take my beagle for a 4-5 mile walk (ah, the joys of retirement) after lunch every day rather than take a nap. If I hadn&#8217;t got into the coffee habit I suspect I would still be chosing the nap. The goal of my walk is a stop at Dutch Brothers for coffee a little over 2 miles from my house for some of the &#8220;really good stuff.&#8221; Hey, they even give my dog a few treats. Since I lost quite a bit of weight I suspect one possibility is that coffee drinkers may on average run at a bit higher metabolism and energy level that improves their health a little.</p>
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		<title>By: L2k4FC</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/coffee-drinkers-have-lower-risk-of-death-nih-study/comment-page-1#comment-15317</link>
		<dc:creator>L2k4FC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 16:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drink up for tomorrow we die.  ......Or do we??  Lol...it&#039;s just coffee boys.  Outside of having congenital heart issues it isn&#039;t going to kill you.  Maybe people who drink more coffee live longer because they contemplate, meditate and enjoy life while enjoying coffee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drink up for tomorrow we die.  &#8230;&#8230;Or do we??  Lol&#8230;it&#8217;s just coffee boys.  Outside of having congenital heart issues it isn&#8217;t going to kill you.  Maybe people who drink more coffee live longer because they contemplate, meditate and enjoy life while enjoying coffee?</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice LeCroy</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/coffee-drinkers-have-lower-risk-of-death-nih-study/comment-page-1#comment-15312</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurice LeCroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 15:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m getting younger just reading this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting younger just reading this!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/coffee-drinkers-have-lower-risk-of-death-nih-study/comment-page-1#comment-15307</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 14:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to read through the study (won&#039;t have a chance to do so until next week at the earliest), but I have some concerns about whether this is measuring a cause or an effect - on its face the study looks like it has the potential for bias issues.

In my particular situation, I have an inherited congenital heart defect that causes heart rhythm abnormalities;  my cardiologist does not want me consuming much (any) caffeine.  I find decaf coffee to be practically undrinkable, so I don&#039;t drink coffee even though I like it.  Fortunately as long as my heart maintains its proper rhythm (which we&#039;re controlling with drugs), my cardiac function is in about the 90th percentile, so I&#039;m in reasonably good shape, and am probably not at a significantly elevated risk of mortality from heart failure.

However many people with heart problems (both congenital and otherwise) are not so lucky, and when they&#039;re told by their cardiologist &quot;No caffeine&quot; will quit coffee, but will be subject to a significantly increased risk of mortality due to atherosclerosis or heart defects or injury.  Unless the study controls for bias of this kind, it&#039;s impossible to say whether the coffee drinking is actually *beneficial* or whether it&#039;s simply more likely to be found amongst healthy individuals.

It does sound like it probably shows that coffee is at least not notably dangerous, at least as long as you don&#039;t have rhythm abnormalities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to read through the study (won&#8217;t have a chance to do so until next week at the earliest), but I have some concerns about whether this is measuring a cause or an effect &#8211; on its face the study looks like it has the potential for bias issues.</p>
<p>In my particular situation, I have an inherited congenital heart defect that causes heart rhythm abnormalities;  my cardiologist does not want me consuming much (any) caffeine.  I find decaf coffee to be practically undrinkable, so I don&#8217;t drink coffee even though I like it.  Fortunately as long as my heart maintains its proper rhythm (which we&#8217;re controlling with drugs), my cardiac function is in about the 90th percentile, so I&#8217;m in reasonably good shape, and am probably not at a significantly elevated risk of mortality from heart failure.</p>
<p>However many people with heart problems (both congenital and otherwise) are not so lucky, and when they&#8217;re told by their cardiologist &#8220;No caffeine&#8221; will quit coffee, but will be subject to a significantly increased risk of mortality due to atherosclerosis or heart defects or injury.  Unless the study controls for bias of this kind, it&#8217;s impossible to say whether the coffee drinking is actually *beneficial* or whether it&#8217;s simply more likely to be found amongst healthy individuals.</p>
<p>It does sound like it probably shows that coffee is at least not notably dangerous, at least as long as you don&#8217;t have rhythm abnormalities.</p>
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		<title>By: spikosauropod</title>
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		<dc:creator>spikosauropod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 14:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>peter g: “at five cups a day your putting yourself at risk of heart failure”

Science says no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peter g: “at five cups a day your putting yourself at risk of heart failure”</p>
<p>Science says no.</p>
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		<title>By: peter g</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 13:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at five cups a day your putting yourself at risk of heart failure</description>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
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		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 13:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And mine, too :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Giulio Prisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giulio Prisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 13:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And mine!</description>
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		<title>By: Spikosauropod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spikosauropod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 13:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vindication for my 5 cup a day habit!</description>
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