If your dream means something, does my old dream of dying in various way mean something?’ll interpret it: I will live forever, entire lifespans, that’s what the death stands for.Just kidding.

Everyone has strong ideas.

If we take ourselves too serious as a consequence of that, we allow ourselves to be hurt by others, for whatever reason, and do so unconsciously.

If that happens, we often get defensive, and start lashing out.This insight may not be accurate, but as a troll I can say you it works wonders in practice.Arousing these emotions is our bread and butter.

Anyway, if someone here engages in ad hominem, does it really matter to the target?It should not.

Ps: Anyone clocks me, and I’ll Glock him ;)

You know nothing about Europe.We know that you guys no longer share our values.People in Europe, anywhere but Great Britian, realize that we have to take our “destiny” in our own hands.

Maybe you should google pan-europeanism instead of telling a European what Europeans feel.Europe is lead by Germany and France.Just because you are brainwashed by your media of Germany-haters does not mean you know what we Europeans actually think.If you want to exclude me from that, I tell you straight away that I am not only German ;)

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiti%C3%A9_franco-allemande
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch-franz%C3%B6sische_Beziehungen

And for you, since you I guess you do not know anything other than English (no offense intended):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France%E2%80%93Germany_relations

Speaking with people from Greece or immigrants is not exactly represantative of the opinion of the man on the street.The usual European does not even speak English, so how do you know what they think? I’d suggest reading some polls, our leadership for example is more popular abroad than in Germany (we are very critical of our leadership).You can start with BBC.

Even wikipedia says that transhumanism is predominantly angloamerican.You just do not notice it since you mistake your culture for being international in the sense of all encompassing.Us-internationalism as ideology is well-known.You even have “world cups” in which only US-citizens participate.

And your saying about us is some wannabe crap.The USA alone would have lost either world war against us.Considering all these conflicts like vietnam, one must guess you do not even have eyes anymore.

That would explain your constant ignorance on military matters.Maybe you should ask people who actually served, what they think about other countries abilities.

Btw:Are you threatening us/me?Do you think we are scared? I don’t care.If your country attacks mine I’ll personally go out and prepare for some of your people to not needing any talking anymore.

It was not our country that dismantled xtenths of freedom just because of some terrorist attacks. This time the whole of Europe (besides England) would be on one side.I am pretty sure a unified Europe will be stronger than the USA, despite all your talk about exceptionalism and manifest destiny.

Concerning WW3 and the peoples will.Bs.Just tell them constantly they and their values are threatened, etc and now we are under attack by xy.I am willing to bet Europe would react to any outside attack violently, just as in the past.There was no time but after WW2 that Europeans as a whole took all that crap.Without the WW’s you’d be some regional power.

And who should attack us?The only country I consider to be a real threat short-term would be yours.Anyone else just let’s others be or is far away.You are the only ones who think they have a right to interfere anywhere.

Ps: The only big bully left is the USA.Maybe WW3 will come about because you did not realize that your ten seconds of greatness are about to end.

Pps: In Europe we do not talk about races, since we have biology lessons in school.

Another thing is that the way it is presented is entirely “anglocentrentic”.I only once/twice saw transhumanism in European in a bigger European newspaper- and it was represented as being for “nutjobs”.

My really long comment is still awaiting approval.I have written it down pretty fast, missing words and spelling mistakes are abound.Maybe it’s hard to understand^^

Basically I’d build a fundation/organization/ group of some kind, let specialists do research on matters pertaining specific goals, and build tailor made propaganda (the basis of all propaganda is the same, techniques like “name calling etc”, google has some lists i one wants to get a flavor).The specific of these things are partly in my other post.But fully outlining it would need several pages and more time.

Maybe I’d also change the name into something less “elitist”.I don’t know.I’d also try to make it more digestable to the mainstream, the way some of transhumanisms proponents present it it’s clearly about a smaller group of people.Some kind of well-off /nerd mix maybe?I’d need to know more about it.

But I’d certainly be much more systematic about it. To lay out all the principles of propaganda, social engeneering etc etc would produce a book like post (if I include examples, which are needed to be convincing).The rest comes with my other, metal listening inspired post.

However in your previous post you did not click any “reply to”, you typed directly in the “new post” box. And yet you seemed to be referring to someone or something on another conversation.
This changes the context of what you might mean, it’s not about who can or cannot reply to it, it’s about what s/he would be replying to, which then became hard to guess. :-)

Since you asked how I (capital) would do it, I’ll first say that a complete answer would be far too long for this comments section.I’ll shorten several steps, keep out the specifics (which is ok, since I’d use a methodology akin to “agile results” to create “stuff”) etc.And, one does not need to see the whole way in order to take steps.

First, to answer such a question, to know whom I’d need (aside from the general suspects: Leaders, Leaders of certain demographics + cultural groups (my list has twenty++ kinds of them, taken from the classic “Propaganda”),basically anyone with influence, and as direct allies, people who know how to conduct business, educate all kinds of people one needs such as public relationship experts and the one thing we do not lack, people who know about science) on my side,
I’d need much more information about transhumanism, it’s ideals, it’s history, and it’s goals.

I read about some political theory that said: We can, in all kinds of organizations/governments, find three types of people: The replaceable, the influential (their voice will command others) and the essential.Identifying and focusing on the latter (and some of the second group) should be the main work of anything that consumes time besides the production of propaganda media products.

I’d need enough information to at least propose goals that are tangible (e.g not something like: transcend humans.That’s OK, but more along the lines of repairing tissue damage through.. of course differently phrased).To determine good goals, I’d need to know for whom I am doing this, since most people, even though experts on the matter at hand, do not necessarily perceive the “less obvious” ways to achieve their goals.

But the primary reason i’d need to know more is: I think Transhumanism by it’s very nature is something that lends itself to “educational based selling.” To summarize that shortly, you see your costumer as client, and back up your claims with research.

I make this clear right now: Whatever one is doing (imho), non-profit stuff, advancing some ideology, or building connections (etc etc)- one is in the business of selling.Selling things, “yourself” (most not in a literal sense,I guess) and ideas.If you are like me, you sell all/most of these things;)

To understand how this is done in practice you need to know the concept of “core story”.It would be devised in conjunction with the formulation of my strategy (later).After I learned all this stuff about what I am doing, defined my “business” in broader terms (e.g railroad versus transportation) and redefined my relationship towards the target (in our case unecessary since we truly belief to act in their interest)- I/we’d go on and condense this info into different media formats, e.g a brochure that’s (another model would be needed, e.g emotionally compelling as example criterium) made by someone with design skills (or me, but I hate that, the last time I designed something was for the theme-based birthsdayparty of an aquaintance) under my close supervision.

It would for example be short, make use of precise rhetorics, and presents our case (hear one can include fallacies) while countering away the objections of opponents beforehand (without necessarely mentioning them, of course).It should not look like being biased (though there is research supporting almost everything).It has to be (that’s why we need the research) about the target, not us.They have to be educated about why they should support our cause.

Stop: By opponents I mean anyone who compets with us (but not anyone has necessarely something to say against us).In case of selling that’s broadly speaking everyone who wants to sell stuff.In our case these people are mostly other research groups and more importantly other ideologies, and religions.

One important thing in designing that brochure (the manifestation of the core story that I first saw when introduced to this concept) is to use guiding questions that lead the person to agree, another one is to avoid (insert extremely large list) things that upset, insult the person or anything the target groups (known through planning and research) could hold dear.

The ups and down of the brochure experience have to follow the format of all good performances (I have a model for that, but basically it’s stuff like avoiding to bring the best first, or be boring in beginning or end, just some ).All these steps can be taken with help of experts, if you are scared to do it alone (^^).

The design must be emotionally compelling, and clear (e.g stuff like pictures of old people, animals, children whatever included).

I’d also make use of reframing (for example using governmental research, noticing its cost and saying: Based on xy dollar research), and simplicity (5 things that you should know if you… etc etc)

Rightly done, it should be like an emotional roaler coaster, should make you want to believe/buy.

There are too many ways to get that reseach.I’d prefer to outsource that step to specialists (yeah they exist, but I am writing this on the go, and can’t remember the names), or do it myself through google.

It also should also be the base my future organization’s slogan (which can be build by obeying certain criteria and iteration).That slogan feature prominently wherever I want (it’s getting too much, I’d need to do some things before I know what’ be next).

This core story is what I’d use to train others (for example salespeople, though I’d never call them that way, more something line counselors^^ ), and align everything I plan to do to support it (and vice versa).

I’d then proceed to formulate a basic strategy, although we already started doing this.Defacto, I would build strategy and core story at the same time.

In strategy (that’s the way I do it) one can distinguish two basic tasks, which I call Strategic Planning (herein included strategic intent etc) and Strategic Thinking.The distinction between these two things generally blurrs, and at phases the former needs to be repeated.

Anyway, The former can be easily achieved by a concept called “guiding Questions”, which I already have ready at hand.These walk you through the formulation of a strategic plan with almost mechanical precision, they are based on several theories in the realms of strategy, business etc.I’d have to list a LOT of references to cover them.Some decide how we want to grow (what to outsource, to contact whom how, and how many people we’d need etc), which metrics we use (important, I’d use software to build models of what I am about to manipulate)to measure progress and how to automate stuff, and so on.

It would also include specific names of people and groups whom I’d want to approach.Depending on what you want to do (e.g journalists, afaik are eager to listen if you give them something that helps them write articles about your stuff, if said stuff is what furthers their aims).

Connecting to key persons be done through sending short questions per mail (á la Tim Ferris) to start a relationship, or if you are selling stuff you can catch the attention of people (this one I never tried) through sending them mail containing something cheap, cute or useful.Etc etc.

For example cheap 50 cent magnifiers are not that expensive if you send them right to the senior management (who may have not that good eyes anymore) of your potential “best buyers”.The most important thing is to beat the noise, to get that attention.

Strategic thinking is based on strategic principles, models etc.This intersects with different ways of “formal thinking skills”.It has to be learned through reading, case studies and application.Through drilling one get’s better at making quick decisions.

Now, there a lot of books out there on how to execute plans, so I’ll skip that.

There are also lots of books on rhetorics, politics etc out there.These all help to inform how the propaganda has to look.This is too much for this place, I think.I’d build a multi-criterion model (love that word) to take care of that.

In reality there is no sharp difference between politics, marketing, advertizing etc. I’d use principles and techniques from all these sources in order to create or supervise the creation of my “products” (in this case ideas/propaganda media).

In general, once you know the criteria (maybe one want’s to build a multi-criterion decision model), it should be quite easy to produce a piece of propaganda by means of some xy step algorithm.This can help to assure people besides you can do it.

Building organizations, social circles and how to organize them is too much to write down for me.One could write and sell entire books about this topic.De facto, people resell all these old ideas again and again :)

Let’s assume by now I know exactly what I want to do, and to whom.Using the guiding questions have found the relevant groups people etc, and can start to produce and spread tailor made propaganda through the media which most likely affects them.In order to get the guys I need I’d start some kind of income in conjunction with that, since I’d not get the people best suited without paying at least some of them.

One thing I certainly would want to do is called “softening the market”.Infusing a steady stream of memes, pictures, vids etc into media (internet, newspaper, remember one can send his research and claims to many newspapers all at once).Of course, this has to be based on the research, else you risk to brand yourself in a negative way (e.g saying the right thing at the wrong time can destroy many good things).

Over time people become more receptive to our cause.

Now it is just about doing all this consistently, monitoring (through metrics, software and internet/outsourcing) the effects, adjusting and letting the numbers of allies grow.
If the movement is big enough, it will be able to fend for itself.In general, you want to get people on your side who are smarter than you and can do what you can’t,Then I can RIP.

Damned, way too big^^

I don’t think there’s any need to do anything, though. The evolution comes naturally. People resist cars until they realize they’re more efficient than the horse and buggy. Same with these technologies. It’s why Kurzweil’s graphs demonstrate a consistent exponential trajectory throughout history regardless of historical events. It’s evolution, and it happens without individual intervention.

There isn’t really a problem to solve; there are merely ideas to share in a palatable way. People reject ideas like transhumanism, immortality, and the singularity because they are foreign concepts that don’t jibe with what we see out our windows today. They don’t appear to be compatible with what we already know and love.

The truth, of course, is that they are, but those who don’t spend time thinking about these things won’t see that until it’s outside their window. And at that point, they’ll use labels they’re comfortable with.

You’d be asking to much of us if you expect us to psych it.

I totally agree.

Re “transhumanism attracts (mostly) the wrong kind of people.”

I assume that “wrong kind of people” is to be interpreted in context (wrong kind of people = bad communicators).

What is the right kind of people, and how would you suggest to attract them?

” And see if you can’t instantly identify yourself as the writer, even though you flushed the actual “you” that actually wrote the words down the toilet several tens of “you” ago.”

Hm, I already read some of the stuff I wrote years ago.At first I thought: Now that’s a real i****. Then I saw my (nick)name.Feelings of guilt and shame, coupled with the vow to not write anything that others could possibly read.Of course, I knew that I wouldn’t keep that promise.

“I didn’t notice it back then.In all likelyhood I am still very dumb.”
I ask the opinion of a certain family member: “You are worse today, way worse.Could you please lend me 5 €?” Me:”Of course.Don’t eat all of it.”

Ps: Your story depends on your axioms, you could see yourself as information pattern expressed in matter.That way, you’d still have continuity.

“The strategist always slaughters the tactician.”
Or something like that.

It is also not very present (again, part of propaganda, but I wanted to emphasize that),

Maybe “sciency” (yeah) people are not good at people stuff.Even those new ageys are better at it.

My point is, if you solve that problem, you’ll get more rescourses (including manpower).One look into associated forums et sites and you see that transhumanism attracts (mostly) the wrong kind of people.

Another possibility is to go out and build a group of people doing the research you’d want.If you can pay them.I have seen some examples of that.

Ethical is relative.Nothing said.Or I’ll get me some ban.

Anyway.Have a nice day;)

Maybe I’ll find someone who puts me in his freezer.Hm.Yeah.In case you die or change your opinion, they shall try to bring me back.

Ps: I know I’d need some blood transfusion etc.Before people start “correcting” me.

And if you do it right (read up on that, too much to post here) you’ll end up as some kind of expert.Which helps making money with other stuff and even more books.A greedious cycle ;)

Or you could start a blog, if you are internet savvy and good at networking.

Or do both.Or any combination of what I said + other stuff.

Anyway your attitude is perfect for getting that first draft out, upon which you’ll iterate.That way your writing process would be pretty efficent.

Of course, if you do not know that stuff it takes some learning to get into it.

Now for those of you that think there is something mysterious about the brain, and that you will only persevere as some kind of Zombie, go back and read things that have written decades ago, and see if you can’t instantly identify yourself as the writer, even though you flushed the actual “you” that actually wrote the words down the toilet several tens of “you” ago.

After all of that Happy, Happy, Happy news, there is one little bit of bad news.
It will cost something to have yourself regenerated (the amount depending on how thoroughly the Hells Angels motorcycle gang wiped the barroom floor with your dumb ass), so do try to put some money aside.
And the potential regeneration team will likely only want to regenerate people they like, so try to be a good person and make people want to keep you around for a while longer.

~

I’m just regretting that there is not a more focused and rational approach in cryopreservation research. Part of the problem is that so few people, so far, really believe in the rationale or the real chances of this kind of research and then we have a “chicken and egg” situation to kick up the research.

To compensate for the lack of resources, (same problem for fighting aging which suffers from similar reservations from mainstream scientists), we should plan a very rational approach to maximize the bang for the buck. So why not concentrate the current research and financing on simpler but essential building blocks, targeting simpler organisms or simpler human “parts”.

For example, we know for quite a long time that the problem is solved for human zygotes, but is it for blastulas? Morulas? Gastrulas?

When such research becomes really unethical in the process of human embryo development?

Assuming this limit is consensually agreed, then transpose the research on animal embryos or tissues grown from stem cells.

A very potent milestone in cryology could have been the ability to cryopreserve and “ressuscite” complete organs, alleviating the dependency on donors by buffering the offer against the demand.

This kind of research should have been massively funded already 40 years ago. Has it be? Hardly.

But now such a victory from cryo research would be less relevant as the best pathway for organs availability is regrown organs obtained from autologous stem cells cultures dispersed on a biodegradable scaffold by a process of 3D printing.

Even so this regenerative process takes time. Thus, indeed, cryology remains an essential building block in future mainstream regenerative medicine, as everybody should have organ duplicates stored somewhere, just in case of an emergency.

I’m not seeing a multi-pronged coordinated research on this topic nor in fighting aging. Take the mouse prize, this is nice, but given the normal lifespan of a mouse, and our current understanding of aging, it is once again hype and hubris. Why did the Methuselah Foundation not start with a C. Elegans or a Drosophila prize instead?

Ps: I noticed not many people offered they condolences or said things as RIP or something like that.Do you all believe he’ll be “ressurected?”