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		<title>By: Phil Osborn</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/designing-a-new-internet-with-more-choices/comment-page-1#comment-28145</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Osborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 23:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These issues are important.  Feedback is essential for any system to survive and improve functioning.  There are other, larger issues that are not included in this, such as a truly rational approach to filtering.  

One area of overlap from #&#039;s 1 &amp; 2 to better filtering was included, as I recall, in the Xanadu spec, as in automatic micropayments, such that a user could specify in advance how much they charged for incoming email, either in general, or from specific people or classes of originators.  This automatically took care of spam, as only those advertisers who had a really good idea that you would actually want to purchase their products would pay the toll the recipient required.  Of course the system would have to support a low cost implementation of auto-notification on both ends, so that the sender could adjust his filters to maximize return on investment.  

For example, Acme Detergents has a new laundry mix that they want to market to people who wash clothes.  For agreeing to try this product out, they incorporate a link into the QR code on the carton that is a digital coupon that shows up at the grocery checkout as taken off your bill.  To notify you of this opportunity, they mass email to a preselected demographic whose incoming fee for generic ads cannot be over 25 cents.  If someone on the receiving end bumps the fee to 25000 dollars at random times to try to grab the bucks from some unwary adman, it won&#039;t work, because the handshake has to be there when the packets start arriving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These issues are important.  Feedback is essential for any system to survive and improve functioning.  There are other, larger issues that are not included in this, such as a truly rational approach to filtering.  </p>
<p>One area of overlap from #&#8217;s 1 &amp; 2 to better filtering was included, as I recall, in the Xanadu spec, as in automatic micropayments, such that a user could specify in advance how much they charged for incoming email, either in general, or from specific people or classes of originators.  This automatically took care of spam, as only those advertisers who had a really good idea that you would actually want to purchase their products would pay the toll the recipient required.  Of course the system would have to support a low cost implementation of auto-notification on both ends, so that the sender could adjust his filters to maximize return on investment.  </p>
<p>For example, Acme Detergents has a new laundry mix that they want to market to people who wash clothes.  For agreeing to try this product out, they incorporate a link into the QR code on the carton that is a digital coupon that shows up at the grocery checkout as taken off your bill.  To notify you of this opportunity, they mass email to a preselected demographic whose incoming fee for generic ads cannot be over 25 cents.  If someone on the receiving end bumps the fee to 25000 dollars at random times to try to grab the bucks from some unwary adman, it won&#8217;t work, because the handshake has to be there when the packets start arriving.</p>
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		<title>By: liventruth</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/designing-a-new-internet-with-more-choices/comment-page-1#comment-28108</link>
		<dc:creator>liventruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NO</p>
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		<title>By: liventruth</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/designing-a-new-internet-with-more-choices/comment-page-1#comment-28105</link>
		<dc:creator>liventruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO any information I generate should be properly compensated...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO any information I generate should be properly compensated&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: liventruth</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/designing-a-new-internet-with-more-choices/comment-page-1#comment-28104</link>
		<dc:creator>liventruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And btw. There are so many :free: apps that scour your data. Fuck that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And btw. There are so many :free: apps that scour your data. Fuck that.</p>
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		<title>By: liventruth</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/designing-a-new-internet-with-more-choices/comment-page-1#comment-28103</link>
		<dc:creator>liventruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, thhis article did hit a &quot;nerve&quot;.... more of a twitch really. Just throwing out a few blatantly emotional responses. In retrospect I would like to encourage Ray and the US GOV to inspect Corporational espionage. And the theft of personal data

New copyright laws need to be enacted immediately IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, thhis article did hit a &#8220;nerve&#8221;&#8230;. more of a twitch really. Just throwing out a few blatantly emotional responses. In retrospect I would like to encourage Ray and the US GOV to inspect Corporational espionage. And the theft of personal data</p>
<p>New copyright laws need to be enacted immediately IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Remi Tippetts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Remi Tippetts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2012 01:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The implication  that customers can&#039;t conveniently pay for services or that providers can&#039;t currently track usage/infrastructure metrics, customer satisfaction, and revenue is utter nonsense. There is a huge sea of services to choose from with extremely refined monitoring. 

I&#039;m surprised this paper came from Universities funded by the NSF. Stripped of that information I would assume it was manufactured by telecoms that want to end the free internet and introduce tiered structures and more pay walls. The last two paragraphs of the paper all but explicitly endorse the same sort of crap Comcast wants to pull with Netflix and attempt to portray that behavior as an advancement. You have to be crazy or working for a telecom to think that&#039;s either a technological or civic advancement. A financial advancement for local telecom monopolies perhaps, but a huge downgrade for end users. &quot;Drive continued innovation&quot;? Ludicrous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The implication  that customers can&#8217;t conveniently pay for services or that providers can&#8217;t currently track usage/infrastructure metrics, customer satisfaction, and revenue is utter nonsense. There is a huge sea of services to choose from with extremely refined monitoring. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised this paper came from Universities funded by the NSF. Stripped of that information I would assume it was manufactured by telecoms that want to end the free internet and introduce tiered structures and more pay walls. The last two paragraphs of the paper all but explicitly endorse the same sort of crap Comcast wants to pull with Netflix and attempt to portray that behavior as an advancement. You have to be crazy or working for a telecom to think that&#8217;s either a technological or civic advancement. A financial advancement for local telecom monopolies perhaps, but a huge downgrade for end users. &#8220;Drive continued innovation&#8221;? Ludicrous.</p>
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		<title>By: asiwel</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/designing-a-new-internet-with-more-choices/comment-page-1#comment-28067</link>
		<dc:creator>asiwel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not complete stupidity to skip through all the legal mumbo-jumbo (Terms of Service, etc.). After all, if you don&#039;t accept meekly, that&#039;s it ... no installation, no app, etc. And this comes AFTER you paid for the thing. There is, however, little excuse for not at least skimming the documentation ... before using the program and complaining about it ... Of course, that problem is rapidly going away, because the documentation is rapidly disappearing too .. or is lost in the cloud behind too many access steps, only to find poorly written unhelpful stuff (with a nice set of buttons DID THIS HELP? YES or NO). Obviously, this article hit a nerve!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not complete stupidity to skip through all the legal mumbo-jumbo (Terms of Service, etc.). After all, if you don&#8217;t accept meekly, that&#8217;s it &#8230; no installation, no app, etc. And this comes AFTER you paid for the thing. There is, however, little excuse for not at least skimming the documentation &#8230; before using the program and complaining about it &#8230; Of course, that problem is rapidly going away, because the documentation is rapidly disappearing too .. or is lost in the cloud behind too many access steps, only to find poorly written unhelpful stuff (with a nice set of buttons DID THIS HELP? YES or NO). Obviously, this article hit a nerve!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Vogel</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/designing-a-new-internet-with-more-choices/comment-page-1#comment-28063</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Vogel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 18:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the paper, and it talks about a new network architecture to support future internet evolution, not a completely new internet.  Further I do not grasp where all of these hurdles are not being addressed within the current internet architecture (at least in the US, I cannot comment on the global scale).

1). Encourage Alternatives: Any new network must be able to provide different types of services, allowing users to select the service that best meets their needs.

       I&#039;m pretty sure the provider choices we have (that offer varying feeds and speeds), cloud services offerings, and various hardware choices we have available at this time meet this criteria.  Corporations and users pay all kinds of different rates for internet services, and available bandwidths, at this time.  
 
2). Vote With Your Wallet: Any new network must allow users to reward service providers that offer superior and/or innovative services. This will encourage innovation and discourage inferior service.
 
      This is already happening on the current internet, and has been since AOL, Yahoo, etc... first started competing for users (the war is still raging between Microsoft and Google).  Secondly, why should all services be pay services, I don&#039;t want to vote with my wallet, I want to vote with my words and contribute to open source projects that do not further burden society so some corporation can please their shareholders with additional profits.  I certainly don&#039;t want to be tied into a network on which the only available applications and services come at monetary expense.

3). Know What Happened: Any new network must be able to give users and service providers the ability to exchange information about the quality of the service being provided.

       Not sure I quite grasp what you&#039;re saying.  We have e-mail, chat, ticketing support systems, customer surveys, dedicated networks for customer experience feedback, automated network monitoring, google analytics, etc... that more than provide adequate mediums for customer interaction and feedback on user experience.  You cannot get feedback from a network, about the complete user experience, without user input.  A new network architecture is not going to solve the problem of a majority of users who do not want to provide feedback about every transaction they&#039;re involved in.

Overall, (personal opinion based on simply this post and the attached two page paper) this project seems like a lot of effort for very little gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the paper, and it talks about a new network architecture to support future internet evolution, not a completely new internet.  Further I do not grasp where all of these hurdles are not being addressed within the current internet architecture (at least in the US, I cannot comment on the global scale).</p>
<p>1). Encourage Alternatives: Any new network must be able to provide different types of services, allowing users to select the service that best meets their needs.</p>
<p>       I&#8217;m pretty sure the provider choices we have (that offer varying feeds and speeds), cloud services offerings, and various hardware choices we have available at this time meet this criteria.  Corporations and users pay all kinds of different rates for internet services, and available bandwidths, at this time.  </p>
<p>2). Vote With Your Wallet: Any new network must allow users to reward service providers that offer superior and/or innovative services. This will encourage innovation and discourage inferior service.</p>
<p>      This is already happening on the current internet, and has been since AOL, Yahoo, etc&#8230; first started competing for users (the war is still raging between Microsoft and Google).  Secondly, why should all services be pay services, I don&#8217;t want to vote with my wallet, I want to vote with my words and contribute to open source projects that do not further burden society so some corporation can please their shareholders with additional profits.  I certainly don&#8217;t want to be tied into a network on which the only available applications and services come at monetary expense.</p>
<p>3). Know What Happened: Any new network must be able to give users and service providers the ability to exchange information about the quality of the service being provided.</p>
<p>       Not sure I quite grasp what you&#8217;re saying.  We have e-mail, chat, ticketing support systems, customer surveys, dedicated networks for customer experience feedback, automated network monitoring, google analytics, etc&#8230; that more than provide adequate mediums for customer interaction and feedback on user experience.  You cannot get feedback from a network, about the complete user experience, without user input.  A new network architecture is not going to solve the problem of a majority of users who do not want to provide feedback about every transaction they&#8217;re involved in.</p>
<p>Overall, (personal opinion based on simply this post and the attached two page paper) this project seems like a lot of effort for very little gain.</p>
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		<title>By: Bri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 17:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very emphatic. Why is it so nessesary, particularly in relation to corporation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very emphatic. Why is it so nessesary, particularly in relation to corporation?</p>
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		<title>By: liventruth</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/designing-a-new-internet-with-more-choices/comment-page-1#comment-28052</link>
		<dc:creator>liventruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LIVE CHAT SUPPORT IS NECESSARY FOR ANY CORPORATION TO PROSPER</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIVE CHAT SUPPORT IS NECESSARY FOR ANY CORPORATION TO PROSPER</p>
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		<title>By: liventruth</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/designing-a-new-internet-with-more-choices/comment-page-1#comment-28051</link>
		<dc:creator>liventruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2012 16:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO it is imperative to inform the public of what they are accepting tacitly when they click on anything or accept anything as an app. The TOS are so long and tedious NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND has the time to analyze them. I feel that this is an injustice to Americans and a way for corporations to profit off the stupid. Me Included.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO it is imperative to inform the public of what they are accepting tacitly when they click on anything or accept anything as an app. The TOS are so long and tedious NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND has the time to analyze them. I feel that this is an injustice to Americans and a way for corporations to profit off the stupid. Me Included.  :)</p>
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