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		<title>By: Avatar1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avatar1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A agree with you a 100% nobody will delete a original source of information</description>
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		<title>By: DrK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s plausible; however, much much more complicated than just downloading or transplanting a brain into a machine.  Despite Freud theorizing the separation of brain and body (to the long-standing detriment of western medicine), they are in fact inseparable.  Consider that the majority of neurotransmitters are made in the gut or a human&#039;s dependance on various gut bacteria for proper functioning including mental processes.  Then there&#039;s the problem that we still don&#039;t know how the brain actually works.  That&#039;s not to say that this vision will not some day be possible, but there&#039;s a lot more discovery, invention, and work ahead before it can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s plausible; however, much much more complicated than just downloading or transplanting a brain into a machine.  Despite Freud theorizing the separation of brain and body (to the long-standing detriment of western medicine), they are in fact inseparable.  Consider that the majority of neurotransmitters are made in the gut or a human&#8217;s dependance on various gut bacteria for proper functioning including mental processes.  Then there&#8217;s the problem that we still don&#8217;t know how the brain actually works.  That&#8217;s not to say that this vision will not some day be possible, but there&#8217;s a lot more discovery, invention, and work ahead before it can be.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MichaelK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 08:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Transfer&quot; is the wrong word. What you mean is &quot;copying&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Transfer&#8221; is the wrong word. What you mean is &#8220;copying&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penicillin? Very few, or none. It was discovered by accident while doing something else. 

Immortality will probably require nanobots keeping DNA from switching itself off.  We are programmed to live just long enough to leave a few descendents behind and feed them long enough to keep the line moving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penicillin? Very few, or none. It was discovered by accident while doing something else. </p>
<p>Immortality will probably require nanobots keeping DNA from switching itself off.  We are programmed to live just long enough to leave a few descendents behind and feed them long enough to keep the line moving.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not interested in copies of myself, and I especially don&#039;t want any that have access to my bank account.  

BTW, skiing on Phobos would be very boring. Tiny gravity means very slow downhill accel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not interested in copies of myself, and I especially don&#8217;t want any that have access to my bank account.  </p>
<p>BTW, skiing on Phobos would be very boring. Tiny gravity means very slow downhill accel.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 01:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole concept of e-dump is fake.  A copy is not the original. Consider: if one copy can be made, so can 2, or 20.  
Absorption of AI components into the bio-self and gradual expansion/replacement can work, but the issue of easy electronic duplication is still there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole concept of e-dump is fake.  A copy is not the original. Consider: if one copy can be made, so can 2, or 20.<br />
Absorption of AI components into the bio-self and gradual expansion/replacement can work, but the issue of easy electronic duplication is still there.</p>
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		<title>By: alex ivanov</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex ivanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess till we have a real technology we can&#039;t know for sure how it is going to work.</description>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 10:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Itskov&#039;s proposal appears to be a one-time destructive transfer - which is clearly an easier technological achievement than a real-time melding, since even with nanotechnology it&#039;s going to be hard to add all the connections needed to meld the e-self with the bio-self.  (Since much of the brain&#039;s information is encoded in its neuronal connections, it&#039;s easier to extract that information by disassembling the brain than it is to create a real-time connection to it).  Even nanotechnology still has a finite size, and if the connections are too big and/or too numerous they will disrupt the functioning of the bio-brain.

A gradual replacement of parts of the bio-brain with e-parts would be a middle ground, probably significantly more attainable than a real-time melding, though it&#039;s still probably significantly more difficult than a one-time destructive transfer.  You&#039;d still have some issues with integrating the bio-parts with the e-parts (different time scales, etc) but you don&#039;t have to have all of both systems working simultaneously and in parallel while still communicating with each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Itskov&#8217;s proposal appears to be a one-time destructive transfer &#8211; which is clearly an easier technological achievement than a real-time melding, since even with nanotechnology it&#8217;s going to be hard to add all the connections needed to meld the e-self with the bio-self.  (Since much of the brain&#8217;s information is encoded in its neuronal connections, it&#8217;s easier to extract that information by disassembling the brain than it is to create a real-time connection to it).  Even nanotechnology still has a finite size, and if the connections are too big and/or too numerous they will disrupt the functioning of the bio-brain.</p>
<p>A gradual replacement of parts of the bio-brain with e-parts would be a middle ground, probably significantly more attainable than a real-time melding, though it&#8217;s still probably significantly more difficult than a one-time destructive transfer.  You&#8217;d still have some issues with integrating the bio-parts with the e-parts (different time scales, etc) but you don&#8217;t have to have all of both systems working simultaneously and in parallel while still communicating with each other.</p>
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		<title>By: alex ivanov</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex ivanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 06:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think about gradual replacing bio-parts in the brain with e-pats till no bio-parts left? At which point can you say that you are not yourself anymore? Now we can connect this e-brain to other e-brains and we will get a collective mind. Personality doesn&#039;t exist in any particular e-brain anymore. It exists in the Net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think about gradual replacing bio-parts in the brain with e-pats till no bio-parts left? At which point can you say that you are not yourself anymore? Now we can connect this e-brain to other e-brains and we will get a collective mind. Personality doesn&#8217;t exist in any particular e-brain anymore. It exists in the Net.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 04:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting idea.  However, I suspect that in order for you to regard your e-self as an integral part of your total self, you would need very good integration between the e-self and the bio-self - not merely an occasional &quot;mind dump&quot; in both directions, but a real-time and seamless melding.  Since the brain isn&#039;t designed to do this, I suspect that will be a very difficult task - certainly not something that looks likely in the near term.  (What happens if and when we go through an actual Singularity who knows).

This leads to a number of questions:  If the connection isn&#039;t completely seamless, will our brains be able to cope with two or more highly similar &quot;selfs,&quot; one or more of which are running on a much faster time scale?  Or will this be more likely to lead to psychosis instead?  How do you handle the immense data transfer rates that would be required, and how do you get the information in and out of the brain without disrupting the brain&#039;s activities?  How do you integrate two or more personalities who are operating on such radically different time scales?

This is however a rather different scenario than the one proposed by Itskov, who assumes that this would be a one-time transfer without any prior melding.  In that case the new e-self might feel that it had a continuum of consciousness, but in all likelihood the bio-self would not perceive it in this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting idea.  However, I suspect that in order for you to regard your e-self as an integral part of your total self, you would need very good integration between the e-self and the bio-self &#8211; not merely an occasional &#8220;mind dump&#8221; in both directions, but a real-time and seamless melding.  Since the brain isn&#8217;t designed to do this, I suspect that will be a very difficult task &#8211; certainly not something that looks likely in the near term.  (What happens if and when we go through an actual Singularity who knows).</p>
<p>This leads to a number of questions:  If the connection isn&#8217;t completely seamless, will our brains be able to cope with two or more highly similar &#8220;selfs,&#8221; one or more of which are running on a much faster time scale?  Or will this be more likely to lead to psychosis instead?  How do you handle the immense data transfer rates that would be required, and how do you get the information in and out of the brain without disrupting the brain&#8217;s activities?  How do you integrate two or more personalities who are operating on such radically different time scales?</p>
<p>This is however a rather different scenario than the one proposed by Itskov, who assumes that this would be a one-time transfer without any prior melding.  In that case the new e-self might feel that it had a continuum of consciousness, but in all likelihood the bio-self would not perceive it in this way.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 01:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who are arguing that &quot;only my biological body is me&quot; don&#039;t realize that this perspective will change when they are spending more time in their virtual or robot bodies than in their bio one. As computing processing power continues to race ahead, your e-brain will be processing at thousands and then millions of times faster than your bio-brain. Therefore your perception of time will change. When your e-self can complete a PhD in the time it takes your bio-self to walk across a room, you will be having more than 99% of your life experiences as your e-self. At that point I don&#039;t think anyone will feel as attached to their bio-self.
It&#039;s understandable that some people currently feel that the loss of their bio-self is death because their bio-self is currently their only self and they don&#039;t have the experience of having more than 1 self or more accurately of having several different forms of themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who are arguing that &#8220;only my biological body is me&#8221; don&#8217;t realize that this perspective will change when they are spending more time in their virtual or robot bodies than in their bio one. As computing processing power continues to race ahead, your e-brain will be processing at thousands and then millions of times faster than your bio-brain. Therefore your perception of time will change. When your e-self can complete a PhD in the time it takes your bio-self to walk across a room, you will be having more than 99% of your life experiences as your e-self. At that point I don&#8217;t think anyone will feel as attached to their bio-self.<br />
It&#8217;s understandable that some people currently feel that the loss of their bio-self is death because their bio-self is currently their only self and they don&#8217;t have the experience of having more than 1 self or more accurately of having several different forms of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: alex ivanov</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex ivanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 00:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brock, I already answered this question below. Ignorance is bliss?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brock, I already answered this question below. Ignorance is bliss?</p>
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		<title>By: Chrispium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrispium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The vast majority of nations have government funded health care. You can bet they got the incentive to cure cancer. Think of the savings to the taxpayers! You could win elections with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The vast majority of nations have government funded health care. You can bet they got the incentive to cure cancer. Think of the savings to the taxpayers! You could win elections with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrispium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrispium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did stipulate &gt;moving&lt; a file as the point. Copying is just a part of the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did stipulate &gt;moving&lt; a file as the point. Copying is just a part of the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(And I might add, if you think that we &quot;haven&#039;t cured anything since polio&quot; you are seriously out of the loop.  Even limiting it to the area of vaccines, the progress made in just the last 20 years has been enormous.  Can we cure everything?  Of course not, but it&#039;s sheer ignorance to claim that we aren&#039;t making any progress at all).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(And I might add, if you think that we &#8220;haven&#8217;t cured anything since polio&#8221; you are seriously out of the loop.  Even limiting it to the area of vaccines, the progress made in just the last 20 years has been enormous.  Can we cure everything?  Of course not, but it&#8217;s sheer ignorance to claim that we aren&#8217;t making any progress at all).</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both your and Cari&#039;s arguments amount to nothing but a string of fallacies.  Let&#039;s say some company (or country, or University, it really doesn&#039;t matter) finds a cure for cancer.  Such a cure would be immensely valuable, to the extent that it would put all of the &quot;maintenance&quot; treatments out of business;  clearly they could charge quite a bit for the treatment.  Do you actually think the stockholders of that company (or the citizens of that country, or the professors of that University) would care that their discovery would put their competitors out of business?  NO!  It&#039;s up to the competitors to find something else to do, or fold up their tents and go away.  Adapt or die.  Perhaps eventually the total value of cancer treatments would diminish, as the first successes inspired others and as patents ran out, but that happens as well with any other technology you can name.

Your thesis would work equally well if you were talking about the replacement of horses for transportation:  They were once universally used for transportation, and clearly there was a lot of capital invested in horses for that purpose and a lot of people who based their lives around them, but once things like trains, cars, and airplanes were perfected the horses were no longer useful for general transportation (they are still used, of course, in some isolated areas - but this is a diminishing market).  The old-school &quot;processes&quot; or &quot;conspiracies&quot; or whatever you want to call them were unable to stem the tide of progress.  And so it would be here.

The one thing that does tend to slow research into things like cancer has nothing whatsoever to do with an attempt by some faceless &quot;industry&quot; to maintain their current cash flow at the expense of products that they foresee that could result in the elimination of cancer;  rather, it&#039;s that the easiest (and therefore the cheapest and quickest to find) new &quot;discoveries&quot; are going to be things that are similar to existing knowledge in the field, rather than doing the backbreaking and groundbreaking (and immensely expensive) basic research required for a major advance when you don&#039;t have any idea which line of inquiry would be the most profitable.  In fact, that&#039;s the idea behind having governments, foundations, and Universities fund basic research - its payoff is often too uncertain and too far in the future for many private companies to afford it.  But you can be certain that once the breakthroughs in basic research have been made, private companies and Universities will be right behind them in finding applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both your and Cari&#8217;s arguments amount to nothing but a string of fallacies.  Let&#8217;s say some company (or country, or University, it really doesn&#8217;t matter) finds a cure for cancer.  Such a cure would be immensely valuable, to the extent that it would put all of the &#8220;maintenance&#8221; treatments out of business;  clearly they could charge quite a bit for the treatment.  Do you actually think the stockholders of that company (or the citizens of that country, or the professors of that University) would care that their discovery would put their competitors out of business?  NO!  It&#8217;s up to the competitors to find something else to do, or fold up their tents and go away.  Adapt or die.  Perhaps eventually the total value of cancer treatments would diminish, as the first successes inspired others and as patents ran out, but that happens as well with any other technology you can name.</p>
<p>Your thesis would work equally well if you were talking about the replacement of horses for transportation:  They were once universally used for transportation, and clearly there was a lot of capital invested in horses for that purpose and a lot of people who based their lives around them, but once things like trains, cars, and airplanes were perfected the horses were no longer useful for general transportation (they are still used, of course, in some isolated areas &#8211; but this is a diminishing market).  The old-school &#8220;processes&#8221; or &#8220;conspiracies&#8221; or whatever you want to call them were unable to stem the tide of progress.  And so it would be here.</p>
<p>The one thing that does tend to slow research into things like cancer has nothing whatsoever to do with an attempt by some faceless &#8220;industry&#8221; to maintain their current cash flow at the expense of products that they foresee that could result in the elimination of cancer;  rather, it&#8217;s that the easiest (and therefore the cheapest and quickest to find) new &#8220;discoveries&#8221; are going to be things that are similar to existing knowledge in the field, rather than doing the backbreaking and groundbreaking (and immensely expensive) basic research required for a major advance when you don&#8217;t have any idea which line of inquiry would be the most profitable.  In fact, that&#8217;s the idea behind having governments, foundations, and Universities fund basic research &#8211; its payoff is often too uncertain and too far in the future for many private companies to afford it.  But you can be certain that once the breakthroughs in basic research have been made, private companies and Universities will be right behind them in finding applications.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Harlan Ellison, have many of his books, but sometimes...I have no mouth and I must puke.</description>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Chrispium, I&#039;ll go to fightaging.org right now.</description>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not exactly.  We copy files from the hard disk to flash drives all the time without erasing the source file.</description>
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		<title>By: Chrispium</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25381</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrispium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in complete agreement with you here. I think that most of the people that talk about uploading, doesn&#039;t understanding what a computer does when it moves a file from a source to a destination.

It copies from source to destination, then deletes source. In human terms, that is not continuity of existence since source gets &quot;killed&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in complete agreement with you here. I think that most of the people that talk about uploading, doesn&#8217;t understanding what a computer does when it moves a file from a source to a destination.</p>
<p>It copies from source to destination, then deletes source. In human terms, that is not continuity of existence since source gets &#8220;killed&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brock</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25376</link>
		<dc:creator>Brock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way this plan results in &quot;immortality&quot; is if you regard your Avatar copy as &quot;you&quot; and immediately commit (biological) suicide the moment the Avatar is created.

Drinking the Kool-Aid indeed.

The Avatar isn&#039;t you. It&#039;s another being that has your memories and personality at the moment of its creation, but from that moment on &quot;you&quot; and &quot;it&quot; diverge as different people with different memories and experiences. For example, what if one of us has a religious conversion, or gets married and moves to Portugal? Are we then the same person? No.

The only immortality that counts for me is biological immortality. &quot;I&quot; am indivisible from my physical brain. None of &quot;you&quot; are getting out of that brain alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way this plan results in &#8220;immortality&#8221; is if you regard your Avatar copy as &#8220;you&#8221; and immediately commit (biological) suicide the moment the Avatar is created.</p>
<p>Drinking the Kool-Aid indeed.</p>
<p>The Avatar isn&#8217;t you. It&#8217;s another being that has your memories and personality at the moment of its creation, but from that moment on &#8220;you&#8221; and &#8220;it&#8221; diverge as different people with different memories and experiences. For example, what if one of us has a religious conversion, or gets married and moves to Portugal? Are we then the same person? No.</p>
<p>The only immortality that counts for me is biological immortality. &#8220;I&#8221; am indivisible from my physical brain. None of &#8220;you&#8221; are getting out of that brain alive.</p>
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		<title>By: C</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25371</link>
		<dc:creator>C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not me. I&#039;m looking to become immortal so I can become super-intelligent and enslave everyone ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not me. I&#8217;m looking to become immortal so I can become super-intelligent and enslave everyone ;)</p>
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		<title>By: C</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25370</link>
		<dc:creator>C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 16:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her argument is sound. Consider the cure for cancer. 
No cure = lifetime of expensive local treatment costing thousands each month.
Cure = Fly to a country where you can afford the cure and be done with it.

This may or may not be influencing cancer research, but an incentive against a cure is plain to see, and I haven&#039;t heard of us curing anything since polio (and yes I know it wasn&#039;t *technically* cured)

BTW, I don&#039;t think this takes a conspiracy or anything nutty like that. Industries (just like governments, individual businesses, non-profits, clubs, and even the way we run our personal lives) are built on processes (think strong habits involving many people). Incentives which sustain those processes inevitably shape them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her argument is sound. Consider the cure for cancer.<br />
No cure = lifetime of expensive local treatment costing thousands each month.<br />
Cure = Fly to a country where you can afford the cure and be done with it.</p>
<p>This may or may not be influencing cancer research, but an incentive against a cure is plain to see, and I haven&#8217;t heard of us curing anything since polio (and yes I know it wasn&#8217;t *technically* cured)</p>
<p>BTW, I don&#8217;t think this takes a conspiracy or anything nutty like that. Industries (just like governments, individual businesses, non-profits, clubs, and even the way we run our personal lives) are built on processes (think strong habits involving many people). Incentives which sustain those processes inevitably shape them.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrispium</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25354</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrispium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have much more confidence in your 20 year scenario involving genetic modifications. I would like that to come true before 20 years though ;)

PS. Did you look at www.fightaging.org  Lots of link to advice on how to extend your remaining years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have much more confidence in your 20 year scenario involving genetic modifications. I would like that to come true before 20 years though ;)</p>
<p>PS. Did you look at <a href="http://www.fightaging.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.fightaging.org</a>  Lots of link to advice on how to extend your remaining years.</p>
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		<title>By: garyb</title>
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		<dc:creator>garyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference is that the west is open source. In the end such culture might be immortal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is that the west is open source. In the end such culture might be immortal.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrispium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrispium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re investing in immortality research, you can only say your investment failed if you died. Pretty hard to get revenge after your dead right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re investing in immortality research, you can only say your investment failed if you died. Pretty hard to get revenge after your dead right?</p>
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		<title>By: Chrispium</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25349</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrispium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have much confidence in the validity of any of Dmitrys claims. The timeline he sets out is more akin to wishful thinking than any grounding in solid science. If you&#039;re going to invest, invest in things that have a more solid grounding. But hey, your money is your money, do with them what you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have much confidence in the validity of any of Dmitrys claims. The timeline he sets out is more akin to wishful thinking than any grounding in solid science. If you&#8217;re going to invest, invest in things that have a more solid grounding. But hey, your money is your money, do with them what you want.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25341</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crispium, who can say if it won&#039;t be possible?  If these billionaires now average 66 years of age, by the time they are 86 it just might be possible.  Robots are already working up fingers and skin senses, so that it won&#039;t give sensory deprivation to be a brain in a robot body.

But on the other hand, in 20 years medical science will be able to get into the cell nucleus and stop the telomeres from unraveling, and the DNA from suffering transcription errors during cell division.  This just might stop aging and even cause the body to rejuve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crispium, who can say if it won&#8217;t be possible?  If these billionaires now average 66 years of age, by the time they are 86 it just might be possible.  Robots are already working up fingers and skin senses, so that it won&#8217;t give sensory deprivation to be a brain in a robot body.</p>
<p>But on the other hand, in 20 years medical science will be able to get into the cell nucleus and stop the telomeres from unraveling, and the DNA from suffering transcription errors during cell division.  This just might stop aging and even cause the body to rejuve.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25339</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those old Russian millionaires will care, and they are nobody to mess with.  They got their money by their old KGB connections and if you cheat them, they will find you and make you beg for the sweet release of death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those old Russian millionaires will care, and they are nobody to mess with.  They got their money by their old KGB connections and if you cheat them, they will find you and make you beg for the sweet release of death.</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25337</link>
		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea Rick, sending your personality off to distant moons for adventure and then bringing it back for an experience upload.  Have you heard of &quot;experience beaming?&quot;  That&#039;s the idea that extreme athletes can beam back what they are experiencing into the heads of people sitting in their recliners in Kansas City.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea Rick, sending your personality off to distant moons for adventure and then bringing it back for an experience upload.  Have you heard of &#8220;experience beaming?&#8221;  That&#8217;s the idea that extreme athletes can beam back what they are experiencing into the heads of people sitting in their recliners in Kansas City.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can you be sure that we haven&#039;t already?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Holographic-Universe-Michael-Talbot/dp/0586091718</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you be sure that we haven&#8217;t already?<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Holographic-Universe-Michael-Talbot/dp/0586091718" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Holographic-Universe-Michael-Talbot/dp/0586091718</a></p>
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		<title>By: STAN</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25334</link>
		<dc:creator>STAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to see this being pursued; sensible input will be added to make it a realistic outcome , in time. Just how long is the question; the direction is reassuring,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see this being pursued; sensible input will be added to make it a realistic outcome , in time. Just how long is the question; the direction is reassuring,</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25327</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Research is about finding out what works and what doesn&#039;t.  How many failed experiments were there before penicillin was discovered?  With your attitude, nothing would ever be discovered and we would never learn anything, because you advocate only doing things that we know work already!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Research is about finding out what works and what doesn&#8217;t.  How many failed experiments were there before penicillin was discovered?  With your attitude, nothing would ever be discovered and we would never learn anything, because you advocate only doing things that we know work already!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friggly Enterprises:

Yeah, I prefer having sex with my wife for reproduction as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friggly Enterprises:</p>
<p>Yeah, I prefer having sex with my wife for reproduction as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrispium</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25319</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrispium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their money could have gone to projects that actually works...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their money could have gone to projects that actually works&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: alex ivanov</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex ivanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 09:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Bri,
Why are you trying to discuss Avatar project if you haven&#039;t seen Avatar movie yet? Watch the movie first and then tell me whether Jake Sully is dead or alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bri,<br />
Why are you trying to discuss Avatar project if you haven&#8217;t seen Avatar movie yet? Watch the movie first and then tell me whether Jake Sully is dead or alive.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25306</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 06:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think at some point we will have moved our consciousness to only be inside a virtual existence but still some may find it necessary or desirable to interact outside the virtual world with the real world.  These same individuals may actually want to have several avatar like robots operating simultaneously with periodic downloads back to the virtual individual. In this way you could have a relatively low risk individual robot with it&#039;s own version of the original individual doing whatever it is you want to do such as exploring the universe, skiing on Phobos, building/maintenance of whatever is housing and sustaining the virtual world etc. and then it all gets uploaded back as shared experiences with the original personality. Life at that point would have been redefined and most of what drives us as humans becomes unnecessary leaving other motivations to take over. We won&#039;t need sex, war, jealousy, or the other base human emotions that have caused us so much trouble in our short history but are required as part of the evolutionary process of animal species. We would have evolved past that (hopefully) into an entirely new species. This begs the question as implied by soliciting only from billionaires as to who all it would include and how to separate ourselves from each other.  I can envision a Zardoz-like scenario if only the rich are included. On the other hand religious nuts will do whatever they can to destroy this concept as a violation of God&#039;s intent and they will, I am certain, rule that avatars and digital virtual individuals will not have souls nor be &quot;alive&quot; for legal purposes. I can envision  that in the near future, particularly if humans are stressed over disparate distribution of income, wealth, and resources. All of that will have to be resolved at some point. It may require eliminating what human population remains that refuses the move into the singularity just for self-preservation from them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think at some point we will have moved our consciousness to only be inside a virtual existence but still some may find it necessary or desirable to interact outside the virtual world with the real world.  These same individuals may actually want to have several avatar like robots operating simultaneously with periodic downloads back to the virtual individual. In this way you could have a relatively low risk individual robot with it&#8217;s own version of the original individual doing whatever it is you want to do such as exploring the universe, skiing on Phobos, building/maintenance of whatever is housing and sustaining the virtual world etc. and then it all gets uploaded back as shared experiences with the original personality. Life at that point would have been redefined and most of what drives us as humans becomes unnecessary leaving other motivations to take over. We won&#8217;t need sex, war, jealousy, or the other base human emotions that have caused us so much trouble in our short history but are required as part of the evolutionary process of animal species. We would have evolved past that (hopefully) into an entirely new species. This begs the question as implied by soliciting only from billionaires as to who all it would include and how to separate ourselves from each other.  I can envision a Zardoz-like scenario if only the rich are included. On the other hand religious nuts will do whatever they can to destroy this concept as a violation of God&#8217;s intent and they will, I am certain, rule that avatars and digital virtual individuals will not have souls nor be &#8220;alive&#8221; for legal purposes. I can envision  that in the near future, particularly if humans are stressed over disparate distribution of income, wealth, and resources. All of that will have to be resolved at some point. It may require eliminating what human population remains that refuses the move into the singularity just for self-preservation from them.</p>
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		<title>By: Holygrail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holygrail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 04:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to me like a snake oil scheme trying to trap gullible and scared old rich russians (the milestones, too near, tie up too well with the average age) but hey, if it works or advances science then great! and if it doesn&#039;t who&#039;s going to care about a few russian millionares being scammed? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me like a snake oil scheme trying to trap gullible and scared old rich russians (the milestones, too near, tie up too well with the average age) but hey, if it works or advances science then great! and if it doesn&#8217;t who&#8217;s going to care about a few russian millionares being scammed? :)</p>
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		<title>By: Friggly Enterprises</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25294</link>
		<dc:creator>Friggly Enterprises</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 04:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brain transfers are no longer just for an elite few.  Now you too can move your brain to a new organic host.  No high priced clones.  No artificial supports that risk unexpected termination.  No need to destroy your physical brain while you’re being uploaded.  Friggly Enterprises Biolink Buddies are guaranteed and your brain remains yours to keep.  

Give Yourself the Peace of Mind Only an Independent Organic Host Provides</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brain transfers are no longer just for an elite few.  Now you too can move your brain to a new organic host.  No high priced clones.  No artificial supports that risk unexpected termination.  No need to destroy your physical brain while you’re being uploaded.  Friggly Enterprises Biolink Buddies are guaranteed and your brain remains yours to keep.  </p>
<p>Give Yourself the Peace of Mind Only an Independent Organic Host Provides</p>
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		<title>By: Mortran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mortran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 00:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2045</description>
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		<title>By: rob falgiano</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob falgiano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of variations seem possible. There may be many different lifeforms: completely nonbiological &quot;copies&quot; of people, completely biological but genetic altered humans who do not effectively age, cyborgs (mix of biological and tech parts), and non-biological artificial intelligences that do not have any past existence as humans. There&#039;s even more I&#039;m sure. I don&#039;t think anyone could predict with much certainty now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of variations seem possible. There may be many different lifeforms: completely nonbiological &#8220;copies&#8221; of people, completely biological but genetic altered humans who do not effectively age, cyborgs (mix of biological and tech parts), and non-biological artificial intelligences that do not have any past existence as humans. There&#8217;s even more I&#8217;m sure. I don&#8217;t think anyone could predict with much certainty now.</p>
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		<title>By: Spikosauropod</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25275</link>
		<dc:creator>Spikosauropod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, we all knew it was coming. 

Choices, choices, choices...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, we all knew it was coming. </p>
<p>Choices, choices, choices&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;. Lots of fun to talk about but don’t hold your breath waiting to ” live forever”. It just can’t happen.&quot; Why do you think that? What do you think about Tipler´s Omega point? 
I´ve been reading some of your posts about spiritual experiences, do you have some kind of blog or something to know a little more about? My mother told me many experiences she had like viewing kind of signs when friends or my grandfa died and we could prove twice this was extremely accurate with the real death time, but she stopped telling me because I know I looked at her like &quot;I´m calling a psychologist for you&quot;, but I can´t erase that things of my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;. Lots of fun to talk about but don’t hold your breath waiting to ” live forever”. It just can’t happen.&#8221; Why do you think that? What do you think about Tipler´s Omega point?<br />
I´ve been reading some of your posts about spiritual experiences, do you have some kind of blog or something to know a little more about? My mother told me many experiences she had like viewing kind of signs when friends or my grandfa died and we could prove twice this was extremely accurate with the real death time, but she stopped telling me because I know I looked at her like &#8220;I´m calling a psychologist for you&#8221;, but I can´t erase that things of my head.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrispium</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25263</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrispium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone knowledgeable in computers AND biosciences? hmmm? Oh I Know! Aubrey de Grey!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone knowledgeable in computers AND biosciences? hmmm? Oh I Know! Aubrey de Grey!!</p>
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		<title>By: Noah</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/do-billionaires-crave-eternal-life/comment-page-1#comment-25255</link>
		<dc:creator>Noah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. Avatar C is like the perfect Will and great  source for knowledge and education. Imagine if we had perfect robotic replicas of some of the worlds greatest minds and historical figures. They can continue to benefit and teach mankind many years after their death. It doesn&#039;t really keep the original person alive, but from an overall standpoint, a great part of them still exists for the people here. It&#039;s also an interesting idea that we die so our future robotic selves might live. It almost has that same feeling of leaving behind children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. Avatar C is like the perfect Will and great  source for knowledge and education. Imagine if we had perfect robotic replicas of some of the worlds greatest minds and historical figures. They can continue to benefit and teach mankind many years after their death. It doesn&#8217;t really keep the original person alive, but from an overall standpoint, a great part of them still exists for the people here. It&#8217;s also an interesting idea that we die so our future robotic selves might live. It almost has that same feeling of leaving behind children.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 20:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are making NO sense.  If the &quot;medical industry&quot; could achieve perfect health and immortality, their payoff would be HUGE - think how much people would be willing to pay for that!  Now of course some jobs would tend to disappear - orderlies, nurse&#039;s aides and perhaps nurses generally, for example - but they&#039;d tend to be the lower-level jobs who don&#039;t get much say about the general direction of the industry in any event.

Lots of stuff is being done to, as you say, &quot;find the code to the program&quot;  - and likely it will bear very much fruit over the next 20 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are making NO sense.  If the &#8220;medical industry&#8221; could achieve perfect health and immortality, their payoff would be HUGE &#8211; think how much people would be willing to pay for that!  Now of course some jobs would tend to disappear &#8211; orderlies, nurse&#8217;s aides and perhaps nurses generally, for example &#8211; but they&#8217;d tend to be the lower-level jobs who don&#8217;t get much say about the general direction of the industry in any event.</p>
<p>Lots of stuff is being done to, as you say, &#8220;find the code to the program&#8221;  &#8211; and likely it will bear very much fruit over the next 20 years.</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;then just commit suicide, period&quot;

Assuming the superintelligence lets/allows you to commit suicide.  See Harlan Ellison&#039;s, &quot;I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream.&quot;  You could be in for a literal implementation of eternal damnation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;then just commit suicide, period&#8221;</p>
<p>Assuming the superintelligence lets/allows you to commit suicide.  See Harlan Ellison&#8217;s, &#8220;I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream.&#8221;  You could be in for a literal implementation of eternal damnation.</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Perhaps if one has a sufficiently big ego that would be an attraction, but such a desire almost seems like a psychological pathology IMHO.&quot;

Or a healthy Nietzschean outlook.

  Why do you think many people choose to have their own biological children?  It&#039;s the best they can do at the moment to achieve a somewhat rudimentary copy of themselves.   The problem with the West (Eurosphere) is they don&#039;t seem to have enough ego, at least in regard to their personal selves.  It hasn&#039;t gone unnoticed that the West is shrivelling, with far fewer that replacement level native birth rates.   No mater, people are fungible, import  more.  They seem to have a very high regard for their culture though and are aggressively trying to spread it, make the world safe for democracy and all that.  They literally believe that &quot;the culture&quot; and &quot;the people&quot;, undergirding it, are independent entities.  No other culture believes this.  Japan is investing in robot developement rather than import Koreans for jobs the Japanese &quot;don&#039;t want to do.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps if one has a sufficiently big ego that would be an attraction, but such a desire almost seems like a psychological pathology IMHO.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or a healthy Nietzschean outlook.</p>
<p>  Why do you think many people choose to have their own biological children?  It&#8217;s the best they can do at the moment to achieve a somewhat rudimentary copy of themselves.   The problem with the West (Eurosphere) is they don&#8217;t seem to have enough ego, at least in regard to their personal selves.  It hasn&#8217;t gone unnoticed that the West is shrivelling, with far fewer that replacement level native birth rates.   No mater, people are fungible, import  more.  They seem to have a very high regard for their culture though and are aggressively trying to spread it, make the world safe for democracy and all that.  They literally believe that &#8220;the culture&#8221; and &#8220;the people&#8221;, undergirding it, are independent entities.  No other culture believes this.  Japan is investing in robot developement rather than import Koreans for jobs the Japanese &#8220;don&#8217;t want to do.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kyru Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyru Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 19:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no scientific evidence that support any of these scenarios as being remotely plausible. There is however remarkably clear scientific evidence that the human body could , if unhindered by the aging process, continue to regenrate itself indefinitely. As recent research has confirmed, indeed the DNA coding bears strong resemblance to a very advanced coding program, but only the original &#039;&#039;Programmer&#039;&#039; has the means to fix it. Humans&#039; presumptuousness makes them so quick to simplify things they haven&#039;t even begun to understand and take science-fiction as something that will become possible &#039;&#039;in the future&#039;&#039; because &#039;&#039;we&#039;ll find how&#039;&#039;. Just another empty promise from the newest popular &#039;&#039;religion&#039;&#039;, scientific speculation, only leading to the same result as all the others: disappointment and no real answers to the most important questions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no scientific evidence that support any of these scenarios as being remotely plausible. There is however remarkably clear scientific evidence that the human body could , if unhindered by the aging process, continue to regenrate itself indefinitely. As recent research has confirmed, indeed the DNA coding bears strong resemblance to a very advanced coding program, but only the original &#8221;Programmer&#8221; has the means to fix it. Humans&#8217; presumptuousness makes them so quick to simplify things they haven&#8217;t even begun to understand and take science-fiction as something that will become possible &#8221;in the future&#8221; because &#8221;we&#8217;ll find how&#8221;. Just another empty promise from the newest popular &#8221;religion&#8221;, scientific speculation, only leading to the same result as all the others: disappointment and no real answers to the most important questions</p>
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		<title>By: BB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 18:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t get the point of “Avatar C”. Why would anyone want to create a double of themselves?&quot;

Why, to continue to manifest one&#039;s will of course.  Do you think the current goals and interests of The Ford Foundation are anything like what they would be if &quot;Henry Ford&quot; was still in charge of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t get the point of “Avatar C”. Why would anyone want to create a double of themselves?&#8221;</p>
<p>Why, to continue to manifest one&#8217;s will of course.  Do you think the current goals and interests of The Ford Foundation are anything like what they would be if &#8220;Henry Ford&#8221; was still in charge of it?</p>
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