First Pass: What’s Wrong with the Grand Challenges for Engineering
October 11, 2010 by Daniel W. Rasmus
At the risk of committing more over-thinking of the Grand Challenges for Engineering, I want to take a first pass at discussing what I think is wrong with them in a very specific way, and honing the list into something more grand.
Here is the current list:
- Make solar energy economical
- Provide energy from fusion
- Develop carbon sequestration methods
- Manage the nitrogen cycle
- Provide access to clean water
- Restore and improve urban infrastructure
- Advance health informatics
- Engineer better medicines
- Reverse-engineer the brain
- Prevent nuclear terror
- Secure cyberspace
- Enhance virtual reality
- Advance personalized learning
- Engineer the tools of scientific discovery
First, energy. These should all be combined. The challenge should be sustainable energy. I don’t think we should care what type of energy wins as long as it sustainable in the broadest sense (no limited supply, not toxic to the environment, eliminates the need to engineer something to fix its problems or byproducts in the future). So this turns “Make solar energy economical and provide energy from fusion” into:
- Develop sustainable energy
Second: Develop models for sustainable living. There are several here, from managing the nitrogen cycle, to clean water, to carbon sequestration. It is also closely related to the first two, because sustainable energy is a part of sustainable living.
Restore and improve urban infrastructure is also part of sustainable living. Without the context of sustainable living, we cannot spell out the goals of an urban infrastructure. Infrastructure is part of an overall design, not a separate component engineered in a vacuum.
Next one then is:
- Create models for sustainable living
Advance health informatics. Wow, that is really going to inspire people. Let’s not cure anything, let’s study the data. If we create a goal maximizing healthy human lifespans, then we end up with informatics and medicines as part of this. It also touches the sustainable living because many of our health care issues come from our consumer-driven approach to life, along with our short-term perspectives on the planet and ourselves. Get people to think sustainable about everything and some health issues are solved without informatics or new medicines. Sure, there are huge health issues that need to be solved, but again, rather than looking at data and medicine, let’s look at humans holistically and systematically so that we understand the causal relationships between disease and environment, between disease and the genome, between mutation and evolution.
So for number three:
- Maximize healthy human life-spans
Reverse-engineer the brain. OK, but why? I have been a practitioner and advocate for artificial intelligence for a long time. I love this stuff, I think it is a solution to how we store information and make sense of the world. But making sense of the world and storing information better don’t make it necessary to reverse-engineer the brain, because we aren’t going to make artificial brains. Brains are meat-machines, We are likely going to make hardware, not wetware, so we need to learn from the brain, but not be limited by it as we translate our findings into hardware. We already know how poorly the brain does something (like retrieve specific facts) and how well it does other things (like build 3-D models from scattered light). Let us learn what we need to learn to solve specific representation, storage and retrieval issues, knowing already that the brain is an imperfect model from an engineering perspective. So I would argue that we need to engineer better ways to store and retrieve knowledge, and again, let the engineers figure out what they need to know to do that.
So four:
- Create better ways to represent, store and retrieve knowledge
Prevent nuclear terror. Talk about putting the genie back in the bottle. This is a political issue, not a scientific issue. Sure, the detection of fissionable material is something that can be engineered, but the distribution and access is in the control of nation-states. It is a physical security issue, not an engineering issue. I would just drop this off the list for engineers. This is a grand political challenge, I believe that when the politics are solved, the engineering is fairly mundane. Now, if we look at this as a part of the energy equation, and worry about sustainability, the issue of where to store nuclear waste becomes a huge issue, but that is not a terror issue, it is a sustainable living issue.
Next on the list is secure cyberspace. I would put this as a sub-bullet way down the list for storing and retrieving human knowledge, because ultimately, the way to solve intellectual property issues and the way to secure state secrets are highly correlated. Solve either and both are solved. So I would also remove this from the list and let it float among the other priorities in the human knowledge challenge.
Enhance virtual reality (VR). No. This is a tool, not a challenge by itself. It could be argued that VR is fundamental to all of these issues, so it needs its own category. I would argue that VR will have unique instances within these categories (being in a human body may require different representation and visualization technology than simulating a sustainable city). So this goes off the list and becomes a means to several ends, not an end in itself.
Advanced personalized learning. Easy, a sub-task of number four. Interesting, but we need to understand learning models in light of new representation, storage and retrieval models. This becomes a bit of an analytics challenge once we have the representation, but it is getting the data to the point it can be discovered and correlated that is important. I already know what is important to me, and once information systems know that too, ordering knowledge to fit my schedule becomes a rather trivial, non-grand issue. A bigger issue is having the time to learn what I need to learn, and that, again, is a representation issue. If we end up with Matrix-like downloading, then it is all about representation and interface, not about personalized learning, and that becomes a given the second I jack in.
Finally, engineer the tools of scientific discovery. Another, “just let people do what they need to do” category. We continue to create great instruments for things that aren’t grand challenges. Understanding cosmology may be a real human need, but the Hubble telescope is mostly a machine to explore philosophy, not science. Yes, it reveals both new truths and raises new questions, but perhaps its biggest question is why the universe matters to people on earth. It won’t answer that question. People need degrees of movement to pursue intellectual and philosophical questions that matter, because people say they matter, not that they have some specific practical purpose. Creating a grand challenge that couches our human need to know in industrial-age garb is intellectually dishonest. So this comes off the list. We will invent what needs to be invented to answer the questions we need to answer, regardless if the source of the need is practical or philosophical.
So this leaves me with four grand challenges.
- Develop sustainable energy
- Create models for sustainable living
- Maximize healthy human life-spans
- Create better ways to represent, store and retrieve knowledge
When we look back at the Moon launch, we don’t see leaders talking about building big rocket ships or small, thin, gangling landing craft with undersized computers. We hear and see vision with specific goals and time frames, not methods. NASA battled internally. Apollo was not the only way to reach the moon, it was the way that we kludged our way to the moon. That is how engineering works. That is how evolution works. These challenges are over-thought because they aren’t grand and visionary; they are specific and boring, they eliminate degrees of intellectual movement by their narrowness.
I want to see some vision from our leaders, some unshackling of human capital and financial capital that doesn’t contain micromanagement from the start, but rather a broad goal with a lot of room for invention, and a lot of room for failure. If we don’t fail, we don’t learn. Perhaps it isn’t just the abstraction that is the problem with these grand challenges, but the sense that we don’t have room to fail. Who wants to sign up for a big challenge where efficiency and expediency is more important than breaking through a barrier to knowledge that takes us to the next level of human achievement?
From an e-mail I received from Ray Kurzweil, Oct. 7, 2010:
Thanks, Dan,
I agree with what you write. Larry Page and I pushed solar energy as an existence proof that a path to sustainable environmentally friendly (admittedly redundant) energy was feasible. I agree that a solution does not need to be solar and indeed we are likely to have a hybrid approach. Larry is personally enthusiastic about geothermal. There is, after all, a vast supply of heat energy not far from us under the ground. I am dubious about fusion, which was one of the recommendations of the report. For one thing, it is not a technology that is obviously amenable to exponential approaches. But it had its strong proponents on the committee.
The purpose of reverse-engineering the human brain is so that we understood its principles of operation with a view towards leveraging those principles to create better AI. In the same way that engineering took Bernoulli’s principle and created the whole world of aviation, we can do with the basic methods of the brain. So the idea is to expand our toolkit of algorithms. There are two other objectives as well, which are to find better ways of fixing the brain (treating it as a network rather than a chemical soup) and gaining more insight into ourselves, which is the ultimate objective of the arts and sciences.
My response to Ray:
Thanks for the note. As I wrote in my book, Rethinking Smart Objects, I agree with the idea of understanding the algorithms from the brain, but we risk simply creating a sub-par emulator in hardware, rather than looking at the combination of the evolutionary model and the engineering model, and not stopping where evolution has taken us, but allowing the machine, using artificial life approaches, to evolve mechanisms that may be better than what the human brain has accomplished (and at a much faster rate). I discuss the color blue in the closing of the book, and say that the color blue has a unique meaning to each human. Who are we to define what blue means to an artificial intelligence? We should figure out how we can allow it to define blue for itself.
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Comments (11)
by Editor
Interesting comments on thermodynamics. Some relevant reports here — I’m wondering which models are the most rigorous? http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=global+terrestrial+thermodynamics&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=1
by eschatologist
That is correct. Any non-trivial thought about sustainability will run into the simplest of problems: What energy source creates no new problems?
Solar power takes up space for plants. Wind power is interrupted. Nuclear creates radiation and coal and oil create CO2 and other nasty byproducts.
People look to nuclear fusion…. the “devil we don’t know”. In fact, we happen to know what fusion will do.
Picture a lake and above it a dome with a large steam turbine.
Picture an H-bomb exploding beneath the lake.
Now you have a working, exothermic, operational, inexpensive fusion power plant. What’s wrong with that?
There’s no energy source to sustain us without killing us. Sustainability on Earth is not only impossible, it is also undesirable. We are life and life wants to expand and reproduce.
by eschatologist
All of these problems boil down to one:
Repeal the second law of thermodynamics.
You can’t “sustain” something forever if entropy increases. Think it through: every energy source creates waste heat that will leak into our habitations, so even if fusion power worked, its inefficiencies would overheat the planet. Also, the sun will eventually go through its lifecycle and expand and cook the Earth. That will kill not only the humans, but all known life even if we aren’t around then.
The only engineering challenge worth doing would be to get ourselves and other life forms off the Earth. Sustaining life is best done through continuous expansion. If we can support ourselves with the minerals and energy of space, such as solar and uranium, life may have a chance to actually continue its lengthy existence. Humans getting off planet may lengthen life’s existence for billions more years, and spread it to billions more places as well.
by Brian H
I’m with Rasmus, here. Micromanaging solutions is born of the same impulse that wants to legislate equality of result. Large inspirations are what drive the most productive minds and efforts.
As for Ray’s skepticism about fusion, I invite him and all others to track LPPpower.com / focusfusion.org . Within about 6 months it is targeting and likely to achieve “scientific breakeven”. Another couple of years or so beyond that to engineer a licenseable prototype design, and cheap aneutronic fusion power at about 1/20 of current best retail capital and operating costs could sweep all the overpriced renewable uneconomic pseudo-solutions from the board, and then begin on conventional sourcing.
The CO2 non-issue will become truly moot, and we can deep-six the efforts to deep-six the world economy by means of carbon controls. Hurrah!
by eschatologist
Sadly, if fusion worked it would only make our problems worse. Why?
Because the second law of thermodynamics essentially requires that fusion will be inefficient, that the inefficiency will increase waste heat, and that the waste heat will spread through the Earth.
In other words, you’ll be cooking the Earth just like having a second stellar source. And in reality, that’s exactly what you would be doing with a fusion power plant, it would act like a second stellar source, located right here on the planet that you were trying to cool. Sorry, but fusion makes the problem worse, not better… just like lighting turning on a 100 watt bulb in an overheated room will make the room even warmer.
The true solution is to move away from the Earth, because if you had a network of living systems they could export and import heat and energy and minerals more efficiently. Any “closed system” will heat up from using energy, so you open the system by expanding into space, and then you keep expanding.
by eschatologist
There’s no reason to be skeptical of the ability of humans to get positive energy from fusion. America could do it one day…
Step one: Put a dome on top of a section of lake, such as lake michigan.
Step two: Put a large scale electrical generator on top of the dome so it can turn the moving steam into electricity quickly.
Step three: Nuke the lake.
You may say “How disturbingly foolish of you.” But you cannot fundamentally do better than this method. Pulse or continuous, the math is the same, and it doesn’t change. You need to get to the critical temperature and you need to harvest the energy. So nuking the lake is a very acceptable subset of the idea.
You’ll create excess radiation (theoretically you could find a clever way to electrically set off a large nuclear reaction.). The larger the nuclear reaction and dome, the higher the efficiency of the process.
And of course you’ll increase the heat of the entire Earth’s surface by a non-trivial amount. If you keep doing it, the Earth will heat up in an unsustainable manner.
And that’s my point, fusion nuclear energy suffers from the same problems every other energy source does: the second law of thermodynamics. I’m not advocating nuking our precious lakes. I’m giving a demonstrative thought experiment, because ANY method of generating fusion power is essentially the same as this “lake of fire” idea.
by tedhowardnz
There is one obvious candidate missing from the list – an enabling technology that would make most of the rest feasible and economic, by altering the substructure of the economic system – and that is: creating a set of machines that can use solar power and local rock to make a copy of themselves, and also produce a basic range of goods and services (like build and maintain housing, water supply, gardens, electric transport networks, communications networks, and education in any discipline). One model possible model is outlined in http://www.solnx.org
We need to think beyond money, which is a measure of scarcity value, not real value (evidence – oxygen is extremely valuable, yet abundant and therefore free). If we think in terms of real values to human beings, and in terms of creating abundance, then building a set of self replicating machines meets a great many objectives. It is not an absolute guarantee of anything, and it is an enabling technology that could bring peace and abundance to every person on the planet – no exceptions.
Still plenty of problems to solve, infinity is like that, particularly a very large infinity that contains and infinite array of infinities within it (which is what possibility space seems to be).
As to reverse engineering the brain, that will only happen when people realize that there are two distinctly different classes of processes in the human mind. There is the simple habitual patterning, then there is “holographic” intuition, which comes from the way certain classes of memory store and retrieve information as interference pattern, rather than as sequential images. The difference is profound, and again appears from my explorations to be potentially infinitely recursive.
If anyone has a cure for melanoma, I would like to hear about it. I running out of bits to be cut out, and still leave enough to function.
by gillammi
According to the Millenium Report (http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-state-of-the-future) some of these areas are already information technologies and have identifiable trends, some exponential. For example, there are areas where the trend is already “winning” like solar power which appears virtually inevitable given current trends. In contrast, there are areas where humanity is “losing” such as the increase in CO2, decrease in voting population, increase in corruption, increase in terrorism, and increase in homicides.
Kurzweil’s trending graphs have shown that even World War I and II had negligible impact on the progress of technology once it was information based. As opposed to proposing that humanity’s grand challenges exist in areas where the trend appears already to be relentless in the right direction, could we perhaps propose that humanity’s “grand challenge” is to tackle areas where the curve is bending in the wrong direction – and to find a way to bend it back? Bending back humanity’s relentless disengagement from the political process, increasing corruption, increasing CO2 levels and the other trends in the Millenium report could be a grand achievement for humanity.
by dwrasmus
I was trying to address the issues you point out by broadening the topics so they can act as containers for multiple solutions. Although we may be “winning at solar” it isn’t clear to me that solar, as we have it now, is the best approach. Alternatives might include technology with more domestic content. If we don’t worry about nationalism, then we should worry about efficiency and sustainability in the manufacturing of the technology, which means that even though we can power houses entirely by solar power, the processes leading to the panels, the batteries and other supporting technologies may not be optimal. We need to step back from point engineering solutions and look at the economic and environmental ecosystem associated with the impact of any “solution.”
by Grismar
Although I agree that the underlying problems are to “Develop sustainable energy”, “Create models for sustainable living” and – in my opinion – to a lesser degree “Maximize healthy human life-spans” and “Create better ways to represent, store and retrieve knowledge”. But you can combine the first into the second again. And then you can finish the exercise by combining them all in a whopping “Improve stuff”.
I think putting a focus on concrete goals, sometimes complementary, sometimes multiple approaches to the same problem (as with solar and fusion) adds to the direction research might be taking. Nothing is really gained by generalizing these, unless you feel truly important options are being overlooked at the moment, or time is wasted on research in hopeless directions?
by dwrasmus
I think this needs to be a hierarchy of concepts. I combined up in order to create a context. I agree, and say that in my post, that we must be concrete to develop passion, but we must also not be so narrow that we lose the context for the economic, social and environmental ecosystems that narrow solutions provide. Look at Hungary. Aluminum is a great metal with a messy refining process. Creating a metal that allows for easy recycling could be considered a narrow win. We now know that the totality of that process is far from environmental safe. So if we invent something, it needs to ratchet up to higher level concepts like sustainability, so we don’t create solutions that generate the next, or bigger, issues than the problem they intended to solve.