I see this as a future line for a.i.
A sort of unbiquitous intelligence signal?
can life exist like radio waves in the air?
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Mnemomeme
Membersilentrage, clearly the universe exists, and since everything in it is such a manifestation of potential, then yes of course we already exist as complex fluctuations of potential in the... we need a better word than "matrix" for this concept. If I say "matrix" it sounds like I'm talking about computational theory, but I'm not, I'm just talking about the overlapping membranes of time/space and gravity... damnit... friggin revisionists... the Pathos, there we go. Our logos transsubstantiates through pathos into gnosis and we are homoiousian of deos where ka and ba meet... screw it. You know what I mean.
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Mnemomeme
MemberThat guy who did that thing on the TEDtalks a while back with the whoozit and the whatchamabob is working on the massless capacitance field, right? Maybe that's the first step towards nonphysical computation?
you remember, this guy... was only a little bit ago, everyone was talking about it
http://youtu.be/rsuB-6-n-MMPosted 3 months ago # -
can life exist like radio waves in the air?
Yes, I and many others do, and also as a Human body (or other combinations) flowing together as 1 mind, as anyone who has practiced "out of body experiences" and other metaphysical skills knows. In some ways, and usually only a little, it feels like the world around the body is another part of the body. Its more accurate to call it the unresearched patterns of reality that are interpreted as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particle than to call it radio waves but its almost the same idea since everything is waves. Here's some threads where I explained the more math and science related parts of how it all fits together:
http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums/topic/is-uploading-the-best-option
http://sourceforge.net/projects/physicsmata
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKJGb4RNRB4 "psi wheel in a clear closed box 2"
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Its a fact that all known life is made of waves, as we know from quantum physics experiments like double-slit. Are you talking about specific wavelengths (or inversely, frequencies) as "radio"? I don't see the importance of such details to the question of this thread. Gravity waves, quantum superposition waves, color waves... They're all the same kind of wave with different shapes and sizes. Any kind of wave can be transformed to any other kind of wave with advanced enough math, so the kind of waves a radio picks up could, in some unusual and hard to understand form, contain any kind of life. You might call it a parallel reality, but like any other parallel reality, intersecting all others in some way.
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Spud100
MemberIts a question worth answering. It has been covered in a couple of venues. The move, Species, which transmits an aggressive life that transmits and then re-composes itself via radio. The species uses promises of cheap energy via methane production, but its really a sort of colonization. A better example is Rudy Ruckers Saucer Wisdom, which a smart starfish species broadcasts copies of itself into space, to visit other worlds as tourists. The broadcast contains an equation that unarchives a flying saucer to fly around in. Rucker always was a great writer.
Realistically, the closest thing that seems possible is an idea by Freeman Dyson where life later in the universe makes itself into electron-positron combinations that are alive and intelligent. Living on in the cold waste that our universe becomes, slower and slower thinking...slower. Some 10 years ago there was a quick mumble in a Edge article by Lee Smolin which referred to life somehow weaving itself into spacetime. Smolin never really elaborated so I would put that one into the 86 file. There's the 53 year old scifi novel by Fred Hoyle, the Black Cloud about a smart Black Cloud hovering about the solar system, and accidentally threatening the earth, but that is prolly off topic.
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infomagician
MemberWe are all made of particles so we are kind of wavy then too i guess ! I think what spud is saying is cool but if intelligent life, more intelligent then we are know, makes ectron- positron combination that are indeed life and beam that in a wave, i don't see how it would be aware of itself?? It wouldn't have any defined location in space of time for that matter and if we did locate it then it would just pop out of existence !
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silentrage
MemberI don't think it's off topic at all. A russian astrophysicists came up with the hypothesis that interstellar plasma and/or dust can spontaneously form double helical structures that display the ability to hold rudimentary information and self-replicate in space. Plasma in the laboratory can do the same thing, and can also trap impurities in little membranes like cellular immune systems.
This is not to say that plasma or dust can be intelligent, but that the forces of nature that shape all matter somehow has a tendency to shape a variety of it into self-replicating structures, so perhaps this tendency is built into the fundamental laws of the universe itself and that life is actually substrate independent.Posted 3 months ago # -
purpose
MemberIn my view at a bare minimum "life" requires at least one type gauge boson (e.g. photons) and one type of particle with inertial mass (fermions, e.g. electrons). In practice however the fermions need to be stable enough (self sustaining) over time to allow complex behavior to form and this tends not to be the case for pure photon/electron mixtures (i.e. electro-magnetism) even though such mixtures are ideal from a computational richness perspective. I suspect this is why brains evolved early on to rely on electro-magnetism, forming neuron to EMF feedback systems, regulating realtime global memory and computation.
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purpose, do you have some reason to think the entire Standard Model of physics can't be encoded into the interactions of any arbitrary kind of wave? With advanced enough math, any 2 kinds of wave can be translated to eachother.
Its a fact that, except for possibly the infinite part, our laws of physics are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_complete which means they are capable of calculating anything that can be calculated eventually, as proven by the fact that computers are built inside our laws of physics and computers are that way. Since the laws of physics are Turing Complete, it does not make sense to look for any kind of lesser limits in them.
Since we know the laws of physics can calculate anything that can be calculated and they are made of waves (as are the total of all possibilities of math which flow together in wave patterns), it makes the most sense to think of it all as general waves and the Standard Model as specific examples of them.
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purpose
Memberpurpose, do you have some reason to think the entire Standard Model of physics can't be encoded into the interactions of any arbitrary kind of wave? With advanced enough math, any 2 kinds of wave can be translated to eachother.
That is not the issue. I assume that all of reality is in fact reducible to a singular universal wave-function, which fully accounts for the sum-total superposition of all possibilities. The problem is such a wave would be indistinguishable from reality itself and thus wouldn't be of much use as a description for life.
The reason I propose that at minimum one type gauge boson and one type fermion is required for any definition of life is simple. Fermion's cannot self-interact without a force carrier (gauge bosons). In effect the fermions perturb a continuous field (represented by the type of gauge boson) and these perturbations have a local effect in the form of altering the internal states and relationships between the fermions, while also disrupting the otherwise uniform and continuous field. As a rough example consider our solar system, where the sun and the planets are types of Fermions and Gravity is the gauge boson mediating the changes between them; also, by mediating the gravity+spacetime field is perturbed in a local, but non-finite manner.
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Spacetime is curved in simple circle patterns as described by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_factor which is the equation of a circle of radius 1. There are also circles in many quantum physics equations. A particle/wave moving through spacetime spreads out in bell curve patterns, which also have circles in their equations when combined with other bell curves. Spacetime is relative. It appears that spacetime is made of particles/waves and their relationships to eachother.
You say at least 2 things, 1 to carry between the other, are needed for life. Radio waves move through spacetime. That's 2 things.
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purpose
MemberYou say at least 2 things, 1 to carry between the other, are needed for life. Radio waves move through spacetime. That's 2 things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation
"Electromagnetic radiation (EM radiation or EMR) is a form of energy emitted and absorbed by charged particles, which exhibits wave-like behavior as it travels through space. EMR has both electric and magnetic field components, which oscillate in phase perpendicular to each other and perpendicular to the direction of energy and wave propagation. In vacuum, electromagnetic radiation propagates at a characteristic speed, the speed of light.
EMR carries energy - sometimes called radiant energy - and both momentum and angular momentum. These may be imparted to matter with which it interacts. EMR is produced from other types of energy when created, and it is converted to other types of energy when it is destroyed. The photon is the quantum of the electromagnetic interaction, and is the basic "unit" or constituent of all forms of EMR. The quantum nature of light becomes more apparent at high frequencies (or high photon energy). Such photons behave more like particles than lower-frequency photons do."
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say. But about the interchangibility of different kinds of waves in general:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_black_hole
A sonic black hole (sometimes called a dumb hole) is a phenomenon in which phonons (sound perturbations) are unable to escape from a fluid that is flowing more quickly than the local speed of sound. They are called sonic, or acoustic, black holes because these trapped phonons are analogous to light in astrophysical (gravitational) black holes. Physicists are interested in them because they have many properties similar to astrophysical black holes and, in particular, are predicted to emit a phononic version of Hawking radiation. The border of a sonic black hole, at which the flow speed changes from being greater than the speed of sound to less than the speed of sound, is called the event horizon. At this point the wavelength of phonons approaches zero.[citation needed]
Sonic black holes are possible because phonons in perfect fluids exhibit the same properties of motion as fields, such as gravity, in space and time.[1] For this reason, a system in which a sonic black hole can be created is called a gravity analogue. Nearly any fluid can be used to create an acoustic event horizon, but the viscosity of most fluids creates random motion[citation needed] that makes features like Hawking radiation nearly impossible to detect.
This doesn't completely make sense to me, but its an interesting theory.
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