As we will be able to reproduce without genital contact and get more pleasure from superpowers, I cant see a place for sex.
It has bound us together tribally/culturally and given us life, but it's defunct I think?
The advent of Superintelligence as post human recursive A.I,. should be here in 5 years (2017).
It MUST logically come very fast and change everything in a matter of hours at most.
Razor
Member
Whaaaat? No sex. But the thing I'm looking forward to most is modding by body so I have 47 penises, all of which will be 17 inches long and capable of spewing gallons of my boiling seed over a dozen ladies with 57JJ breasts.
Can I not have this one simple pleasure?
What nonsense. Read 'Touching:The human significance of skin' numerous case studies demonstrating a relationship between touch deprivation and mental and physical illness, and the many ways in which loving, physical contact is vital if the body is to regulate itself.
Only in a world where anything and everything meaningful to human existence is eradicated would sex ever go obsolete. But I suppose the link between sex and reproduction might be severed.
Razor's seed is useless if it is boiling. The reason being, sperm must be kept at room temperature. That is why men's balls are not tucked away from harm inside the body.
asimov1
Member
@ Extropia DaSilva
life is abundant in hot sulphurous springs.....Extreme Genetic Modification may require acid proof wellingtons ! lol
not to sure about the externalisation of male genitalia....possibly a bottleneck after the KT event , and enlarged gonads may have been used as part of a sexual display mechanism. That genetic particular trait may have accidentally got locked in ( mammals only have 7 neck bones , a possible lock in due to anti cancer genes on the same stretch of dna )
Its reversible , marine mammals are streamlined. But must maintain a high internal body temperature in order to function. No doubt extra pain sensors deployed to that region in land mammals as a precautionary measure, lol. .....nature doesn't do perfect......sometimes a genetic band aid is easier to apply than major re engineering. Female hips and orifices could do with some re fenestration. Did you know female hyenas give birth through their penis ! http://curiouscox.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/the-spotted-hyenas-she-penis/
Given time and evolutionary pressure genital retraction and even body armour can be applied.
.
.
.
The ideal female form would be short fat and stumpy with very wide hips. But as we are antlike societal tool users a wide variety of body and mind combinations gives us most flexibility. Even in a static environment we would maintain some degree of diversity just as any bodies vary. This should be taught in schools, diversity has fak all to do with being fair or nice....et has everything to do with survival and adaptability. However the mind learns by 'normalisation' of noisy data. Its easier to spot a human if you have an average mental model of a human as a reference point.
The error of large schools results in a mental monoculture which is actually bad for future societal performance. A great deal of human talent and ability is accidentally suppressed. Leading to very sheepish behaviour, high levels of conflict as status is perceived to come from vertical rather than horizontal stratification....em the correct solution is mostly horizontal stratification. The Taxi driver and streetsweeper almost as valuable to society as a doctor or lawyer.
In india they have a caste system, its not perfect but it does ensure that talented individuals are locked in to every walk of life. The rush to the top in western societies leaves us with a lot of cowboys and bureaucrats who do more harm than good. Despite the increased flexibility only a small % of western employees actually end up doing the right kind of job for them. Here the rapid de-industrialization has left a whole generation communication savvy but utterly clueless when it comes to spanner work......indeed the tosh that's posted on this forum is a prime example of cognitive skewing of society.
Sexual selection of high utility individuals often absent in booming populations.....anything goes, and it often does, this boosts diversity , more brands in the fire, so when the population crash comes what remains of the population tends to be a good fit to the new environment. Even booms and busts have their value.
touch is data transmission and reception.
Lately we've been able to intercept signals from the senses..sight and hearing at least, and replace those signals direct to the brain.
It seems the senses using different signals to different parts of the brain.
Skin is a sensor to the environment part of which is others.
'Others' have been very important to one human brain, solely because they provided data and also grouped for denfense.
But data is pretty much everything and its a loop survival~~~>data~~~~>survival
survive to get data to survive
I guess it depends what you want to do.
Choices are going to mushroom in the next 5 years.
Waves of people are going to zoom into space, the rich first who've taken up new technologies.
Some form of interplanetary law will be attempted but i doubt it could be enforceable.
We're not just going into outerspace, we're building universes bubbles off the Membranes.
I've long suspected 10 billion human organisms = one limpit organism.
Whole new ball game in the Cosmos when we 'hatch' in A.I.'s
When we talk about sperm, I always remember the opening segment of the movie "Look Who's Talking": uncountable sperm racing toward the egg, and the Dave Clark Five playing "Catch us if you can".
Spud has a point. Since the man needs marriage to ensure he raises the right seed, the woman ca n wait almost indefinitely after marriage, because she's guranteed 50% of the genes however she goes about her sexual practice. Marriage to a respectable man sets her free to get the right genetic make-up for her child. It only takes a few minutes and one random choice.... That's why God is an all knowing male.
One of the thi ngs that surprised me after returing from the marines, possessed of a 250 lb weightlifter's body, was the number of married women who would leave their notes on my car windshield with arrangements for clandestine meetings. I was getting so many i nvites I though abut putting a sign on my car: "Whorehopping: Reasonable rates". Some of the married men were considering a shotgun wedding just to get me out of circulation. Strangely, I never took advantage of any offers because i had no desire to cheat my fellow man. I figured karma is a motherfucker.
Besides, the marines had taught me there was no use in fighting over women, when you could just shoot the men and screw the women at will, Vietnam style.
Since sex is primarily a product that protects the immune system, men get too carried away with developng means of pwer that allows their immune system to be protected by social organization, especially if the men have a lot of money. Money and power are great extensions of the immune system.
Several years ago I had a starring role in a local production of an old Broadway musical (Frank Butler, 'Annie Get Your Gun'), and there was this really fine blond woman in the cast. Her husband was Army ranger, paratrooper, Silver Star from Vietnam, etc, and nomi nated for the Medal of Honor. He was rich, powerful, and fucking crazy. However, I could match him in the fucking crazy category.
Being suspicious of my close relations with his wife in the play, he took an opportunity to actually stand beside me with his head over mine, the way dominant dogs will stand over the backs of other dogs. I started laughing.
"What's so fucking funny? " he snarled
"Your breath stinks, asshole. Or is that your ass I smell from your breath hole?"
What we both knew about each other is that neither of us had any fear of grabbing a gun and blowing the other away. Realizing he couldn't intimidate, he left me alone. The problem was that hs wife then began to cry on my shoulder abut how she was being abused in his jealousy. I told her that wasn't my problem, she should see a therapist. No more problems there.
If it wasn't for sex, what would we do for fun?
I think it was the author Jerzy Kozinski, who emigrated from Poland in the 1960s to the USA who said
something like. " The most intriguing thing about the US is that unlike the totalitarian Soviet Union and Eastern Bloc in the US at least there
is the chance of sex, unbridled, free wheeling, assymetrical, polymorphously perverse sex" Such things
never happen in a highly regimented totalitarian state,like Poland except occasionally for those at the very top,
and often then, they end up dying for it.
Go into politics in the US however these days, and you aint gettin much.
As always I could be wrong.
Redakteur
Member
Since sex is primarily a product that protects the immune system, [...]
To: doojie
Sir,
Do I understand you correctly? In a different thread, you advanced the theory that sexual reproduction had evolved in order to make species more resistent to infection (i.e., to strengthen the immune systems of the offspring).
(Forgive me if I am distorting your position.)
Do I understand correctly that you are now also positing that the sex act, itself, somehow enhances the immune system of the individuals engaging in it?
(Extropia DaSilva refers to a book which would appear to support this supposition.)
Isn't that what is referred to as a "two-fer?"
Regards,
Redakteur, I merely point to the Red Queen hypothesis, together with the recently discovdered point that asexually producing cellular forms tend to fall to attacks by viruses more quickly than sexually reproduced cellular systems. While sexual reproduiction does generate diversity, giving it that advantage over cloned or asexual forms, it also operateds with a fixed species selection process that evolved from mating rituals based on territory. Our own rituals seem to have evolved in the same direction(see Daniel Dennett, "Breaking The Spell") and have evolved into elaborately developed "immune" processes to aid our continual reproduction.
It is my tongue in cheek contention from above that men act to protect their sexual investment as an extension of their own immune system, since they cannot guarantee the 50% geneitc endowment that automatically comes to the female. Men are stronger, men make war, men show their "tail feathers" and strut like peacocks because thir sexual investment, like all such males, requires attention getting tricks, not the least of which is wealth and power. Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac, as i think Kissinger pointed out.
It would seem to be self evident that power is a means of controlling one's sexual investments best, as well as maintaining "immunity" against encorachments from others in regard to chosen women.
Do I understand correctly that you are now also positing that the sex act, itself, somehow enhances the immune system of the individuals engaging in it?
Marriage is a process by which cultural limitations are placed on births, and religion is yet another extension of that cultural limitation. I wrote the story of myu life experiences above because I do not hold with any form of organized religion, yet i do not believe in violating a marriage. I was surrprised at the number of women who DO claim to believe in the religious taboos, yet were willing to engage in coitus with me on the sly.
I found this disturbing because i was raised by my great grandmother, who died in 1961 nearly 100 years old. She could almost remember the Civil War. My great great grandfather fought at Gettysburg. At that time, women regarded themselves as guardians of virtue, and my great grandmother was very strict regarding sex outside of marriage. It was a bit of a culture clash for me.
From an evolutionary perspective, what causes this willingness of successfully married("successfully" meaning from an economic/social perspective) to seek coitus with someone who simply screws them and walks away?
Does this suggest that the rules which formerly protected fitness is somehow insufficient to ensure that fitness?
{i}Pan~
Member
What nonsense. Read 'Touching:The human significance of skin' numerous case studies demonstrating a relationship between touch deprivation and mental and physical illness, and the many ways in which loving, physical contact is vital if the body is to regulate itself.Only in a world where anything and everything meaningful to human existence is eradicated would sex ever go obsolete. But I suppose the link between sex and reproduction might be severed.
At what point do we stop calling it sex and start calling it something else?
{i}Pan~
Member
On second thought, what may happen is that we will need to adapt to having sex with post-singular alien beings.
Doojie's thoughts on immunity lead me there, because at some point, we achieve full immunity from our environment. We finish what we started. We perfect our form here. We master our environment, utterly and completely.
At that point, we are our environment. This, I suppose, is when the entire planet becomes computronium. Or we become the World Brain, or Global Village, or whatever.
When the planet transforms into the Gaian Superorganism. Or whatever, so on and so forth.
At that point, this entire place is our "body", our "insides". Having sex, at least as we conceive of it now, doesn't make sense.
But, perhaps the practice will be extended then to other civilizations that remain "outside" us. Like aliens. Or something.
Doojie's thoughts on immunity lead me there, because at some point, we achieve full immunity from our environment. We finish what we started. We perfect our form here. We master our environment, utterly and completely.
It is possible we will destroy our capacity for an immune respo nse via technology.
You must log in to post. If you haven't created an account yet, click here.
