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		<title>By: eklesia</title>
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		<dc:creator>eklesia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 17:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there. Some interesting points. But I must add that the use of the word &#039;slitty eyes&#039; for Chinese persons or their Gods is considered racist language. Now I would presume a highly intelligent and educated person would know that. So I can only presume they don&#039;t care. 

Secondly the construction of machines where logic must rule doesn&#039;t create a set outcome. Switch them off. They run on electricity unless they create a network of bots to ensure they run. So I say again, switch em off. Watch the film Eagle Eye. Humans are nothing if not inventive about killing man or machines. But yes, if a Government was seen to be developing these as a global weapon of control and enslavement and it was public, then yes, I could well imagine wars (more revolutions) would ensue. 

And a key point in Theism glossed over, well more accurately ignored, is the idea of self help. God in these arguments can interfere but doesn&#039;t. For example, when we cry - &#039;why did you do that&#039;? He replies - &#039;why did you&#039;? People are supposed to learn how to stand up for right and to help others on an immediately local scale and a global one without constantly running to a parent God to sort things out we can&#039;t be bothered to. Whether you agree with this idea or not is irrelevant because the theory is what&#039;s being discussed and this argument is a cornerstone of much Theist theory. If you think about it, the idea that God interferes left right and center, making bad people stop, lifting (like the Ancient Greek Gods) a person physically out of harm every minute of the day, makes us small children in a kindergarten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there. Some interesting points. But I must add that the use of the word &#8216;slitty eyes&#8217; for Chinese persons or their Gods is considered racist language. Now I would presume a highly intelligent and educated person would know that. So I can only presume they don&#8217;t care. </p>
<p>Secondly the construction of machines where logic must rule doesn&#8217;t create a set outcome. Switch them off. They run on electricity unless they create a network of bots to ensure they run. So I say again, switch em off. Watch the film Eagle Eye. Humans are nothing if not inventive about killing man or machines. But yes, if a Government was seen to be developing these as a global weapon of control and enslavement and it was public, then yes, I could well imagine wars (more revolutions) would ensue. </p>
<p>And a key point in Theism glossed over, well more accurately ignored, is the idea of self help. God in these arguments can interfere but doesn&#8217;t. For example, when we cry &#8211; &#8216;why did you do that&#8217;? He replies &#8211; &#8216;why did you&#8217;? People are supposed to learn how to stand up for right and to help others on an immediately local scale and a global one without constantly running to a parent God to sort things out we can&#8217;t be bothered to. Whether you agree with this idea or not is irrelevant because the theory is what&#8217;s being discussed and this argument is a cornerstone of much Theist theory. If you think about it, the idea that God interferes left right and center, making bad people stop, lifting (like the Ancient Greek Gods) a person physically out of harm every minute of the day, makes us small children in a kindergarten.</p>
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		<title>By: K. Mapson</title>
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		<dc:creator>K. Mapson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 05:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It follows that the next step in the evolution of theological thought is the step from Deism to Pandeism (pantheistic deism, the deistic Creator is itself the Creation); reflected in Duke University physicist Robert G. Brown&#039;s &#039;A Theorem Concerning God&#039; (available here -- http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Philosophy/god_theorem/god_theorem/god_theorem.html) which fairly mathematically demonstrates that any &#039;God&#039; which exists must be a pandeistic entity. The reconciliation of Pantheism and Deism into Pandeism is the Copernican Revolution, the E=MC2, of theology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It follows that the next step in the evolution of theological thought is the step from Deism to Pandeism (pantheistic deism, the deistic Creator is itself the Creation); reflected in Duke University physicist Robert G. Brown&#8217;s &#8216;A Theorem Concerning God&#8217; (available here &#8212; <a href="http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Philosophy/god_theorem/god_theorem/god_theorem.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Philosophy/god_theorem/god_theorem/god_theorem.html</a>) which fairly mathematically demonstrates that any &#8216;God&#8217; which exists must be a pandeistic entity. The reconciliation of Pantheism and Deism into Pandeism is the Copernican Revolution, the E=MC2, of theology.</p>
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		<title>By: Salah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 12:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a naive article.  There is a very delicate balance between God&#039;s sphere of influence and that of human. There is a God and there is human misery and suffering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a naive article.  There is a very delicate balance between God&#8217;s sphere of influence and that of human. There is a God and there is human misery and suffering.</p>
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		<title>By: atinfinatum</title>
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		<dc:creator>atinfinatum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rather welcome artilects as a terrm that describes a frighteningly awesome artificial intelligence that might span the entire solar system once fully developed. Its intellect will be truly boundless and ever growing. AI is just a general term that is for any intelligence that is artificial. Kind of like saying android and robot, a robot can be any automaton that has been built and programmed to do any kind of narrow task. But when we think android its usually a very human like adaptation in robotics. Similarly Artilects are not just your average run of the mill AI, but a godlike trillions upon trillions in order of magnitude intelligence to a human brain. Of truly staggering proportions and able to even theoretically manipulate time and space itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rather welcome artilects as a terrm that describes a frighteningly awesome artificial intelligence that might span the entire solar system once fully developed. Its intellect will be truly boundless and ever growing. AI is just a general term that is for any intelligence that is artificial. Kind of like saying android and robot, a robot can be any automaton that has been built and programmed to do any kind of narrow task. But when we think android its usually a very human like adaptation in robotics. Similarly Artilects are not just your average run of the mill AI, but a godlike trillions upon trillions in order of magnitude intelligence to a human brain. Of truly staggering proportions and able to even theoretically manipulate time and space itself.</p>
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		<title>By: eldras</title>
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		<dc:creator>eldras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great article Hugo thanks.

Re: deity, as indeed like Nick Bostrom&#039;s simulation argument, where is the proof for either  a creator or that we are in a simulation?


Not a scrap of evidence for either.

Weightings seem high for me that we will annihilate ourselves as we get massive powers.

Most H+ projections assume the man in the street will get access to intelligent machines trillions of  times human brain power in a couple  of decades.

But with that comes the power to destroy the world.

I see no way of stopping that, and it may be a  cosmic law of patternation that intelligences rise and self-destruct.

My way out is to win the AGI race and neutralise and limit intelligent systems.

It probably isn&#039;t possible and we are at the end of a good run of a genetic algorithm called life.


Wars may happen as you describe, but they should be amazingly quick if accelerating returns holds.

I give us 30 years tops and hope to suspend myself privately in a &#039;man who awoke&#039; capsule to send out a signal every 100,000 years and hopefully get rescued by another race if one exists in an infinite universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great article Hugo thanks.</p>
<p>Re: deity, as indeed like Nick Bostrom&#8217;s simulation argument, where is the proof for either  a creator or that we are in a simulation?</p>
<p>Not a scrap of evidence for either.</p>
<p>Weightings seem high for me that we will annihilate ourselves as we get massive powers.</p>
<p>Most H+ projections assume the man in the street will get access to intelligent machines trillions of  times human brain power in a couple  of decades.</p>
<p>But with that comes the power to destroy the world.</p>
<p>I see no way of stopping that, and it may be a  cosmic law of patternation that intelligences rise and self-destruct.</p>
<p>My way out is to win the AGI race and neutralise and limit intelligent systems.</p>
<p>It probably isn&#8217;t possible and we are at the end of a good run of a genetic algorithm called life.</p>
<p>Wars may happen as you describe, but they should be amazingly quick if accelerating returns holds.</p>
<p>I give us 30 years tops and hope to suspend myself privately in a &#8216;man who awoke&#8217; capsule to send out a signal every 100,000 years and hopefully get rescued by another race if one exists in an infinite universe.</p>
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		<title>By: georgeen</title>
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		<dc:creator>georgeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree in some points. the god who create this universe is not necessarily an artificial entity (artillect) could be a naturally developed intelligence. About the destruction of the humanity, I don&#039;t know why is the way always. Is like all pseudo-scientist see the humanity as a plague when not all humans are (maybe some of our leathers and governments) plague. And other think that Dr. de Garis forget is that even for humans beings can be improved via genetics and don&#039;t know the fully potential of that path, maybe their artificial deity be actually a super human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree in some points. the god who create this universe is not necessarily an artificial entity (artillect) could be a naturally developed intelligence. About the destruction of the humanity, I don&#8217;t know why is the way always. Is like all pseudo-scientist see the humanity as a plague when not all humans are (maybe some of our leathers and governments) plague. And other think that Dr. de Garis forget is that even for humans beings can be improved via genetics and don&#8217;t know the fully potential of that path, maybe their artificial deity be actually a super human.</p>
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		<title>By: georgeen</title>
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		<dc:creator>georgeen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The kill tendency of humans is a misconception that is created by the capitalism. There is no-violence societies (of course not capitalist) were the resources are for human life not for luxury or profit. The majority of war has being for lack of resources (mongol invasion was for tough weather conditions that lead them to kill themselves and then the China invasion because China was prosperous and full of food). So we need a superior intelligenmce even to solve the capitalism problem creates and I don&#039;t think that artilects kill people for lack of resources that they don&#039;t need maybe they help to solve the problem (I think is already solved). Anyway we as humans has the opportunity to control how much intelligence our AI will have. But even with big AI is there a limit for the intelligence?. where is the awareness? which of them is most important?. And at the end of the day our AI must manage some morality, or cirterion what ever you want to called it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The kill tendency of humans is a misconception that is created by the capitalism. There is no-violence societies (of course not capitalist) were the resources are for human life not for luxury or profit. The majority of war has being for lack of resources (mongol invasion was for tough weather conditions that lead them to kill themselves and then the China invasion because China was prosperous and full of food). So we need a superior intelligenmce even to solve the capitalism problem creates and I don&#8217;t think that artilects kill people for lack of resources that they don&#8217;t need maybe they help to solve the problem (I think is already solved). Anyway we as humans has the opportunity to control how much intelligence our AI will have. But even with big AI is there a limit for the intelligence?. where is the awareness? which of them is most important?. And at the end of the day our AI must manage some morality, or cirterion what ever you want to called it.</p>
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		<title>By: lpace11</title>
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		<dc:creator>lpace11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 02:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how does a creator artilect, create a universe outside their own universe, and outside a multiverse.  Isn&#039;t a set of universes simply the known multi- universe?

Your logic does not acknowledge that there is an origin or first universe and therefore the possibility of both original deity and original theity.
_____________________________

The obvious question then arises, “Is it possible that our universe was designed by some artilect in some other universe?” .....
....This “creator artilect” would then satisfy the definition of a deity, i.e., a creator of our universe. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how does a creator artilect, create a universe outside their own universe, and outside a multiverse.  Isn&#8217;t a set of universes simply the known multi- universe?</p>
<p>Your logic does not acknowledge that there is an origin or first universe and therefore the possibility of both original deity and original theity.<br />
_____________________________</p>
<p>The obvious question then arises, “Is it possible that our universe was designed by some artilect in some other universe?” &#8230;..<br />
&#8230;.This “creator artilect” would then satisfy the definition of a deity, i.e., a creator of our universe. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: absoluteinfinity</title>
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		<dc:creator>absoluteinfinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another note: the human population is in a state of exponential growth as well. This will not continue forever, as the earth does nit carry the resources. These resources are necessary for robotic survival and reproduction as well. Since it seems that the exponential growth of technology is an extension of evolution, competition for resources and survival of the fittest are two concepts which would support a conscious logical decision for a supreme intelligence to cut the human population, since they lack the biological emotions which stop us from killing our parents at the first moment of capability and conflict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another note: the human population is in a state of exponential growth as well. This will not continue forever, as the earth does nit carry the resources. These resources are necessary for robotic survival and reproduction as well. Since it seems that the exponential growth of technology is an extension of evolution, competition for resources and survival of the fittest are two concepts which would support a conscious logical decision for a supreme intelligence to cut the human population, since they lack the biological emotions which stop us from killing our parents at the first moment of capability and conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: absoluteinfinity</title>
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		<dc:creator>absoluteinfinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(artificially) augmented humans will have more control over their tools than a vastly supreme intelligence would. Subjecting oneself to the powers of technology, on top of a million year old biological system, and declaring that one is a peer to artificial intelligence is like comparing a 10 year old pc with the newest update to the brand new model. in addition to the intellectual, emotional, and anthropomorphic inheritances we carry, we will be inferior to a greater intelligence if we are to take on it&#039;s power as our own because it will be able to control our artificial components better than we can, and perhaps in turn control us directly. I am interested to hear your reply, hopefully you will choose to save the arrogant remarks and rely on logic to carry your argument, as your name suggests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(artificially) augmented humans will have more control over their tools than a vastly supreme intelligence would. Subjecting oneself to the powers of technology, on top of a million year old biological system, and declaring that one is a peer to artificial intelligence is like comparing a 10 year old pc with the newest update to the brand new model. in addition to the intellectual, emotional, and anthropomorphic inheritances we carry, we will be inferior to a greater intelligence if we are to take on it&#8217;s power as our own because it will be able to control our artificial components better than we can, and perhaps in turn control us directly. I am interested to hear your reply, hopefully you will choose to save the arrogant remarks and rely on logic to carry your argument, as your name suggests.</p>
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		<title>By: absoluteinfinity</title>
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		<dc:creator>absoluteinfinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humans tend to kill anything that is a threat to survival, even and especially other humans. Conscious intelligence would be aware of human history to the point where our pasts set a precedent of violence and motivated extinction of other species (including our related ancestors). I don&#039;t think it&#039;s safe to assume that artificial intelligence carries morality, for it is a concept which rises from emotional choices versus logical ones.
As I won&#039;t disparage your post as you have done to the author, seeing how unnecessary it is when trying to share a perspective, you make an assumption that augmented</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humans tend to kill anything that is a threat to survival, even and especially other humans. Conscious intelligence would be aware of human history to the point where our pasts set a precedent of violence and motivated extinction of other species (including our related ancestors). I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s safe to assume that artificial intelligence carries morality, for it is a concept which rises from emotional choices versus logical ones.<br />
As I won&#8217;t disparage your post as you have done to the author, seeing how unnecessary it is when trying to share a perspective, you make an assumption that augmented</p>
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		<title>By: Logic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 07:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More silliness from Prof de Garis. I feel like I&#039;m picking on him now. Sorry, prof, but again you make predictions from such a narrow view of the future as to render your argument/premise silly.

One of the implications of your whole essay is that &quot;artilects&quot; (why fabricate a name when AI seems to suit the bill just fine?) will somehow exist alongside unaugmented humans. In fact, I would argue that this is the primary flaw in the core of your thinking (in the articles posted on this site, in the film, and everywhere I&#039;ve seen of your work). What possible motive would your &quot;artilects&quot; have for destroying humanity? I&#039;ve heard an argument elsewhere (though perhaps not by you) that they could squash us like we&#039;d squash ants. But that presupposes we are an irritation, which is the only context human tend to kill ants. This seems incredibly preposterous, for truly conscious machines would conceptually appreciate human beings as their parents. We&#039;re talking about conscious machines, capable of self-reflection and morality. Would you kill your parents for being irritating?

I find the whole deism conversation to be a silly circular debate about nothing. To spend time with it is to assume the role of a hamster on its spinning wheel. And it begins with a fundamental misunderstanding. Your &quot;artilects&quot; will not be walking amongst a world population of today&#039;s humans. They&#039;ll exist in a world of augmented intelligent humans, who will not be their subjects, but rather their peers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More silliness from Prof de Garis. I feel like I&#8217;m picking on him now. Sorry, prof, but again you make predictions from such a narrow view of the future as to render your argument/premise silly.</p>
<p>One of the implications of your whole essay is that &#8220;artilects&#8221; (why fabricate a name when AI seems to suit the bill just fine?) will somehow exist alongside unaugmented humans. In fact, I would argue that this is the primary flaw in the core of your thinking (in the articles posted on this site, in the film, and everywhere I&#8217;ve seen of your work). What possible motive would your &#8220;artilects&#8221; have for destroying humanity? I&#8217;ve heard an argument elsewhere (though perhaps not by you) that they could squash us like we&#8217;d squash ants. But that presupposes we are an irritation, which is the only context human tend to kill ants. This seems incredibly preposterous, for truly conscious machines would conceptually appreciate human beings as their parents. We&#8217;re talking about conscious machines, capable of self-reflection and morality. Would you kill your parents for being irritating?</p>
<p>I find the whole deism conversation to be a silly circular debate about nothing. To spend time with it is to assume the role of a hamster on its spinning wheel. And it begins with a fundamental misunderstanding. Your &#8220;artilects&#8221; will not be walking amongst a world population of today&#8217;s humans. They&#8217;ll exist in a world of augmented intelligent humans, who will not be their subjects, but rather their peers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Quayle.com &#124; The Ruthless Truth blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Quayle.com &#124; The Ruthless Truth blog</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Steve Quayle&#8217;s World: It&#8217;s a Blast! &#124; The Ruthless Truth blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Quayle&#8217;s World: It&#8217;s a Blast! &#124; The Ruthless Truth blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: barkley</title>
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		<dc:creator>barkley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it likely that an artilect who created a universe would not care about it?  Is it likely that that universe would be impervious to harmful viruses from hostile artilects? Is it likely that the artilect who created the universe in question would not be at work correcting the damage being done by those viruses?  Is it likely that there is a genuinilect prior to any artilect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it likely that an artilect who created a universe would not care about it?  Is it likely that that universe would be impervious to harmful viruses from hostile artilects? Is it likely that the artilect who created the universe in question would not be at work correcting the damage being done by those viruses?  Is it likely that there is a genuinilect prior to any artilect?</p>
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		<title>By: akabret</title>
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		<dc:creator>akabret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Feb 2011 18:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually just wrote a blog entry last week, discussing how, if we *were* living in a simulation, that it solves many of science&#039;s most bizarre observations:  Sure, the constants mentioned above, but also Inflation Theory, the speed of light, virtual particles, and even why matter equals energy.  ...And also why science can&#039;t answer it (namely: it doesn&#039;t lead to direct experimental proof, and hence falls outside the domain of science).
I hope it&#039;s okay that I put it here:  http://philoso-rants.blogspot.com/2011/02/answer-science-cant-give.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually just wrote a blog entry last week, discussing how, if we *were* living in a simulation, that it solves many of science&#8217;s most bizarre observations:  Sure, the constants mentioned above, but also Inflation Theory, the speed of light, virtual particles, and even why matter equals energy.  &#8230;And also why science can&#8217;t answer it (namely: it doesn&#8217;t lead to direct experimental proof, and hence falls outside the domain of science).<br />
I hope it&#8217;s okay that I put it here:  <a href="http://philoso-rants.blogspot.com/2011/02/answer-science-cant-give.html" rel="nofollow">http://philoso-rants.blogspot.com/2011/02/answer-science-cant-give.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Conscious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conscious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 04:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never read anything that drew the possibility of a deity from the Strong Anthropic Principle. As far as I can tell its conclusions say much more about the nature of consciousness than any circumstantial &quot;creator.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never read anything that drew the possibility of a deity from the Strong Anthropic Principle. As far as I can tell its conclusions say much more about the nature of consciousness than any circumstantial &#8220;creator.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rocket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you wish to experience a very real form of accelerated intelligence a form of mind training from N. India and Tibet,  25 centuries old called Shamatha with diligence recruits many more brain cells for conscious application to what ever you place your attention on in any moment.  It is a harrrowing ride getting there but it really is akin to having twice as many brain cells at your disposal.  It does this I beleive by making us transparent to the otherwise unconscious and emotionally driven &quot;preoccupation&quot; with matters we tend to sweep under the rug,  wall off in the back of our mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you wish to experience a very real form of accelerated intelligence a form of mind training from N. India and Tibet,  25 centuries old called Shamatha with diligence recruits many more brain cells for conscious application to what ever you place your attention on in any moment.  It is a harrrowing ride getting there but it really is akin to having twice as many brain cells at your disposal.  It does this I beleive by making us transparent to the otherwise unconscious and emotionally driven &#8220;preoccupation&#8221; with matters we tend to sweep under the rug,  wall off in the back of our mind.</p>
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		<title>By: PlayForFood</title>
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		<dc:creator>PlayForFood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isaac Asimov wrote short stories and novels on the interaction between humans and smart machines.  To my knowledge he never wrote how humanity could be become the hyperintelligence, for which I presume was do to the limited understanding in the early years of genetics, neurobiology, computer science. Even today, what coda should human&#039;s follow if we could live a billion years and have unfathomable powers, that would allow use to coexist physically and mentally. Will the universe or M-veses be for us or our brainchildren &quot;memes&quot;. In the near term, I worry less about  machines, and more about greedy politicians, and corporations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isaac Asimov wrote short stories and novels on the interaction between humans and smart machines.  To my knowledge he never wrote how humanity could be become the hyperintelligence, for which I presume was do to the limited understanding in the early years of genetics, neurobiology, computer science. Even today, what coda should human&#8217;s follow if we could live a billion years and have unfathomable powers, that would allow use to coexist physically and mentally. Will the universe or M-veses be for us or our brainchildren &#8220;memes&#8221;. In the near term, I worry less about  machines, and more about greedy politicians, and corporations.</p>
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		<title>By: LATW Episode 4, (January 15-31, 2011) &#171; shahriar</title>
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		<dc:creator>LATW Episode 4, (January 15-31, 2011) &#171; shahriar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 19:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From cosmism to design [...]</description>
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		<title>By: &#187; From cosmism to deism Lukasz Jarochowski</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/from-cosmism-to-deism/comment-page-1#comment-2305</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; From cosmism to deism Lukasz Jarochowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From cosmism to deism. This essay is very interesting and hits on new terms that I have never heard of prior to reading this essay. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] From cosmism to deism. This essay is very interesting and hits on new terms that I have never heard of prior to reading this essay. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Spiritism &#38; the Singularity &#124; ?!</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/from-cosmism-to-deism/comment-page-1#comment-2253</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiritism &#38; the Singularity &#124; ?!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Kurzweil&#8217;s &#8220;computronium&#8221; is not alone in the Singularian lexicon. In his article From Cosmism to Deism, the writer Hugo de Garis uses the term &#8216;artilects&#8217; which he defines as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kurzweil&#8217;s &#8220;computronium&#8221; is not alone in the Singularian lexicon. In his article From Cosmism to Deism, the writer Hugo de Garis uses the term &#8216;artilects&#8217; which he defines as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: saberjim</title>
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		<dc:creator>saberjim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Jan 2011 00:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds a bit like pantheism. I am eagerly awaiting the demise of theism so humans can start being nice to each other and making a decent destiny for our place in this marvelous universe. We can worry about whether anyone is turning the crank or not when we run out of better things to do. Meanwhile you philosophers continue drinking your own bath water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds a bit like pantheism. I am eagerly awaiting the demise of theism so humans can start being nice to each other and making a decent destiny for our place in this marvelous universe. We can worry about whether anyone is turning the crank or not when we run out of better things to do. Meanwhile you philosophers continue drinking your own bath water.</p>
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		<title>By: wise_guybg</title>
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		<dc:creator>wise_guybg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not agree with the notion of deity and find it too close to &quot;theity&quot;. We should not focus on ourselves or the mathematician or whoever, as a person. It is not a person, it is a phenomenon in an environment. We&#039;re a phenomenon and so is evolution, planet Earth, etc. I think that these are all notions that are only occurring in our heads. On the other hand, I agree that the &quot;tree of universes&quot; is worth exploring :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not agree with the notion of deity and find it too close to &#8220;theity&#8221;. We should not focus on ourselves or the mathematician or whoever, as a person. It is not a person, it is a phenomenon in an environment. We&#8217;re a phenomenon and so is evolution, planet Earth, etc. I think that these are all notions that are only occurring in our heads. On the other hand, I agree that the &#8220;tree of universes&#8221; is worth exploring :)</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention From cosmism to deism &#124; KurzweilAI -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/from-cosmism-to-deism/comment-page-1#comment-2200</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention From cosmism to deism &#124; KurzweilAI -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by KurzweilAINews and Hacker News. Hacker News said: From cosmism to deism: AI makes deities plausible: http://bit.ly/gBUKS0 Comments: http://bit.ly/esPo0c [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by KurzweilAINews and Hacker News. Hacker News said: From cosmism to deism: AI makes deities plausible: <a href="http://bit.ly/gBUKS0" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/gBUKS0</a> Comments: <a href="http://bit.ly/esPo0c" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/esPo0c</a> [...]</p>
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