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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t seem that way to me</description>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if it seemed like my post was hyperbole, strawman argument, or generally offensive; that wasn&#039;t my intention ^^.</description>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 19:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something wrong with Facebook? A website that connects almost a billion people on the planet? 

We are not a lost generation at all - many predictions didn&#039;t come true, and many things that weren&#039;t predicted occurred....this is normal, and very often, the best things were the ones that were not predicted. Very often I feel that what does end up occurring in reality, was because past desires were replaced things of greater need.....people have been asking for flying cars for decades; aside from the un-practicality of such a vehicle, we instead got the Internet, not to mention other advances in genomics, and other fields that will have vastly greater implications then sending people up into space. With nano-tech, VR/AR, and potentially mind-uploading in the near-future..... Mars colonies? who needs them?

Perhaps the time for such things simply hasn&#039;t arrived yet, or maybe needs will change and they never will....it&#039;s not like we&#039;re not getting things done in the meantime that benefits us all the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something wrong with Facebook? A website that connects almost a billion people on the planet? </p>
<p>We are not a lost generation at all &#8211; many predictions didn&#8217;t come true, and many things that weren&#8217;t predicted occurred&#8230;.this is normal, and very often, the best things were the ones that were not predicted. Very often I feel that what does end up occurring in reality, was because past desires were replaced things of greater need&#8230;..people have been asking for flying cars for decades; aside from the un-practicality of such a vehicle, we instead got the Internet, not to mention other advances in genomics, and other fields that will have vastly greater implications then sending people up into space. With nano-tech, VR/AR, and potentially mind-uploading in the near-future&#8230;.. Mars colonies? who needs them?</p>
<p>Perhaps the time for such things simply hasn&#8217;t arrived yet, or maybe needs will change and they never will&#8230;.it&#8217;s not like we&#8217;re not getting things done in the meantime that benefits us all the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Giulio Prisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giulio Prisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 18:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hope this is true (but I will believe it only when I see the official announcement), because I have been waiting for this since 1972. I would never have thought that we would withdraw from space without going back for 40 years. We are a lost generation, they promised us Mars colonies and, instead, we got Facebook. I hope that new daring, ambitious space projects, with people in space, on the Moon and on the planets, doing momentous and dangerous things, will inspire the next generations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hope this is true (but I will believe it only when I see the official announcement), because I have been waiting for this since 1972. I would never have thought that we would withdraw from space without going back for 40 years. We are a lost generation, they promised us Mars colonies and, instead, we got Facebook. I hope that new daring, ambitious space projects, with people in space, on the Moon and on the planets, doing momentous and dangerous things, will inspire the next generations.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Radley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Radley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 22:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I encourage you to consider the use of a Lunar Elevator to accelerate the lunar ISRU bootstrapping process.

For a one time capital cost of US$800Million 2012, a lunar elevator can be built today using existing available materials.   This first generation lunar elevator will softly deliver an infinite number of payloads to the lunar surface, each weighing 100 kg, and retrieve the same amount of material from the  lunar surface.   The alternative of using chemical rockets to soft land on the Moon is prohibitively expensive.

The first generation lunar elevator kit weighs 11,000 kg and can be delivered today to the Lunar L1 lagrange libration location, using a single Delta-IV (or Ariane-V) launch.   From there the tether is unreeled upwards and downwards.     The lower end anchors itself into the lunar soil using robotic penetrators.

The lunar elevator will cheaply transport oxygen from the Moon to Low Earth Orbit where it can refuel tugs to take satellites from LEO to GEO, a significant revenue source.   This reduces the cost of launches to GEO by a factor of Eight times.

Your comments and thoughts would be welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I encourage you to consider the use of a Lunar Elevator to accelerate the lunar ISRU bootstrapping process.</p>
<p>For a one time capital cost of US$800Million 2012, a lunar elevator can be built today using existing available materials.   This first generation lunar elevator will softly deliver an infinite number of payloads to the lunar surface, each weighing 100 kg, and retrieve the same amount of material from the  lunar surface.   The alternative of using chemical rockets to soft land on the Moon is prohibitively expensive.</p>
<p>The first generation lunar elevator kit weighs 11,000 kg and can be delivered today to the Lunar L1 lagrange libration location, using a single Delta-IV (or Ariane-V) launch.   From there the tether is unreeled upwards and downwards.     The lower end anchors itself into the lunar soil using robotic penetrators.</p>
<p>The lunar elevator will cheaply transport oxygen from the Moon to Low Earth Orbit where it can refuel tugs to take satellites from LEO to GEO, a significant revenue source.   This reduces the cost of launches to GEO by a factor of Eight times.</p>
<p>Your comments and thoughts would be welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Vlad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 23:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Russians also have some great ideas and plans:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Orbital_Station
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/los.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Russians also have some great ideas and plans:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Orbital_Station" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Orbital_Station</a><br />
<a href="http://www.russianspaceweb.com/los.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.russianspaceweb.com/los.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell us how you like it Jason!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell us how you like it Jason!</p>
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		<title>By: PirateRo</title>
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		<dc:creator>PirateRo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly! Arthur showed us how to do it, so do it already!

And get people there on that cool PanAM shuttle. AND YES, IT MUST SAY PANAM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly! Arthur showed us how to do it, so do it already!</p>
<p>And get people there on that cool PanAM shuttle. AND YES, IT MUST SAY PANAM.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Adair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Adair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds like an excellent plan.  Let&#039;s get started! I&#039;m goin&#039; to go watch that NOVA Science Now, now! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds like an excellent plan.  Let&#8217;s get started! I&#8217;m goin&#8217; to go watch that NOVA Science Now, now! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NASA has shown an illustration of a large vehicle with a rotating ring amidships.  If they go with this, you don&#039;t have to worry, dcc.

Now just think about how much better robots will be by the year 2021.  That&#039;s nine years from now.  That&#039;s six doublings by Moore&#039;s Law.  If things go on as predicted by Moore, robots will have 64 times the processing power that they do today.

Sure there have been slowdowns in silicon chip technology, but carbon nanotube and graphene as conductors and semiconductors will take over and keep the Law working as predicted.

Just last night, while watching Nova Science Now, I saw two teams of little autonomous robots playing soccer.  When they bumped together and knocked each other down, they got back on their feet.

By 2021 there just could be the robots to operate a 3-D printer and assemble more robots.  It will need to take along a large canister of processor wafers, but the SLS that was written about here last week has a payload of 60 tons.  That should allow for hundreds of pounds of processors in a can, as well as a few tons of printer feedstock to get the operation started.

Once the first robot prints up a small team of helpers, the team can then print up and build a processing plant so that the robots can start mining and turning the minerals of the moon into a larger processing plant and many more robots and many more printers.  The large workforce thus assembled can set up large parabolic mirrors for melting moon rocks.  When they have materials enough, they can build a radio telescope bigger than the thousand-foot dish at Arecibo.   As the workforce grows they can go from one crater to the next, build bigger radio telescopes.

Once they have the processing plant needed to get nitrogen and carbon out of the Moon&#039;s upper layer of dust, they can set up pressure domes by roofing over craters with glass and start farming.  They might have to prospect a number of craters to find one made by the impact of a carbonaceous chrondite, but a lot of asteroids are this kind, so there will be carbon waiting to be found.

Here is an article about carbon on the moon:

http://www.space.com/8693-stuff-pencils-discovered-moon.html

Here is one about nitrogen on the moon:

http://www.space.com/1396-earth-air-trapped-moon-dirt-scientist-speculates.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASA has shown an illustration of a large vehicle with a rotating ring amidships.  If they go with this, you don&#8217;t have to worry, dcc.</p>
<p>Now just think about how much better robots will be by the year 2021.  That&#8217;s nine years from now.  That&#8217;s six doublings by Moore&#8217;s Law.  If things go on as predicted by Moore, robots will have 64 times the processing power that they do today.</p>
<p>Sure there have been slowdowns in silicon chip technology, but carbon nanotube and graphene as conductors and semiconductors will take over and keep the Law working as predicted.</p>
<p>Just last night, while watching Nova Science Now, I saw two teams of little autonomous robots playing soccer.  When they bumped together and knocked each other down, they got back on their feet.</p>
<p>By 2021 there just could be the robots to operate a 3-D printer and assemble more robots.  It will need to take along a large canister of processor wafers, but the SLS that was written about here last week has a payload of 60 tons.  That should allow for hundreds of pounds of processors in a can, as well as a few tons of printer feedstock to get the operation started.</p>
<p>Once the first robot prints up a small team of helpers, the team can then print up and build a processing plant so that the robots can start mining and turning the minerals of the moon into a larger processing plant and many more robots and many more printers.  The large workforce thus assembled can set up large parabolic mirrors for melting moon rocks.  When they have materials enough, they can build a radio telescope bigger than the thousand-foot dish at Arecibo.   As the workforce grows they can go from one crater to the next, build bigger radio telescopes.</p>
<p>Once they have the processing plant needed to get nitrogen and carbon out of the Moon&#8217;s upper layer of dust, they can set up pressure domes by roofing over craters with glass and start farming.  They might have to prospect a number of craters to find one made by the impact of a carbonaceous chrondite, but a lot of asteroids are this kind, so there will be carbon waiting to be found.</p>
<p>Here is an article about carbon on the moon:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.space.com/8693-stuff-pencils-discovered-moon.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.space.com/8693-stuff-pencils-discovered-moon.html</a></p>
<p>Here is one about nitrogen on the moon:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.space.com/1396-earth-air-trapped-moon-dirt-scientist-speculates.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.space.com/1396-earth-air-trapped-moon-dirt-scientist-speculates.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason Adair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Adair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 15:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You gotta spin &#039;em right round, baby like a record, baby, right round round round. =o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You gotta spin &#8216;em right round, baby like a record, baby, right round round round. =o)</p>
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		<title>By: GatorALLin</title>
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		<dc:creator>GatorALLin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought this idea was interesting....

http://mars-one.com/en/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought this idea was interesting&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://mars-one.com/en/" rel="nofollow">http://mars-one.com/en/</a></p>
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		<title>By: dcc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 14:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what about the effects of long term micro gravity?  That would still seem to be a problem, barring some sort of rotating habitat ring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what about the effects of long term micro gravity?  That would still seem to be a problem, barring some sort of rotating habitat ring.</p>
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