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		<title>By: dbamford</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbamford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Prius (model, now line) is the envy of the carmaking world. Toyota is winning, and Ford is scrambling to catch up -- others are still chasing and eating dust. Announced today that Ford is tripling-down on hybrid dealerships. http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=29156 
Tesla itself is relying on partnerships (and investments from ) Toyota and Daimler to bring production-relevant EVs to the market (not high-priced executive-model &quot;toys&quot;). EVs are the future of consumer cars, it is obvious for anyone not wearing blinders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Prius (model, now line) is the envy of the carmaking world. Toyota is winning, and Ford is scrambling to catch up &#8212; others are still chasing and eating dust. Announced today that Ford is tripling-down on hybrid dealerships. <a href="http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=29156" rel="nofollow">http://evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=29156</a><br />
Tesla itself is relying on partnerships (and investments from ) Toyota and Daimler to bring production-relevant EVs to the market (not high-priced executive-model &#8220;toys&#8221;). EVs are the future of consumer cars, it is obvious for anyone not wearing blinders.</p>
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		<title>By: AZryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>AZryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough wind and solar hits the US to EASILY power the nation. FACT.
We already have the technology and ability to make the panels and turbines, etc that could collect what we need. FACT.
Same idea as saying that if we wanted to we could power the nation on nuclear power.
Your pathetic argument is that because we&#039;re not doing what we &#039;could be&#039; doing...that must mean we can&#039;t do it!? I also like how you don&#039;t even attempt to make a case for such stupidity.
Maybe you should learn what FACTS are troll before you tell other people to reexamine the ones they&#039;ve already seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough wind and solar hits the US to EASILY power the nation. FACT.<br />
We already have the technology and ability to make the panels and turbines, etc that could collect what we need. FACT.<br />
Same idea as saying that if we wanted to we could power the nation on nuclear power.<br />
Your pathetic argument is that because we&#8217;re not doing what we &#8216;could be&#8217; doing&#8230;that must mean we can&#8217;t do it!? I also like how you don&#8217;t even attempt to make a case for such stupidity.<br />
Maybe you should learn what FACTS are troll before you tell other people to reexamine the ones they&#8217;ve already seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-52186</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we use the oil we have in the US for the next century we will create a planet so warm we won&#039;t be able to survive in the US, other than maybe Alaska. We&#039;ve got to leave most of our fossil fuel in the ground or we won&#039;t make it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we use the oil we have in the US for the next century we will create a planet so warm we won&#8217;t be able to survive in the US, other than maybe Alaska. We&#8217;ve got to leave most of our fossil fuel in the ground or we won&#8217;t make it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gianluca Bonifazi</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51606</link>
		<dc:creator>Gianluca Bonifazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 19:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only tell you: space-based solar power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_satellite). That&#039;s all we&#039;ll need, for every use you can think of. And about the night&#039;s problem,  this issue has been already worked out: Germany is already building hydrogen&#039;s tanks to store the energy produced by photovoltaic cells during the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only tell you: space-based solar power (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_satellite" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_satellite</a>). That&#8217;s all we&#8217;ll need, for every use you can think of. And about the night&#8217;s problem,  this issue has been already worked out: Germany is already building hydrogen&#8217;s tanks to store the energy produced by photovoltaic cells during the day.</p>
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		<title>By: Aezel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aezel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bet is still on something radically better than anything mentioned here, and well before 2025.  Lithium Ion is just not the answer, taken to it&#039;s extreme it will never be enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bet is still on something radically better than anything mentioned here, and well before 2025.  Lithium Ion is just not the answer, taken to it&#8217;s extreme it will never be enough.</p>
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		<title>By: snake0</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51521</link>
		<dc:creator>snake0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tides also continue to move at night. The earth still gives off heat at night. But regardless of that, my argument was that renewable energy would be aided by batteries, which would store the energy produced during the day to be used during periods of low input (such as when the sun sets). Your argument did nothing to contradict my statement. Batteries WILL be able to hold more charge, as the technology improves. That&#039;s not a debate, its a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tides also continue to move at night. The earth still gives off heat at night. But regardless of that, my argument was that renewable energy would be aided by batteries, which would store the energy produced during the day to be used during periods of low input (such as when the sun sets). Your argument did nothing to contradict my statement. Batteries WILL be able to hold more charge, as the technology improves. That&#8217;s not a debate, its a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Rb</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51503</link>
		<dc:creator>Rb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s a well-studied FACT that we could power the entire country with clean energy 24/7 if we wanted to&quot;. Yea you are totally right, we just don&#039;t feel like it... Actually, we enjoy wasting billions of dollars every year to suppress humankind and accelerate global warming just for kicks. Maybe you are the one who should  look into studies and actually learn something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s a well-studied FACT that we could power the entire country with clean energy 24/7 if we wanted to&#8221;. Yea you are totally right, we just don&#8217;t feel like it&#8230; Actually, we enjoy wasting billions of dollars every year to suppress humankind and accelerate global warming just for kicks. Maybe you are the one who should  look into studies and actually learn something.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Bullocks</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51441</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Bullocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on your own argument, I suggest you shut up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on your own argument, I suggest you shut up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51414</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 05:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quantum Physics. About which you need to learn something. The GP is likely talking about quantum locking, which is hoped to be put into wide spread use once we find a suitable room temperature superconductor. 18 years is a little too optimistic imo, more like 50.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quantum Physics. About which you need to learn something. The GP is likely talking about quantum locking, which is hoped to be put into wide spread use once we find a suitable room temperature superconductor. 18 years is a little too optimistic imo, more like 50.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51412</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 05:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to read up on this LPP company, they are just in the test phase with a proof of concept experiment. If you think they can go from proof of concept testing to a commercial application in under 20 years you are really out of touch with reality. I think you&#039;re simply too excited by the possible advances to consider the reality of transitioning from paper to product. 

Solar is a massively growing industry and will continue to grow exponentially year over year. We won&#039;t have any fusion for at least 30-50 years if things go according to plan, and more likely based on Tokamak than Focus Fusion.

Large generators &quot;can&quot; be more efficient, but as we&#039;ve seen with the web, peer-2-peer power generation on small scales will be the more likely victor in the future. Especially with the growth of solar. We&#039;ll likely expand our ability to generation and capture energy from a multitude of sources rather than one big huge plant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to read up on this LPP company, they are just in the test phase with a proof of concept experiment. If you think they can go from proof of concept testing to a commercial application in under 20 years you are really out of touch with reality. I think you&#8217;re simply too excited by the possible advances to consider the reality of transitioning from paper to product. </p>
<p>Solar is a massively growing industry and will continue to grow exponentially year over year. We won&#8217;t have any fusion for at least 30-50 years if things go according to plan, and more likely based on Tokamak than Focus Fusion.</p>
<p>Large generators &#8220;can&#8221; be more efficient, but as we&#8217;ve seen with the web, peer-2-peer power generation on small scales will be the more likely victor in the future. Especially with the growth of solar. We&#8217;ll likely expand our ability to generation and capture energy from a multitude of sources rather than one big huge plant.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51349</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 00:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s &lt;10% current BEST prices, btw.  Below 1¢/kwh.  Anywhere and everywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s &lt;10% current BEST prices, btw.  Below 1¢/kwh.  Anywhere and everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51347</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 00:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cloudy days; winter; expense.
Much better sources at &lt;10% current prices are coming, soon (4-10 yrs.)  Ultra-hot, ultra-small, waste-free fusion: LPPhysics.com .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cloudy days; winter; expense.<br />
Much better sources at &lt;10% current prices are coming, soon (4-10 yrs.)  Ultra-hot, ultra-small, waste-free fusion: LPPhysics.com .</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51345</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 00:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US now produces/pumps most of its own oil and gas. Barely getting started; the GAO estimates the US has as much light &quot;tight&quot; oil recoverable resource (present tech) as the rest of the world COMBINED.  Get used to it; the US is an Oil Superpower for the next few centuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US now produces/pumps most of its own oil and gas. Barely getting started; the GAO estimates the US has as much light &#8220;tight&#8221; oil recoverable resource (present tech) as the rest of the world COMBINED.  Get used to it; the US is an Oil Superpower for the next few centuries.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51343</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sufficient to sustain about 1/20 of current population. Reductions urgently required!  You first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sufficient to sustain about 1/20 of current population. Reductions urgently required!  You first.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51341</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, the Leaf and Volt, etc., are wimpy jokes. Check out Teslamotors.com for real electric cars. The company is currently setting up nation-wide FREE fast-charge stations for its Model S 200+ mile cars for long-distance travel.  Free for life, powered (grid power-swaps) by Solar City arrays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, the Leaf and Volt, etc., are wimpy jokes. Check out Teslamotors.com for real electric cars. The company is currently setting up nation-wide FREE fast-charge stations for its Model S 200+ mile cars for long-distance travel.  Free for life, powered (grid power-swaps) by Solar City arrays.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51340</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See above.  Observe a hovercraft; you must do real violence to air to move a large mass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See above.  Observe a hovercraft; you must do real violence to air to move a large mass.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51339</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Physics. About which you need to learn something. Pushing on air requires huge velocity of exhaust to move a car&#039;s mass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Physics. About which you need to learn something. Pushing on air requires huge velocity of exhaust to move a car&#8217;s mass.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51338</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dilute and dispersed energy? Great idea! The exact opposite of what got us out of the caves and the fields! 
CO2, btw, has failed every test and prediction as a climate changer. But has been proven to boost agriculture and forests.  It obviously must be eliminated.
Yup. Duh. Yup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dilute and dispersed energy? Great idea! The exact opposite of what got us out of the caves and the fields!<br />
CO2, btw, has failed every test and prediction as a climate changer. But has been proven to boost agriculture and forests.  It obviously must be eliminated.<br />
Yup. Duh. Yup.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian H</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51337</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The power required is generated anyway, and mostly goes unused. Large generators are/can always be more efficient than millions of little badly maintained (by comparison) putt-putts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The power required is generated anyway, and mostly goes unused. Large generators are/can always be more efficient than millions of little badly maintained (by comparison) putt-putts.</p>
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		<title>By: AZryan</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-improved-batteries-will-make-electric-vehicles-competitive/comment-page-1#comment-51336</link>
		<dc:creator>AZryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Troll, don&#039;t call someone an idiot who hasn&#039;t said anything idiotic! No kidding the &#039;sun goes down&#039;. How idiotic of you to think anyone didn&#039;t know that!?
There are methods of storing solar power to carry-over through the night -which could be used to great efficiency if we made an excess of clean power in the day. But no one is calling for fossil fuels to be halted tomorrow. It&#039;s a well-studied FACT that we could power the entire country with clean energy 24/7 if we wanted to. It wouldn&#039;t even have to be &#039;pockmarked&#039; as you claim. 
Plenty of rational people (of which you obviously aren&#039;t one of) simply suggest we move towards this clean energy independence with reasonable haste.

As I wrote further down, the advantage you apparently doubt exists is in causing FAR LOWER levels of pollution even when you charge electric cars from fossil fuel plants vs. gas cars we have now. Moving, of course, to pure clean energy lowers that towards zero when every level of manufacturing draws clean power. Try looking into studies of how much wind and solar power hit the US per day if you have any interest in actually learning something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Troll, don&#8217;t call someone an idiot who hasn&#8217;t said anything idiotic! No kidding the &#8216;sun goes down&#8217;. How idiotic of you to think anyone didn&#8217;t know that!?<br />
There are methods of storing solar power to carry-over through the night -which could be used to great efficiency if we made an excess of clean power in the day. But no one is calling for fossil fuels to be halted tomorrow. It&#8217;s a well-studied FACT that we could power the entire country with clean energy 24/7 if we wanted to. It wouldn&#8217;t even have to be &#8216;pockmarked&#8217; as you claim.<br />
Plenty of rational people (of which you obviously aren&#8217;t one of) simply suggest we move towards this clean energy independence with reasonable haste.</p>
<p>As I wrote further down, the advantage you apparently doubt exists is in causing FAR LOWER levels of pollution even when you charge electric cars from fossil fuel plants vs. gas cars we have now. Moving, of course, to pure clean energy lowers that towards zero when every level of manufacturing draws clean power. Try looking into studies of how much wind and solar power hit the US per day if you have any interest in actually learning something.</p>
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		<title>By: AZryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>AZryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AMOUNT of pollution is vastly LOWER in using it to power electric cars vs. fossil fuel engines. Even if you charge an electric off of coal-fired power plants, it&#039;s still lower pollution levels. That&#039;s the difference you insulting troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AMOUNT of pollution is vastly LOWER in using it to power electric cars vs. fossil fuel engines. Even if you charge an electric off of coal-fired power plants, it&#8217;s still lower pollution levels. That&#8217;s the difference you insulting troll.</p>
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		<title>By: brendan havel</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendan havel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well put, &quot;a new Manhattan Project&quot; same caliber anyway, like you said &quot;before the environment kills us...&quot;
   fossil fuels will end we must replace our fuel source before we use up all natural resources of Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well put, &#8220;a new Manhattan Project&#8221; same caliber anyway, like you said &#8220;before the environment kills us&#8230;&#8221;<br />
   fossil fuels will end we must replace our fuel source before we use up all natural resources of Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: William Collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is strange for this board, to hear such un-informed commentary and even some flaming, kids perhaps?  

So, has anybody hard of super capacitors?  These as well as roads that can provide a light version of inductive current are one viable option, cars can charge as they drive from a variety of methods that have not been considered.  Also note that cars, roads, and other forms of transportation and energy utility are grossly inefficient.  Even at the moment a Kers type system could be implemented in all cars and together with a hybrid architecture could make all cars run above a 45mpg level.   Also note that even if you are a gashole you can surely see that a combustion motor is terribly inefficient, like a tungsten bulb it spends most of its energy on heat, how about two-stroke technology, and when I say this I mean a modern two stroke.  Consider the thermal efficiency of a two stroke to a four stroke and you begin to see the picture; these issues are much bigger than a scientific problem, this is a political and socioeconomic issue, the powers in control of the market will not let it go.   Would you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is strange for this board, to hear such un-informed commentary and even some flaming, kids perhaps?  </p>
<p>So, has anybody hard of super capacitors?  These as well as roads that can provide a light version of inductive current are one viable option, cars can charge as they drive from a variety of methods that have not been considered.  Also note that cars, roads, and other forms of transportation and energy utility are grossly inefficient.  Even at the moment a Kers type system could be implemented in all cars and together with a hybrid architecture could make all cars run above a 45mpg level.   Also note that even if you are a gashole you can surely see that a combustion motor is terribly inefficient, like a tungsten bulb it spends most of its energy on heat, how about two-stroke technology, and when I say this I mean a modern two stroke.  Consider the thermal efficiency of a two stroke to a four stroke and you begin to see the picture; these issues are much bigger than a scientific problem, this is a political and socioeconomic issue, the powers in control of the market will not let it go.   Would you?</p>
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		<title>By: botheredbybees</title>
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		<dc:creator>botheredbybees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 22:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why wouldn&#039;t people recharge using solar technology during the 8 hours their cars are sitting about while they&#039;re at work?</description>
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		<title>By: jonagold</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonagold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 21:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The advantage are 1.  Renewable energy can be used.  2.  Reduced oil spills.  3.  Less dependence on petro-dictatorships, weakening such powers and enabling democratic reforms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The advantage are 1.  Renewable energy can be used.  2.  Reduced oil spills.  3.  Less dependence on petro-dictatorships, weakening such powers and enabling democratic reforms.</p>
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		<title>By: piratejoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>piratejoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 21:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, idiot!  The wind may blow at night, but the sun goes down.  Together, with millions of solar cells and wind turbines pocked marked all over the countryside, do you think that they will be able to power the recharging of the tens of millions of batteries necessary to power all of the super auto batteries that will be hungry every night in the year 2025?  Get real everybody. There is no energy source here or in the foreseeable future, except fossil fuels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, idiot!  The wind may blow at night, but the sun goes down.  Together, with millions of solar cells and wind turbines pocked marked all over the countryside, do you think that they will be able to power the recharging of the tens of millions of batteries necessary to power all of the super auto batteries that will be hungry every night in the year 2025?  Get real everybody. There is no energy source here or in the foreseeable future, except fossil fuels.</p>
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		<title>By: snake0</title>
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		<dc:creator>snake0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 20:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least we don&#039;t have to wait until the future for talking robots...</description>
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		<title>By: snake0</title>
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		<dc:creator>snake0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 20:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such super batteries would also aid renewable energies such as solar wind and geothermal power.

And there&#039;s always nuclear...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such super batteries would also aid renewable energies such as solar wind and geothermal power.</p>
<p>And there&#8217;s always nuclear&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine MacLean (old science fiction writer and research fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine MacLean (old science fiction writer and research fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 20:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With cell phone links between office workers less commuting &amp; less car use,&amp;  only 2 children per woman and delayed children  by banking sperm and eggs away from mutation &amp; with youth extension for the women to choose a full career before having children---In other words, reduce the population and live green. and walk and bycycle. Pollution will go down down.enough .Cars and coal burning &amp;,oil burning factories are not needed..Pollution is not essential to keep the energy rolling.Solar panel tech  has been improved, cheaper mass produced sheets of carbon based solar energy collection sheets that roll up and ship easily. Gov can help with subsidies and prizes, and tax smoke for the cost of its consequences. Carrot and stick to speed up the conversion to solar energy. If `poor populations did not have to burn wood to cook their food land and big deserts could grew green cover and trees and level out the climate extremes with shade. America&#039;sr mid country could do with tree belts cooling the heat and dryness of 20 mile squares of only.farm corn and grains.
 Sorry! I got off the topic. I want an electric car with lasting batteries and charge it from solar cloth rolls panels on every flat surface..of house and use panals for yard shade in summer. Sail boats can use solar panals for sails. and get power .too. Cruising in the tropics in houseboats, with solar collecting sails and air conditioners . Ahhh!.   .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With cell phone links between office workers less commuting &amp; less car use,&amp;  only 2 children per woman and delayed children  by banking sperm and eggs away from mutation &amp; with youth extension for the women to choose a full career before having children&#8212;In other words, reduce the population and live green. and walk and bycycle. Pollution will go down down.enough .Cars and coal burning &amp;,oil burning factories are not needed..Pollution is not essential to keep the energy rolling.Solar panel tech  has been improved, cheaper mass produced sheets of carbon based solar energy collection sheets that roll up and ship easily. Gov can help with subsidies and prizes, and tax smoke for the cost of its consequences. Carrot and stick to speed up the conversion to solar energy. If `poor populations did not have to burn wood to cook their food land and big deserts could grew green cover and trees and level out the climate extremes with shade. America&#8217;sr mid country could do with tree belts cooling the heat and dryness of 20 mile squares of only.farm corn and grains.<br />
 Sorry! I got off the topic. I want an electric car with lasting batteries and charge it from solar cloth rolls panels on every flat surface..of house and use panals for yard shade in summer. Sail boats can use solar panals for sails. and get power .too. Cruising in the tropics in houseboats, with solar collecting sails and air conditioners . Ahhh!.   .</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an article posted here just in the past few weeks telling of new carbon photovoltaic cells that can be printed on any surface.  Soon cars will be covered with photovoltaics that will recharge during the day while you are at work.  Carbon solar cells will be made part of roofing shingles and more and more people will buy them as fuel prices climb from the competition of a growing global market for autos and trucks.  

During the day, photovoltaics on your roof will power hydrolysis to split water into hydrogen and oxygen to fuel your hybrid car.

Looking even farther ahead, rooftop wind turbines will also be cheaper when rare earth metals are mined on the Moon and on asteroids.  On a windy winter&#039;s night here in Syracuse you will still be able to charge up your car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an article posted here just in the past few weeks telling of new carbon photovoltaic cells that can be printed on any surface.  Soon cars will be covered with photovoltaics that will recharge during the day while you are at work.  Carbon solar cells will be made part of roofing shingles and more and more people will buy them as fuel prices climb from the competition of a growing global market for autos and trucks.  </p>
<p>During the day, photovoltaics on your roof will power hydrolysis to split water into hydrogen and oxygen to fuel your hybrid car.</p>
<p>Looking even farther ahead, rooftop wind turbines will also be cheaper when rare earth metals are mined on the Moon and on asteroids.  On a windy winter&#8217;s night here in Syracuse you will still be able to charge up your car.</p>
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		<title>By: piratejoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>piratejoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the difference -- hydrocarbons from exhaust pipes or from smoke stacks?  Pollution is pollution.
The only real solution for now is nuclear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the difference &#8212; hydrocarbons from exhaust pipes or from smoke stacks?  Pollution is pollution.<br />
The only real solution for now is nuclear.</p>
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		<title>By: NeoCool</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeoCool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they said that with current technology and just by increasing manufacturing we will have better batteries by 2025. That is not looking exponentially at the problem. by 2025 we will have much better battery tech at a much lower cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they said that with current technology and just by increasing manufacturing we will have better batteries by 2025. That is not looking exponentially at the problem. by 2025 we will have much better battery tech at a much lower cost.</p>
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		<title>By: piratejoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>piratejoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time there is talk about the wonderful world of electric powered autos, somehow, it is never mentioned that even if there was a magic breakthrough that provided a super battery, the massive recharging that would happen every night would burn millions of tons of fossil fuels, be it oil, coal or natural gas, producing tons and tons of pollution.  Where&#039;s the advantage?  Nuts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time there is talk about the wonderful world of electric powered autos, somehow, it is never mentioned that even if there was a magic breakthrough that provided a super battery, the massive recharging that would happen every night would burn millions of tons of fossil fuels, be it oil, coal or natural gas, producing tons and tons of pollution.  Where&#8217;s the advantage?  Nuts!</p>
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		<title>By: Bennie Beaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bennie Beaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s dizzying to read articles like this one repeating claims I&#039;ve heard before.  Someone needs to get together and pick, maybe these three ideas, and let&#039;s create a new Manhattan Project.  Let&#039;s get the job done before the environment kills us, or we&#039;re again locked into old hydrocarbons making it even more difficult to change.

I&#039;ve read about new battery ideas that cost less than hydrocarbons to manufacture, and produce enough energy; then they end those claims with, well, it could be many more years before they&#039;re on the market.  Give me a break.  Someone needs to get together and let&#039;s get the job done.  We need a Steve Jobs of the energy development world.

All the talk in the world ain&#039;t worth a spit in a river.  Get something done, or shut-up until you got a real plan to conclusion.

I know that may sound a little rough, but that&#039;s the way I feel.  How about you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s dizzying to read articles like this one repeating claims I&#8217;ve heard before.  Someone needs to get together and pick, maybe these three ideas, and let&#8217;s create a new Manhattan Project.  Let&#8217;s get the job done before the environment kills us, or we&#8217;re again locked into old hydrocarbons making it even more difficult to change.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read about new battery ideas that cost less than hydrocarbons to manufacture, and produce enough energy; then they end those claims with, well, it could be many more years before they&#8217;re on the market.  Give me a break.  Someone needs to get together and let&#8217;s get the job done.  We need a Steve Jobs of the energy development world.</p>
<p>All the talk in the world ain&#8217;t worth a spit in a river.  Get something done, or shut-up until you got a real plan to conclusion.</p>
<p>I know that may sound a little rough, but that&#8217;s the way I feel.  How about you?</p>
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		<title>By: Vin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Won&#039;t weather conditions complicate handling, demanding more driver skill and training?</description>
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		<title>By: Christian Gehman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Gehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cars don&#039;t have to roll; they could fly -- a few inches off the ground at all speeds over 30 mph. With adequate design, the car itself could be a flying wing which only one motive wheel touching the ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cars don&#8217;t have to roll; they could fly &#8212; a few inches off the ground at all speeds over 30 mph. With adequate design, the car itself could be a flying wing which only one motive wheel touching the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Gehman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian Gehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, what&#039;s to prevent the current crop of vehicles from air-lifting five or six inches to reduce mechanical friction and drag and steering with vanes except when the wheels touch down for braking?</description>
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		<title>By: melajara</title>
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		<dc:creator>melajara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 16:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Energy production is not reducible to an IT, this is why there is no accelerating returns on that road, although there is progress through nanotech and biotech.</description>
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		<title>By: someday69</title>
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		<dc:creator>someday69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds dissapontting.....With such an&#039;&#039;ex&#039;cell&#039;erating,future....there time line..for this,,mead&#039;ee&#039;oaker....improvement...six grand difference&#039;&#039;-&#039;nice&#039;&#039; Oh&#039;you will have to wait..for..let&#039;s see&#039;....18years!!
   This is nut&#039;s,,,in eight&#039;teen&#039;freek&#039;in year&#039;s well be&#039;&#039;rideing in elctro&#039;magnetic&#039; flying cars...with&#039;out any&#039;steering wheel&#039;s....(driven bye The System&#039;)</description>
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   This is nut&#8217;s,,,in eight&#8217;teen&#8217;freek&#8217;in year&#8217;s well be&#8221;rideing in elctro&#8217;magnetic&#8217; flying cars&#8230;with&#8217;out any&#8217;steering wheel&#8217;s&#8230;.(driven bye The System&#8217;)</p>
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		<title>By: high carbfoods</title>
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		<dc:creator>high carbfoods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 14:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not clear which electric battery as of today is the best to prevent pollution and also save consumer money. It is good to know what is market proven and why details.</description>
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