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		<title>By: Monolithic</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/how-to-create-a-startup-country/comment-page-1#comment-2714</link>
		<dc:creator>Monolithic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 18:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree. As scientists we cannot let the politicians have the land while we take the sea. HE WHO CONTROLS THE LAND CONTROLS THE SEA. Your biosphere is dying, species are fading, YOU ARE DESTROYING YOUR WORLD. Stop arguing about baloney and face the real political and scientific climate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. As scientists we cannot let the politicians have the land while we take the sea. HE WHO CONTROLS THE LAND CONTROLS THE SEA. Your biosphere is dying, species are fading, YOU ARE DESTROYING YOUR WORLD. Stop arguing about baloney and face the real political and scientific climate.</p>
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		<title>By: matt@wronkiewicz.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt@wronkiewicz.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! We&#039;ll invade the sea in three massive floating cities. For purposes of discussion we&#039;ll call them &#039;A&#039;, &#039;B&#039;, and &#039;C&#039;. City A will hold all the brilliant leaders, the scientists, and the artists. City C will hold all the people who do the actual work. And then city B will house all the middlemen. City B will begin the grand adventure, with cities A and C to follow later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! We&#8217;ll invade the sea in three massive floating cities. For purposes of discussion we&#8217;ll call them &#8216;A&#8217;, &#8216;B&#8217;, and &#8216;C&#8217;. City A will hold all the brilliant leaders, the scientists, and the artists. City C will hold all the people who do the actual work. And then city B will house all the middlemen. City B will begin the grand adventure, with cities A and C to follow later.</p>
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		<title>By: willtruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>willtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 16:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t there a risk that these new countries could be parasites to a certain degree on the old ones? What I mean is that, when they start off, it will probably only be young, healthy productive, intelligent people who migrate to them. That will give them an advantage over th old countries, which must pay for people who are disabled, or old, or get cancer and need healthcare etc. The new country will have none of these costs, so their taxes will be lower or non-existent. But then, if any of their residents get sick, presumably they will head back to the old country for treatment or support. Doesn&#039;t seem very fair to me..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t there a risk that these new countries could be parasites to a certain degree on the old ones? What I mean is that, when they start off, it will probably only be young, healthy productive, intelligent people who migrate to them. That will give them an advantage over th old countries, which must pay for people who are disabled, or old, or get cancer and need healthcare etc. The new country will have none of these costs, so their taxes will be lower or non-existent. But then, if any of their residents get sick, presumably they will head back to the old country for treatment or support. Doesn&#8217;t seem very fair to me..</p>
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		<title>By: Jake_Witmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake_Witmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m amazed at the lack of innovation in the libertarian movement.  I mean, Hayek had the answers how many years ago, and the libertarians are still conflating philosophical knowledge with knowledge of strategy and tactics?
The ruling elite don&#039;t want progress.  They don&#039;t want change.  That&#039;s what the political theater is there for.

Most libertarians don&#039;t even know what they want.  They can&#039;t quantify what would be a step in the right direction.  

I can.  I&#039;ve talked with thousands and thousands of people.  And I&#039;ve defeated rigged courts and rigged juries.  I know my history.

What libertarians want is simply a society whereby economic calculations take into account predictable individual rights: they want to be able to keep what they own, and use it fully.  They expect that they own their own bodies, and that the areas where goverment claims ownership in these areas, they are wrong.

This is not a difference of opinion, anymore than it is a difference of opinion that one owns one&#039;s own wallet, yet a totally illegitimate theif also believes he owns it.  The morons here claiming a right to other people&#039;s money for &quot;research&quot; are not even at the gradeschool level of the libertarians --they don&#039;t even have the philosophy worked out.

So what does someone who wants a free country do?

One makes the freest country freer, and one makes the least free country freer (damage control).

How?

Well, we were much more free and innovative in the USA before we lost proper jury trials.  This is noticeable change, in the direction of tyranny.

I haven&#039;t met 30% of the population that agrees with consistent liberty (libertarianism).  But I have met 30% of the population who can comprehend jury trials, and why they are important.  As soon as I show people the history, they agree with me.  If I had even a few dozen paid employees, I could take over 1 state for libertarianism-in-effect, by taking on the court system of that state.

This won&#039;t happen.  Because everyone has a stupid, poorly-thought-out reason why it won&#039;t work, and I&#039;m too poor to do it myself.  The people pursuing this strategy are the best the libertarian movement has to offer, but they&#039;re also doing everything wrong, because they seem to lack a basic understanding of human psychology.

Maybe this dooms us to tyranny.

Prediction: Seasteading efforts will be raided and destroyed by governments, resulting in death of all or most involved.  You see, the illegitimate parasites want what you&#039;ve created, and they want it for free.  They want to steal it, and they have the power to do so.  The average cop is vastly less intelligent and vastly more violent than the average KAI visitor or &#039;seateader&#039;.

However, I CAN think of a way seasteading will work.  If the libertarians are all rich, and this becomes a club for the rich, while the poor languish in oppression in the mainland.  If that happens, the governments will LOVE the people who set it all up.  After all: it will &quot;prove&quot; to their tyrannized subjects that they are free, (without offering them the possibility of actual freedom).  Basically: if the seastead is open to all, and threatens governments with a loss of their slaves, then governments will shut it down.  If not, it will be the same thing we have right now: nominally more freedom for the rich, no freedom at all for the middle class and poor.

Do you really want freedom?  Build strong freedom movements in the western states and NH around jury rights.  Pay educators to do the hard, difficulty, crappy work of handing out jury rights pamphlets in front of courthouses.  But hurry up and figure out what I already know: you don&#039;t have much time.

In IL, MA, and MD, it is now illegal to video record government agents in public.  That&#039;s literally the law in those states!  And the sentence for gathering evidence of police brutality, or governmental crime and lawbreaking?  It&#039;s equal to that for rape (at least in IL).

Still, if the freedom movement cared to do what works, has worked, and will always work (talk to people using the right memes), they could achieve very, very, very rapid success.

I doubt it will happen, but it&#039;s a nice idea.

And better than getting nuked at sea for being smarter than a sociopathic monkey named Joe Biden or Barack Obama.

Here&#039;s to hoping the libertarian movement gets grounded in reality: ASAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amazed at the lack of innovation in the libertarian movement.  I mean, Hayek had the answers how many years ago, and the libertarians are still conflating philosophical knowledge with knowledge of strategy and tactics?<br />
The ruling elite don&#8217;t want progress.  They don&#8217;t want change.  That&#8217;s what the political theater is there for.</p>
<p>Most libertarians don&#8217;t even know what they want.  They can&#8217;t quantify what would be a step in the right direction.  </p>
<p>I can.  I&#8217;ve talked with thousands and thousands of people.  And I&#8217;ve defeated rigged courts and rigged juries.  I know my history.</p>
<p>What libertarians want is simply a society whereby economic calculations take into account predictable individual rights: they want to be able to keep what they own, and use it fully.  They expect that they own their own bodies, and that the areas where goverment claims ownership in these areas, they are wrong.</p>
<p>This is not a difference of opinion, anymore than it is a difference of opinion that one owns one&#8217;s own wallet, yet a totally illegitimate theif also believes he owns it.  The morons here claiming a right to other people&#8217;s money for &#8220;research&#8221; are not even at the gradeschool level of the libertarians &#8211;they don&#8217;t even have the philosophy worked out.</p>
<p>So what does someone who wants a free country do?</p>
<p>One makes the freest country freer, and one makes the least free country freer (damage control).</p>
<p>How?</p>
<p>Well, we were much more free and innovative in the USA before we lost proper jury trials.  This is noticeable change, in the direction of tyranny.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t met 30% of the population that agrees with consistent liberty (libertarianism).  But I have met 30% of the population who can comprehend jury trials, and why they are important.  As soon as I show people the history, they agree with me.  If I had even a few dozen paid employees, I could take over 1 state for libertarianism-in-effect, by taking on the court system of that state.</p>
<p>This won&#8217;t happen.  Because everyone has a stupid, poorly-thought-out reason why it won&#8217;t work, and I&#8217;m too poor to do it myself.  The people pursuing this strategy are the best the libertarian movement has to offer, but they&#8217;re also doing everything wrong, because they seem to lack a basic understanding of human psychology.</p>
<p>Maybe this dooms us to tyranny.</p>
<p>Prediction: Seasteading efforts will be raided and destroyed by governments, resulting in death of all or most involved.  You see, the illegitimate parasites want what you&#8217;ve created, and they want it for free.  They want to steal it, and they have the power to do so.  The average cop is vastly less intelligent and vastly more violent than the average KAI visitor or &#8216;seateader&#8217;.</p>
<p>However, I CAN think of a way seasteading will work.  If the libertarians are all rich, and this becomes a club for the rich, while the poor languish in oppression in the mainland.  If that happens, the governments will LOVE the people who set it all up.  After all: it will &#8220;prove&#8221; to their tyrannized subjects that they are free, (without offering them the possibility of actual freedom).  Basically: if the seastead is open to all, and threatens governments with a loss of their slaves, then governments will shut it down.  If not, it will be the same thing we have right now: nominally more freedom for the rich, no freedom at all for the middle class and poor.</p>
<p>Do you really want freedom?  Build strong freedom movements in the western states and NH around jury rights.  Pay educators to do the hard, difficulty, crappy work of handing out jury rights pamphlets in front of courthouses.  But hurry up and figure out what I already know: you don&#8217;t have much time.</p>
<p>In IL, MA, and MD, it is now illegal to video record government agents in public.  That&#8217;s literally the law in those states!  And the sentence for gathering evidence of police brutality, or governmental crime and lawbreaking?  It&#8217;s equal to that for rape (at least in IL).</p>
<p>Still, if the freedom movement cared to do what works, has worked, and will always work (talk to people using the right memes), they could achieve very, very, very rapid success.</p>
<p>I doubt it will happen, but it&#8217;s a nice idea.</p>
<p>And better than getting nuked at sea for being smarter than a sociopathic monkey named Joe Biden or Barack Obama.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to hoping the libertarian movement gets grounded in reality: ASAP.</p>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have trouble seeing seasteading as a driver of innovation in government.  Seasteads may come up with some good ideas, and conventional governments will remain resistant to change.  The recent U.S. health care debate is a great example of how  examples of better policies in other nations may be ignored: I mean, seriously, health care for everyone, that&#039;s just so French.

That being said seasteads or some equivalent may be necessary to drive technological innovation in the GNR fields.  The success of religious fundamentalists in the U.S. of cutting public funding for stem cell research they felt was morally questionable makes me worry about the future of scientific research in general.  As advances mount in technologies which can fundamentally alter what it means to be human, opposition movements will organize to block even private research efforts.  Seasteadings may offer a refuge for cutting edge research which would otherwise be banned by most conventional nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have trouble seeing seasteading as a driver of innovation in government.  Seasteads may come up with some good ideas, and conventional governments will remain resistant to change.  The recent U.S. health care debate is a great example of how  examples of better policies in other nations may be ignored: I mean, seriously, health care for everyone, that&#8217;s just so French.</p>
<p>That being said seasteads or some equivalent may be necessary to drive technological innovation in the GNR fields.  The success of religious fundamentalists in the U.S. of cutting public funding for stem cell research they felt was morally questionable makes me worry about the future of scientific research in general.  As advances mount in technologies which can fundamentally alter what it means to be human, opposition movements will organize to block even private research efforts.  Seasteadings may offer a refuge for cutting edge research which would otherwise be banned by most conventional nations.</p>
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		<title>By: Evil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An amazing idea - and the snide comments here are about pirates, the weather and sewage.</description>
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		<title>By: geekette</title>
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		<dc:creator>geekette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 01:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It could be that this project is like putting a man on the moon.  Figuring it out will give us solutions to some of our most pressing OTHER problems.  Such as recycling sewage.   Currently, with all of the rain, many of our cities and beaches are experiencing contamination by sewage.   As they say in the army - don&#039;t crap in your own mess kit.    These floating cities would certainly have to come up with a great solution for that mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could be that this project is like putting a man on the moon.  Figuring it out will give us solutions to some of our most pressing OTHER problems.  Such as recycling sewage.   Currently, with all of the rain, many of our cities and beaches are experiencing contamination by sewage.   As they say in the army &#8211; don&#8217;t crap in your own mess kit.    These floating cities would certainly have to come up with a great solution for that mess.</p>
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		<title>By: geekette</title>
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		<dc:creator>geekette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 01:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the concept is excellent.  Its the execution I&#039;m worried about.   Having crossed the pacific ocean 4 times (from LA-Sydney and Brisbane-Seattle) - and travelled through the panama canal 2 times (LA - Miami, Miamai-San Diego), as well as having owned 2 boats in the San Francisco bay area, I feel I am somewhat qualified to say, WHAT ABOUT THE WEATHER?  Unlike being on land, the sea tosses you about like a tiny little cork.  I guess the idea is that the floating city can travel.   There is this problem of schedules for picking up supplies however, and for docking in various ports.    Details, details.    Its still an idea worth pursuing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the concept is excellent.  Its the execution I&#8217;m worried about.   Having crossed the pacific ocean 4 times (from LA-Sydney and Brisbane-Seattle) &#8211; and travelled through the panama canal 2 times (LA &#8211; Miami, Miamai-San Diego), as well as having owned 2 boats in the San Francisco bay area, I feel I am somewhat qualified to say, WHAT ABOUT THE WEATHER?  Unlike being on land, the sea tosses you about like a tiny little cork.  I guess the idea is that the floating city can travel.   There is this problem of schedules for picking up supplies however, and for docking in various ports.    Details, details.    Its still an idea worth pursuing.</p>
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		<title>By: Foozinator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foozinator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 06:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting idea, but how to keep anything with any value safe from pirates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting idea, but how to keep anything with any value safe from pirates?</p>
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