NeighborS?Which?

“invade them and make them a part of the US.”

strawman.Just changing their government, make them “democratic”.Your “demos” reigns theirs.How selfless.

“WwI and WWII were caused by Germanies naked aggression and desires for world domination.”

Historians disagree.How did Germany cause WW1?Read a book.Monocausal thinking is the hallmark of the uneducated man.

“That facts are clear. America uses it’s might to influence the world, for the worlds betterment, not towns it satellites or puppets.”

That’s why your ex-colonies like you and are so highly developed.

“China is a classic example. It now exceeds Germanies output and may become the most powerful economic nation soon. ”

Yeah, it’s hard for 1,3 billion to produce more than 80 million.I’m amazed!Capitalism rules.

“We foster the worlds economic development. China is a classic example. ”
China reformed itself.They even have made the guy who is responsible into a national hero.How arrogant you are.

“Every nation does.”
Not according to you.There is one selfless hero.

“You can believe you’ve view of things, we will still do what we believe is best.”
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“You can always count on Americans to do the right thing – after they’ve tried everything else.”

Winston Churchill

Sadly, there are so many possibilities, as this site says.

Look up the word “fact”, American google power rules.

Paraphrasing Goethe: Nobody is so ignorant as the man who thinks he already knows.

Or Zen: Empty your cup.

Speaking of which: Europe and especially Britian, invented capitalism.Let’s thank them.

Yes, attacking random countries because they don’t become puppets is war mongering.

“Iraq was war mongering.”
Yes, the Iraq war of Bush junior was warmongering.

“I guess they feel we wasted an opportunity to war monger with Libya and Egypt. Such a shame. Think of all those dead people and we didn’t have anything to do with it.”

Despite encouraging, giving ammunition and logistical coordination, you’d nothing to do with it.

“What about South America.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHa1SMUoER8&feature=related

“We could just nuke them and take their oil.”

You could not.

“Don’t forget Cuba. Boy do we have an axe to grind with them.”
You invaded and failed.Lack of success in evil endeavors doesn’t make one good.

“North Koreas looking kinda weak right now. ”
They have nukes, and China guarantees them.

” We might as well act the way they say we are. Just skip to the chase and cry havoc!!!”

You do as you can, but reality puts constraints on you.

I’m partly sorry if I offended you, I must admit that some of my remarks were rather unfriendly, but I’m not the only one of us.

” I’m very different than you in my opinions. I would like to know yours. ”

You see.This is confusing.How can you know the degree of “difference” between our opinions if you don’t know mine?
Guesstimate?

I gave you a hint as to my beliefs, but you tried to fit it into your box.I can understand you (to some degree), but you won’t understand me if you can’t accept my premises temporarly.This assumes you’re being honest.

Anyway: I won’t have time to argue with you anyway, for sometime, so let’s agree to disagree and move on.Either this, or you can say what you want, since I won’t answer^^

Another example.Your country forced mine to take the uneducated Turkish youth into our territory, and that wasn’t part of our “agreements”.Now, we have more Turkish youth than German youth were I live.Knowing some Turkish surely is part of German heritage and the freedom of self-determinition that my people enjoys after having been “liberated”.When I’m your age, I won’t have any country that keeps my cultural heritage alive, due to the different birthrates of soon extinct indigenous people and their muslim counterparts.Well, we are the “Indians”, they are the “Americans”.If you think this is right wing nutjob stuff, read the recent report of the OECD.Or any other statistic.

That’s freedom.Freedom from future.Thanks America.

“The Turkish government asked Germany to recruit Turkish guest workers. Theodor Blank, Secretary of State for Employment, was opposed to such agreements, believing that the cultural gap between Germany and Turkey would be too large. He also argued that Germany needed no additional foreign laborers, because there were enough unemployed people living in the poorer regions of Germany who could take these jobs. The United States however, put some political pressure on Germany, as it wanted to stabilize Turkey. The German Department of Foreign Affairs carried on negotiations after this and in 1961 an agreement was reached.”

Thanks for all this sovereignty over our territory.And this is the English article, it puts things mildly.

Analogy: If I push your teeth down your throat and you “agree” to give me all your money, regularly, you’re a true sovereign, a free”freeman” in the truest, freest sense of the word!Is this so hard to understand?Yes, it must be.

“Most war outcomes result in the losing country becoming a part of the victorious country.”
Haha, you make me laugh (sounds like love?I love laughing!? Strange.Ve should learn English pronunciation.Maybe that’s why you kept misunderstanding me).

Anyway: That’s why we have still over hundred nations on this beautiful planet, called earth (or America?).
So by your reasoning Russia is part of France and Britian after losing against them?Or part of Japan? Denmark was part of Prussia?Just like France?Just like Austria?Just like “insert various German states”?

You know, there were more than fifty victorious nations in WW2.Surely, they couldn’t agree who gets to eat the cake.

“As far as I’m aware the political relationships between both countries is without tension.”

Japan and Germany?Yeah.We and the US?Certainly not.Japan and the USA? Maybe, because they’re being antidemocratic.Just this (or was it last) year a government dissolved because they couldn’t sovereignly yield to public pressure urging them to send away all these American soldiers with all their cultural competence (the typ of the iceberg was a group that was found out to regurlarly raping Japanase women/girls).

“Out of all the Japanese that I have meet of read about, I have never heard about the tensions that you relate.”

Well, maybe they talk differently to me.I have Japanese aquaintances saying things like “next time without Italy”.There was(and is) this famous karate master, warning against the Americanization of Japan and the rising crime rates that would follow (some small waves are already hitting the beach, he doesn’t want to wait for the tsunami).He is the founder of the kyokushinkai style (I took his stance from his book, maybe “way of karate”- didn’t read it in English), if you don’t believe me.^^

“From my Polish friends I hear about tension similiar to what you describe.”
You know, and this I say without being rascist (for that would mean insulting myself, in this case, despite not actually believing in races that way): Poles have a tendency to see themselves as victims.Even if they started things (like annexing non Polish territories belonging to the glorious SU).Of course, they have a long history of being surpressed.

“They refer to a mind set that is similiar to Germany before the world wars.”
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“She even said that she was looking forward to owning America.”
Germany never wanted to own the USA.Maybe you shouldn’t swallow all this propaganda.It can upset the stomach, which is nearer to the heart than your brain.Most of the time we follow our “hearts”;)

“That America would be apart of their land and that if the war had been fought they would have won.”
Well, I once read a webcomic containing a guy depicting Russia.His motto was: All things will be Russia.How do you think they got their country so big!?The comic was Japanese, btw.The guy depicting the USA was someone who never listens to others, is slightly dumb and eats while speaking.He also doesn’t notice making mistakes, and thus is doomed to repeat them.

Anyway: Maybe the SU would have won WW3.But you’d surely use wmds in such a case, there is no doubt.

“Happy to say I don’t know of a single American that thinks that Russia would have been owned by America after a war.”

Just saying things can bestow a certain bliss upon us, right?I’m happy to say: Nice to write to you for the first time.I really like meeting new people!

Well.I know many Americans asserting that they own Europe, Germany, or even the world.Shall I post some emails/pn’s I received? Paraphrase: “Our soldiers are here to keep you nazis down, in case you get funny ideas.”

“I don’t know of a single American that would want to own Iran. If we had to fight a war with that country and we won, we would return it’s sovreignry, with terms of surrender.”

With terms of surrender?This is pure wordplay.Either I can decide myself, or I am not free.

“This would most likely be the same as what we did in Kuwait, Iraq, and Afganistan.”
Ah, the great American success stories.It’s unfair that you use the most successful endeavors, like Iraq and (!) Afghanistan.Free, proud, beautiful Afghanistan.

“America is not interested in being colonial.”
Yeah, that’s why you declared your independence.Who is this America guy you are talking about?Can I meet him?As for your government, it clearly is being imperialist (the word you were searching for).

Or do you think getting military bases after bribing and equiping some generals in Latin America who then proceed to overthrow their then former- sometimes democratically elected- governments is a selfless, uncolonial, and freedom promoting thing to do?I wholeheartly agree with you.Call me general X.

“Every detail that I related to you about this war was in the documentary.”
Well, then you should have related these “little details” of the president making remarks that cleary state the expansional character of the move made.You didn’t.Why?

“We have excellent relations with Canada. We don’t have any interest in making them part of America.”
Maybe, because they are already part of America?Or are we talking about the USA?Just because something is conventional somewhere doesn’t make it right.

“Since this article is about American drones spying on Iranian territory, the question of whether we are belligerent is very related. America has no interest in messing with Iran. ”

It must be a very disciplined country you’re telling me so kindly about.Doing things, even though they are uninteresting.I wish I had that disciplin.

“Iran has been very belligerent toward many countries.”

Yeah.Israel, maybe.Proof for their general belligerance?

I let you in on a secret: Deeds speak more than words (I know you know that). Usa: Like a billion, offensive (and some “defensive”) wars.
Iran: Defense against Iraq (armed and encouraged wholeheartly in the name of freedom, by the peaceloving and thereby peace preserving USA!).

Israel itself is belligerent.But of course, they actually have a situation that makes this valuable/necessary.Where is your excuse?

“It has announced it’s intentions. It has even stated it’s goal of the annihilation of Isreal.”
You must have taken a course in rhetorics.Amazing.I have the intention to go eat something.How belligerent, I apologize!The second sentence is a blatant lie.Oh wait, you can’t lie if you don’t know the truth.The ability to lie, presumes knowing the truth.Thank you for teaching me semantics!

“If Iran wasn’t being so belligerent we would not be sending drones into their country.”
That’s why homeland security sends drones into the USA.Or do you know better than them.Arrogant.

“I’m sorry if you view America as being belligerent. In the case of the Iraqi war I would say yes. Many Americans didn’t agree with bush.”

And many more agreed.That’s why he was president.I had American aquaintances shunning me because our country didn’t go along with “Iraqi freedom”and was too much of a “pussy” to “show them sand niggas who’s boss”.Make way for the FREEDOM FRIES!

“In my eyes it was a very bad war, but the Iraqi’s have their sovreignry.Iraq is not a part of the US.”
Maybe I should look up the word sovereignty for you.And I’m not only talking about the spelling.

“If Osama Bin Laden hadn’t attach the US from Afganistan and used the Taliban to protect him, we wouldn’t have attacked them either.”

Yeah, I heard he was attached to America.Especially the morally stainless porn industry.

Let plain old X speak plainy: You demanded unconditional access to Afghani soil.The Taliban wanted to put him to trial themselves, probably condeming him to death (of course, you’re an expert on their customs).Totally non imperialist behavior, like austro-hungaria was before WW1: the MOST non-imperial nation.

If an American kills people, your government shields them.We had some American bastards here that threw stones onto a Autobahn, killing a soon-to-be mother and her already born child.If I’d get my hands on them, they’d be dead meat.Well, I guess this will never happen, but one never knows^^

“Hopefully that will be the case, but America is not seeking to be belligerent to any nation on earth. If you believe otherwise that is your opinion. Americans are not brainwashed to believe otherwise. There is no talk of starting a war with Iran.”

Well, maybe you should watch CNN or read the New York Times.What a joke.The fact that you think “Ahmadin” has much power, and that you don’t know about American mistranslations speaks volumes of the free media in freedonia, land of the brave and free.Forward, for freedom we will march!I want you!

Maybe all this noise makes freedom unfree.Ignorance born out of overinformation.

Btw: Of course you’re not brainwashed by your government with anti-governmental propaganda.If you think this means your brain isn’t clean nonetheless, I don’t know what to say.

Your statement is based on anecdotes, so it’s just your opinion.

“It would have been a tough sell to the American people. I hope that this helps you understand us. We are not seeking to be belligerent.”

So, you can speak for your leaders and 320 million people, some of who believe in the literal truth of the bible and wouldn’t even find Russia on a map?Pretty collectivist.

Btw:Americans are infamous salespeople.

Anyway: You claim you are not seeking to be belligerent?Doesn’t change the fact that you are.All your military spending, so that Iran can’t conquer your country with his violent hordes of doom and is excellent blue water navy of death.

Thank you for making it clear that uncle Sam wants the best for us all.Thank you so much, I was beginning to doubt he’d be the kind person that great aunt Britannia was.

As you say: Think about what we could gain by setting our differences aside.

Have a nice day (even though you seem to take offensive with this expression).

Btw: If I’m stronger than you, it is morally acceptable to kick your ass or make you become toothless?

At least you’re honest.

Where did I say this!?

You said your country would not take other soverignity away.Germany wasn’t sovereign in the cold war era.Neither was Japan.

Sovereign nations -for example- are allowed to build up their military any way they want, without having laws made by other countries putting restrictions on them.Is this so hard to understand?

” I’ll have to drop by and visit my countries some time. I guess the US is part of the European union now.”

Makes no sense.

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Supposedly they have nukes despite being the only country in that region with them and no country in that region is allowed to have them….the USA backs them up all the time, but why? And how would their influence change if they stopped?

More research I suppose….but my main point stands — just because I feel sorry for someone doesn’t entitle them to whatever they want and obligate/guilt-trip me to help them in whatever they feel like doing.

Btw: Do you know what your nickname means?

“Your forces in the west got creamed by the allies and Russia needed allied help.”

Haha.Creamed by you!?And btw:Strawman.I never said Russia could do it alone.1 billion people against 60 million Germans.Be proud of your victory (especially the USA, which armed for years before joining).

“You can say what you will, I won’t respond to it anymore.”

Most mature response ever.Cry baby.

“Get over it and think of the good that can happen by setting aside our differences.”

It is you who takes everything personally.There is nothing to get over for me.I won’t suffer your insults without repaying in kind.

PS:Oh my god, he critizised my perfect AMERICA.I hate him now.

How can you know?

“and that the Muslim faith will rule the world.”

And if you read the “holy” Quran, you’ll see that it is their duty to subdue anyone else.In a sense, he has no choice.As you might now, “islam” means submitting to god.

Ps: Yes, I have a quran at home.Like a bible.Still, I’m an atheist.

PPs:Well, I guess one can read it online too.

The problem is, they can retry and retry and retry, to build wmds.

“Most of our defense money is routed to the military, which as it is is rather clunky and inefficient”

Maybe the reason for this is to enable the development of key technologies faster than potential enemies?I ask, since I don’t know the particulars of your military spending.Of course, there are a lot of jobs too.And conservatives might not want any changes.

Have a nice day :)

You said you fought the real war.The east was nothing.To Europeans, the east was legendary manslaughter.

“I guess you didn’t do a good job of retreating if the Russians got their first anyway.”

Yeah.Half of the people were not Russian, but you’re the history expert.

” I have never insulted you.”
Biggest joke ever.Next one.

” You just can’t admit that you are very wrong. “”

Very wrong?Interesting.I can say the same about you.Just ask other non-American wether they perceive things the way you do.

“You can keep coming to this American website,”
Just say if you only want Americans here.I thought you were for freedom of speech.Hypocrite.

Ps: I have to suffer Americans insulting us in our own newspapers, too.Who cares.

“but they are still to this day , of French descent. ”

If you read my comment, you knew that I know this.

” Your perceptions of the war are very different from mine.”
Canadians beg to differ, too.

” I think that you should admit that your premise was that we were trying to be like Britain or France.”

No.No.No.

“They still speak French today. ”
Vraiment?

“Your perceptions of the war are very different from mine.”

Because you’re from the evil empire, I’m not.Jk.

“You characterized the conflict as empire building.”
Yeah, like the historians quoted by wikipedia, and the documentary I send you.

“We were no super power looking for territories. ”

No, the hungry puppy needs to eat, then he can grow into big a big wolf.

Second: You were the one laughing about me.

Third: Both is possible.Or do you think people like Churchill, Emerson or Wilde were dumb?

“Whenever you write it I can’t quite figure out if your sincere. Sometimes I think you are, but most of the times I think you aren’t. ”

Why?Maybe I should use more prases, like “in my opinion”?Or what do you mean?Your culture is not so “straight to the point”.

“I’m surprised that Amara is letting you do personal assassination of character.”

She is pretty much pro freedom:)
Btw:What do you mean?Wanna censor me too?

“For a country like your that tried to rule the world, you seem to be doing quite well now.”
Ruling the world?And your country is different?Btw, where is the proof you were talking about.

“If you think that over 80 percent of your military might was fighting in Russia, then your saying less than 20 percent was fighting the allies. ”

Yes.Thats what I was saying.I also provided a source.Look it up.It’s true.

“We us Russia and the SU interchangeably. ”
And why?Because ignorant people don’t know anything about other countries.

“If we are such a belligerent county, why haven’t we annexed Puerto Rico, Cuba, Mexico, Canada,Iraq,Afganistan,Kuwait”

You think this is necessary to be belligerent?Annexing countries?
I guess Japan wasn’t belligerent towards China, it made puppet states instead.Btw: Cuba fought off your invasions.

“China lost ownership when Britain won it’s wars.”

If force makes right, why moralize if China builds up his military to take it back?Or, don’t you want a rematch, if your side won once?

“We don’t retain the sovriegnry over the countries that we have fought with.”

Really?Japan and my country begg to differ.

“So far you don’t give any compelling reason for me to say you have the facts straight.”

See, you are insulting me again.Maybe this is your fault not mine.I clearly posted my arguments.

” I mean we didn’t attack you, and despite your protests to the contrary, it seems some sixty years layer your doing very well.”

No.You just supplied about every enemy of us with weapons.How kind of you!Maybe we should repay this kindness.

Yeah, we are doing so well.Not.I guess you think we are walking around in “lederhosen”, flushing down “wurst” with “beer” at “oktoberfest” too.That’s our eternal “Zeitgeist.”

“It’s hard to follow a single thread when you are so busy being mad and throwing insults.”

Liar.

“I agree it’s useless to talk civilly with you. You are filled with the propaganda of hatred.”

With whom are you agreeing?Yourself?I am not the one who believes 200 military interventions in 200 years were made for freedom and idealism.Whose propaganda?

Mr.x from bottom.Interesting.You’re from England?Nice.

http://iranlovesisrael.com/
http://www.israelovesiran.com/

They had enough followers (e.g on facebook) to be mentioned in some newspapers (that’s why I rembered it).

Let them talk — the only people who would go to a website like this, are the sort smart enough to understand tact and when to stop. Of course, that’s just my opinion and theory anyway.

Covert ops in very different areas can be difficult, but our CIA used to do that – before they had their funding cut severely. Most of our defense money is routed to the military, which as it is is rather clunky and inefficient (the President himself has directly stated much the same, aiming for a ‘lean, agile military’). All I was saying is that if we really honestly have to make a move, we should do so quietly and swiftly, not using brute force or WMDs. I repeat, nowhere in my post did you see me advocating use of nuclear weapons.

Thank you for the responses. :) Take care.

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“You say that we started the war of 1812. Britain was fighting France. They put up a naval blockade of the French territories in Canada. We thought they might want to be free of British rule. That’s why the war stopped so soon. Instead of fighting the British they fought for them. ”

There were no French territories.French speaking doesn’t make them French.The UK won them in their last war.

You invaded, they held you.Then, after France was beaten, they send three armies and burned down the white house.The war ended.
You repealed three further attacks, both sides thought it wasn’t worth it anymore.A resounding defeat.

” As far as I remember they drove back the Natzi from their nation.”

Train your memory.They also beat up all the balkan nations on our side.

Your statements:
“You guys had no chance of holding onto that territory. You had already bit off more than you could chew with Africa. ”
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“To win an argument you have to prove your accusations.”

You’re either intellectually dishonest, or plain dumb.I think you’re a moral person.

“To win an argument you have to prove your accusations.”

Show me what you proved, pls?I backed up my statements with links, you just claimed stuff.

Where did I declare myself the winner?This alone shows that the truth is of no concern to you, or why do you think in these terms.
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You started insulting me.

= You’re a hypocrite.

Let’s start with proving:

““If Russia really won WWII all of Germany would have been communist.””

This isn’t logically entailed.If you are being honest, this means you can’t think logically.

Russia is not the whole of the SU. This implies you don’t know what you are talking about.

You addressed none of my points.

Example:
Your claim: ” They got to Berlin first, but the allies won back all the rest. That was the real war.”

Wikipedia ( a better source than your memory).
“According to estimates, USSR destroyed 75-80% of living forces of the Wermacht and even higher percentage of armored forcec.”

This doesn’t even take into account, that our forces retreated in order to let you take Germany before the SU could get there (fear of retribution).

“. You have a very distorted view of all the wars that you have spoken about,”

Yeah, you have the ultimate truth.Didn’t you have visions of the past.Haha^^