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		<title>By: Edwin Masters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwin Masters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 21:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a chicken, looks like a chicken, taste like a chicken, I mean religion!  Except they&#039;ll give you paradise here through they&#039;re magic powers!  Everything has led to this way, don&#039;t you see!  Then your too stupid, behind the times or something else.   eventually the things will be embarassed to even have the word Human. If words are even part of their communication at all!  Sorry, but I haven&#039;t given up on us!  I&#039;m not afraid of Death! It&#039;s just a part of existance. When we become our tools, we will no longer be special due to the finiteness of life. Stars die, what&#039;s wrong with that?  Pax!  EAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a chicken, looks like a chicken, taste like a chicken, I mean religion!  Except they&#8217;ll give you paradise here through they&#8217;re magic powers!  Everything has led to this way, don&#8217;t you see!  Then your too stupid, behind the times or something else.   eventually the things will be embarassed to even have the word Human. If words are even part of their communication at all!  Sorry, but I haven&#8217;t given up on us!  I&#8217;m not afraid of Death! It&#8217;s just a part of existance. When we become our tools, we will no longer be special due to the finiteness of life. Stars die, what&#8217;s wrong with that?  Pax!  EAM</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.X</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/italy-elects-first-transhumanist-mp/comment-page-1#comment-33529</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 15:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerning the title of his book: Is transhumanism really that new? 
I think traces of it have been around almost as long as mankind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning the title of his book: Is transhumanism really that new?<br />
I think traces of it have been around almost as long as mankind.</p>
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		<title>By: Giulio Prisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giulio Prisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2012 06:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Scientist &#124; Meet the world&#039;s first transhumanist politician
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528826.100-meet-the-worlds-first-transhumanist-politician.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Scientist | Meet the world&#8217;s first transhumanist politician<br />
<a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528826.100-meet-the-worlds-first-transhumanist-politician.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528826.100-meet-the-worlds-first-transhumanist-politician.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr.X</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/italy-elects-first-transhumanist-mp/comment-page-1#comment-30601</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr.X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 14:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe he just keeps track of the things that are said about him.It is not that hard to do.For a politician, that would actually make sense;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe he just keeps track of the things that are said about him.It is not that hard to do.For a politician, that would actually make sense;)</p>
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		<title>By: Giulio Prisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giulio Prisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 07:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, politicians are constrained by many things, especially public support. When WE, the people in the street, will vocally and actively support transhumanist related research and biotechnological rights, politicians will follow en masse.

In the meantime, there are encouraging signs. As you can see from Giuseppe&#039;s comment below, politicians read KurzweilAI, which is good! Of course, we must keep working and reaching out to the public, the voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, politicians are constrained by many things, especially public support. When WE, the people in the street, will vocally and actively support transhumanist related research and biotechnological rights, politicians will follow en masse.</p>
<p>In the meantime, there are encouraging signs. As you can see from Giuseppe&#8217;s comment below, politicians read KurzweilAI, which is good! Of course, we must keep working and reaching out to the public, the voters.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2012 07:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wish him the best. I think we&#039;ll be seeing alot more focus on Transhumanist related research and biotechnological rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wish him the best. I think we&#8217;ll be seeing alot more focus on Transhumanist related research and biotechnological rights.</p>
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		<title>By: srgg67</title>
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		<dc:creator>srgg67</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 19:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me too :)</description>
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		<title>By: EQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 13:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As do I.</description>
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		<title>By: Mr.x</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 11:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with your comment.</description>
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		<title>By: Giuseppe Vatinno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giuseppe Vatinno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 09:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for yours nice words and a particular greeting to Amara Graps.
I&#039;ll try to do my best.
Giuseppe Vatinno
Rome, Italy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for yours nice words and a particular greeting to Amara Graps.<br />
I&#8217;ll try to do my best.<br />
Giuseppe Vatinno<br />
Rome, Italy</p>
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		<title>By: beppe</title>
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		<dc:creator>beppe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 00:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is not so ironical that this happens in Italy, where Leonardo Da Vinci tried to build a flying machine. And, I think, religious fanaticism is more widespread in the United States rather than in Italy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is not so ironical that this happens in Italy, where Leonardo Da Vinci tried to build a flying machine. And, I think, religious fanaticism is more widespread in the United States rather than in Italy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Mooney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Mooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant idea! This is the type of positive,incisive thinking necessary to make&quot;indefinite life extension a reality&quot;.</description>
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		<title>By: melajara</title>
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		<dc:creator>melajara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 15:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is indeed lack of foresight as Nixon dropped the Apollo project because at this stage it was clear that U.S.A. had won the &quot;race&quot;. 

What race? Just a childish pretense at space mastery by planting a national flag on the moon. 

Yet another stupid phallocratic egomaniac demonstration of the real rubbish motivations driving this achievement. 

It would have been time to grow up by preparing for a permanent base, but no, nothing then and nothing now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is indeed lack of foresight as Nixon dropped the Apollo project because at this stage it was clear that U.S.A. had won the &#8220;race&#8221;. </p>
<p>What race? Just a childish pretense at space mastery by planting a national flag on the moon. </p>
<p>Yet another stupid phallocratic egomaniac demonstration of the real rubbish motivations driving this achievement. </p>
<p>It would have been time to grow up by preparing for a permanent base, but no, nothing then and nothing now.</p>
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		<title>By: Giulio Prisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giulio Prisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, a Futurist government (see other comments on Futurism) would have established a permanent Moonbase in the 70s. Too bad that the strident clang of metal, loved by Futurists, would not be heard on the surface of the Moon out of the base.

Many politicians have nothing against vision, it is just that they love power and cash more. Unpopular causes don&#039;t attract voters. It is _our_ fault that we have fallen out of love with space. If we loved space like in the 60s, politicians would love it too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, a Futurist government (see other comments on Futurism) would have established a permanent Moonbase in the 70s. Too bad that the strident clang of metal, loved by Futurists, would not be heard on the surface of the Moon out of the base.</p>
<p>Many politicians have nothing against vision, it is just that they love power and cash more. Unpopular causes don&#8217;t attract voters. It is _our_ fault that we have fallen out of love with space. If we loved space like in the 60s, politicians would love it too.</p>
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		<title>By: melajara</title>
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		<dc:creator>melajara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very happy such a man won a public political mandate. In the mean time the head of Swiss confederation Mrs Evy Widmer-Schlumpf issued her support for the project of taxing oil in order to bill the consumer CHF 5.- per liter ( this roughly equates to $20 a gallon). Not now of course but in 2050!!!

One has to applaud the Swiss authorities for such foresight. On the other hand one has to lament for the total lack of imagination or recognition of the expectable contribution from science and technology in solving the impending energy crisis (notwithstanding the potential occurrence of the &quot;Singularity&quot; before 2050). 

This is so typical of the current crop of politicians so devoid of genuine vision.  Yet another example of the blindness to the nonlinearity of technological progress Ray is so often denouncing.

The average public and his representing authorities still  fall short of true appreciation of this phenomenon and are backing under ambitious claims for the possible achievements in 2050.

Note that there are blaring counterexamples. Considering Neil Armstrong achievement in 1969, it is such a pity that there is, 43 years ahead, nobody and no installation on the moon now. 
John F. Kennedy would be ashamed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very happy such a man won a public political mandate. In the mean time the head of Swiss confederation Mrs Evy Widmer-Schlumpf issued her support for the project of taxing oil in order to bill the consumer CHF 5.- per liter ( this roughly equates to $20 a gallon). Not now of course but in 2050!!!</p>
<p>One has to applaud the Swiss authorities for such foresight. On the other hand one has to lament for the total lack of imagination or recognition of the expectable contribution from science and technology in solving the impending energy crisis (notwithstanding the potential occurrence of the &#8220;Singularity&#8221; before 2050). </p>
<p>This is so typical of the current crop of politicians so devoid of genuine vision.  Yet another example of the blindness to the nonlinearity of technological progress Ray is so often denouncing.</p>
<p>The average public and his representing authorities still  fall short of true appreciation of this phenomenon and are backing under ambitious claims for the possible achievements in 2050.</p>
<p>Note that there are blaring counterexamples. Considering Neil Armstrong achievement in 1969, it is such a pity that there is, 43 years ahead, nobody and no installation on the moon now.<br />
John F. Kennedy would be ashamed!</p>
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		<title>By: Amara Graps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amara Graps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised by this news. I have strong memories of the upheavals triggered by and around Vatinno in the Italian transhumanist community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised by this news. I have strong memories of the upheavals triggered by and around Vatinno in the Italian transhumanist community.</p>
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		<title>By: melajara</title>
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		<dc:creator>melajara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 13:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democracy by itself is not a very valuable political regime. Besides &quot;Power by the people and for the people&quot;, certain and essential supplemental conditions have to be met to ensure its value. 
(Re)read Plato Republic for a convincing elaboration ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democracy by itself is not a very valuable political regime. Besides &#8220;Power by the people and for the people&#8221;, certain and essential supplemental conditions have to be met to ensure its value.<br />
(Re)read Plato Republic for a convincing elaboration ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: melajara</title>
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		<dc:creator>melajara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought you would refer to Teilhard de Chardin and his cosmism as a preferred and collective path to God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought you would refer to Teilhard de Chardin and his cosmism as a preferred and collective path to God.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mr.x</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 12:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really agree with you, and in no way wanted to say that todays futurists are like that.Even the quote says:&quot;Futurism was&quot;.After all futurism is just a word and words often mean what the majority of people who care say they mean (talking just about communication as it is, not should be).Maybe I should have said it explicitly, but I thought the context would indicate that the quote was about a past historical movement, not a new one going under the same name.

I mentioned this past movement to give evidence to my claim/thought that technology seems to have been an important thing to the people who lived (and live, it seems) in what is modern day Italy.Even in times of dictatorship, which I think is rather remarkable. For all I know, most manifestations of dictatorship are anti-science/ change in their outlook because new technology and new insights can be destabilizing (e.g leading to change, thereby enhancing the probability of social change) and thus really have potential to get in the way of maximizing the payoff of leaders (they&#039;d rather play it safe).This normaly leads to relative backwardness, something which, at least technological, was not the case in Italy.

Maybe this not being afraid of change, in general, was rooted in the fact that (Christianity aside) Rome/Italy was often very pluralistic.Many Gods, many non-Italian provinces, lots of different philosophy (e.g Greek influence), later many states with different allies outside Italy etc.It is also one of the younger nation states.

Of course, these are just some of my ideas after reading this Article, and I am not presumptious enough to try and &quot;explain&quot;/argue about Italy to an Italian.

Ps: It seems many proponents of transhumanism have an interdisciplinary background, by that I mean studied many different subjects to a deeper level.Something they have in common with past&#039;s renaissance men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really agree with you, and in no way wanted to say that todays futurists are like that.Even the quote says:&#8221;Futurism was&#8221;.After all futurism is just a word and words often mean what the majority of people who care say they mean (talking just about communication as it is, not should be).Maybe I should have said it explicitly, but I thought the context would indicate that the quote was about a past historical movement, not a new one going under the same name.</p>
<p>I mentioned this past movement to give evidence to my claim/thought that technology seems to have been an important thing to the people who lived (and live, it seems) in what is modern day Italy.Even in times of dictatorship, which I think is rather remarkable. For all I know, most manifestations of dictatorship are anti-science/ change in their outlook because new technology and new insights can be destabilizing (e.g leading to change, thereby enhancing the probability of social change) and thus really have potential to get in the way of maximizing the payoff of leaders (they&#8217;d rather play it safe).This normaly leads to relative backwardness, something which, at least technological, was not the case in Italy.</p>
<p>Maybe this not being afraid of change, in general, was rooted in the fact that (Christianity aside) Rome/Italy was often very pluralistic.Many Gods, many non-Italian provinces, lots of different philosophy (e.g Greek influence), later many states with different allies outside Italy etc.It is also one of the younger nation states.</p>
<p>Of course, these are just some of my ideas after reading this Article, and I am not presumptious enough to try and &#8220;explain&#8221;/argue about Italy to an Italian.</p>
<p>Ps: It seems many proponents of transhumanism have an interdisciplinary background, by that I mean studied many different subjects to a deeper level.Something they have in common with past&#8217;s renaissance men.</p>
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		<title>By: Giulio Prisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giulio Prisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re &quot;Futurism was an intellectual movement which forcefully emphasized three main ideas: technology, speed, and violence.&quot;

Futurism emphasized speed and technology. It also emphasized violence, in the sense of eliminating the old to make place for the new, but we should not forget that most ideologies promoted violence at that time, and most nations were at war all the time. So, I think the emphasis on violence was an incidental concession to the zeitgeist rather than a defining feature of Futurism. Today&#039;s Italian Futurists, who claim Marinetti&#039;s heritage (see link in the post), are peaceful and non-violent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re &#8220;Futurism was an intellectual movement which forcefully emphasized three main ideas: technology, speed, and violence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Futurism emphasized speed and technology. It also emphasized violence, in the sense of eliminating the old to make place for the new, but we should not forget that most ideologies promoted violence at that time, and most nations were at war all the time. So, I think the emphasis on violence was an incidental concession to the zeitgeist rather than a defining feature of Futurism. Today&#8217;s Italian Futurists, who claim Marinetti&#8217;s heritage (see link in the post), are peaceful and non-violent.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.x</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 10:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Italy has an history of enamouredness with technology.From the ancient engineering feats of the Roman Empire to the inventions of the renaissance and fascism&#039;s steel monsters, Italy has often been at the forefront of technological developments.Fascism, for example, thought the time was come to exhange weak humans for migthy machines on the battlefield, leading to some (at that time) very advanced technologies but badly schooled soldiers. 

Since that could be controversial on here I qoute from wiki: &quot;Mussolini&#039;s use of systematic propaganda to pass on simple slogans such as &quot;believe, obey, fight&quot; and his exploitation of the radio developed under the influence of Italian Futurism. Futurism was an intellectual movement which forcefully emphasized three main ideas: technology, speed, and violence.

@Gibson: In the moment in which you call other forms of groupbuilding than yours tribalism you yourself are engaging in it.Identifiyng as member of one group does not exclude the membership of an rather abstract &quot;human/all group&quot;.This tribalism charge often comes from people who grew up in &quot;immigration countries&quot;, who should neither take themselves to be representative for humanity as a whole nor for the pinnacle of civilization.Just look at your crime rates.

And anti-democratic does not nessecarily have to be something bad (I know, I am evil); for example pure democratic rule would often trample the rights of minorities.As for today, most people killed by foreign powers seem to be killed by self-styled democracies.

@James.Transhumanism advocates extreme intervention and changes in the human body, thus changing what&#039;s build in god&#039;s likeness.Back then, when christians had more might than today, even examination of dead bodies was forbidden.This hardly meshes with the pro-science,pro human point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Italy has an history of enamouredness with technology.From the ancient engineering feats of the Roman Empire to the inventions of the renaissance and fascism&#8217;s steel monsters, Italy has often been at the forefront of technological developments.Fascism, for example, thought the time was come to exhange weak humans for migthy machines on the battlefield, leading to some (at that time) very advanced technologies but badly schooled soldiers. </p>
<p>Since that could be controversial on here I qoute from wiki: &#8220;Mussolini&#8217;s use of systematic propaganda to pass on simple slogans such as &#8220;believe, obey, fight&#8221; and his exploitation of the radio developed under the influence of Italian Futurism. Futurism was an intellectual movement which forcefully emphasized three main ideas: technology, speed, and violence.</p>
<p>@Gibson: In the moment in which you call other forms of groupbuilding than yours tribalism you yourself are engaging in it.Identifiyng as member of one group does not exclude the membership of an rather abstract &#8220;human/all group&#8221;.This tribalism charge often comes from people who grew up in &#8220;immigration countries&#8221;, who should neither take themselves to be representative for humanity as a whole nor for the pinnacle of civilization.Just look at your crime rates.</p>
<p>And anti-democratic does not nessecarily have to be something bad (I know, I am evil); for example pure democratic rule would often trample the rights of minorities.As for today, most people killed by foreign powers seem to be killed by self-styled democracies.</p>
<p>@James.Transhumanism advocates extreme intervention and changes in the human body, thus changing what&#8217;s build in god&#8217;s likeness.Back then, when christians had more might than today, even examination of dead bodies was forbidden.This hardly meshes with the pro-science,pro human point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 09:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;All politicians are rubbish! This one is different though! Until he becomes rubbish.&quot; Transhumanist tribalism is still tribalism, and anti-democratic nonsense to boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;All politicians are rubbish! This one is different though! Until he becomes rubbish.&#8221; Transhumanist tribalism is still tribalism, and anti-democratic nonsense to boot.</p>
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		<title>By: peteni.</title>
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		<dc:creator>peteni.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real issue for humans is the fact we are a diversifying species attempting to survive in a finite space. Loose groupings, each attempting to solve the confusion of persistence feel threatened by other groups solutions generating natural funnels of direction (diversity!). It&#039;s what got us here in the first place. The two principles we should use to ensure something of our creativity is propogated into the future are &#039;respect&#039;&#039;; we are non of us &#039;sacred&#039;, however beautiful we are,your idea is as valid as mine even if I don&#039;t agree with it and &#039;frankness&#039;, the human skill of self-deceit is our greatest accomplishment, we need to open up the conversation by clearly separating the fairy stories from the future stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real issue for humans is the fact we are a diversifying species attempting to survive in a finite space. Loose groupings, each attempting to solve the confusion of persistence feel threatened by other groups solutions generating natural funnels of direction (diversity!). It&#8217;s what got us here in the first place. The two principles we should use to ensure something of our creativity is propogated into the future are &#8216;respect&#8221;; we are non of us &#8216;sacred&#8217;, however beautiful we are,your idea is as valid as mine even if I don&#8217;t agree with it and &#8216;frankness&#8217;, the human skill of self-deceit is our greatest accomplishment, we need to open up the conversation by clearly separating the fairy stories from the future stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Khannea Suntzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khannea Suntzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 07:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I think I met the guy while I was in Milan.</description>
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		<title>By: Bri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2012 00:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. Most of our politicians seem in the dark, as to what is happening in relation to the singularity and tech in general. Hard to govern well with ones eyes shut.</description>
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		<title>By: Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to no personal attacks?</description>
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		<title>By: Vin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He sounds better than the usual type of politician, but I must admit results are important too.  But I&#039;d probably vote for him over every politician and peer in the current English government who are well trapped in mediaevalism and myth it seems most times.  I guess,  energy resourcing is a balancing act but perhaps tipping over more to alternative to oil with each increase in tech.  When that happens, it is probably best to have a tech and science savvy politician about to explain in rational terms ...erm .. why the government, as typical, isn&#039;t backing it  :D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He sounds better than the usual type of politician, but I must admit results are important too.  But I&#8217;d probably vote for him over every politician and peer in the current English government who are well trapped in mediaevalism and myth it seems most times.  I guess,  energy resourcing is a balancing act but perhaps tipping over more to alternative to oil with each increase in tech.  When that happens, it is probably best to have a tech and science savvy politician about to explain in rational terms &#8230;erm .. why the government, as typical, isn&#8217;t backing it  :D.</p>
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		<title>By: James McLean Ledford</title>
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		<dc:creator>James McLean Ledford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This does not suprise me Christianity and Transhumanism are ULTIMATELY one and the same :)  www.hyper-evolution.com</description>
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