Comments on: Mapping brain circuits for specific functions http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions Accelerating Intelligence Tue, 21 May 2013 12:57:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Editor http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-46102 Editor Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:03:13 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-46102 Fixed, thanks for the catch. Fixed, thanks for the catch.

]]> By: CD Gulabau http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-46084 CD Gulabau Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:11:59 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-46084 You must change the subtitle of this article immediately. Autism is not a psychiatric condition. You must change the subtitle of this article immediately. Autism is not a psychiatric condition.

]]> By: MrFriendly http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-45278 MrFriendly Mon, 22 Oct 2012 10:22:37 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-45278 http://www.slideshare.net/bdamer/the-singularity-is-far-singularity-u-presentation-by-bruce-damer-aug-2010 Simulating protein folding requires supercomputers. There are hundreds of millions of proteins in a single neuron, and they react in many different ways - ways which aren't understood well, at all. Even Henry Markram has said that there are no supercomputers right now that can simulate an entire neuron at the molecular level. Btw, strong AI on a desktop computer? Who said that is possible? Seems a bit optimistic, to me. In any case, I just think that AGI will happen without a full understanding of the brain, but that what will be learned in the coming decades will greatly help. http://www.slideshare.net/bdamer/the-singularity-is-far-singularity-u-presentation-by-bruce-damer-aug-2010

Simulating protein folding requires supercomputers. There are hundreds of millions of proteins in a single neuron, and they react in many different ways – ways which aren’t understood well, at all. Even Henry Markram has said that there are no supercomputers right now that can simulate an entire neuron at the molecular level.

Btw, strong AI on a desktop computer? Who said that is possible? Seems a bit optimistic, to me.

In any case, I just think that AGI will happen without a full understanding of the brain, but that what will be learned in the coming decades will greatly help.

]]> By: Editor http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-45037 Editor Sun, 21 Oct 2012 13:50:20 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-45037 Bruce Damer, http://www.damer.com/background/bio.html, is co-creator of EvoGrid, a project to create a simulation of the chemical origins of life on Earth. http://www.evogrid.org/index.php/Main_Page Bruce Damer, http://www.damer.com/background/bio.html, is co-creator of EvoGrid, a project to create a simulation of the chemical origins of life on Earth.
http://www.evogrid.org/index.php/Main_Page

]]> By: John http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-44937 John Sun, 21 Oct 2012 08:00:53 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-44937 Maybe you both had this art association because of the "Scream" picture nearby ;) Maybe you both had this art association because of the “Scream” picture nearby ;)

]]> By: Jerry http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-44925 Jerry Sun, 21 Oct 2012 06:35:54 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-44925 I can't find much info on this Bruce Damer guy, but his view on us being incapable of modelling a neuron at the molecular level is laughable. Being a programmer with a keen interest in neuroscience and quantum physics I am incapable of seeing how this is true. For me, I follow those that believe if we had the right code we could run a Strong AI on today's home computers. A vast amount of simplicity giving rise to complexity. Look at Conway's Game of life to see the perfect example of complexity arising from simplicity. We won't likely discover this code at first, it'll be the simulation of neurons at the cell level that'll achieve that imo. I am open to all research so feel free to recommend me studies or books by Damer, maybe he's on to something I'm yet aware of. I can’t find much info on this Bruce Damer guy, but his view on us being incapable of modelling a neuron at the molecular level is laughable. Being a programmer with a keen interest in neuroscience and quantum physics I am incapable of seeing how this is true.

For me, I follow those that believe if we had the right code we could run a Strong AI on today’s home computers. A vast amount of simplicity giving rise to complexity. Look at Conway’s Game of life to see the perfect example of complexity arising from simplicity. We won’t likely discover this code at first, it’ll be the simulation of neurons at the cell level that’ll achieve that imo.

I am open to all research so feel free to recommend me studies or books by Damer, maybe he’s on to something I’m yet aware of.

]]> By: MrFriendly http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-44748 MrFriendly Sat, 20 Oct 2012 23:24:38 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-44748 Paul Allen is making his judgments based on what neuroscientists are telling him. When the vast majority of them say that the reverse-engineering of the brain in this century is a virtual fantasy, any reasonable person will take that to heart. Besides, even if they do figure out how it all works, modeling it will not be possible with digital computers. Bruce Damer has even said that we're several generations of supercomputers away from being able to model ONE neuron at the molecular level. Paul Allen is making his judgments based on what neuroscientists are telling him. When the vast majority of them say that the reverse-engineering of the brain in this century is a virtual fantasy, any reasonable person will take that to heart.

Besides, even if they do figure out how it all works, modeling it will not be possible with digital computers. Bruce Damer has even said that we’re several generations of supercomputers away from being able to model ONE neuron at the molecular level.

]]> By: melajara http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-44692 melajara Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:10:23 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-44692 Actually I didn't think of Monet just because of the colors but because of the soothing effect of this image, quite intriguing. Actually I didn’t think of Monet just because of the colors but because of the soothing effect of this image, quite intriguing.

]]> By: melajara http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-44687 melajara Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:02:04 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-44687 Seems we are at least 2 here having the same reaction to this picture. I had the following comment ready yesterday but for whatever reason, I didn't leave it. This beautiful image reminds me of a Monet painting. Mingling art with science, yet again from an Asian mind cf http://www.kurzweilai.net/nanoflowers-increase-battery-and-supercapacitor-storage-capacity Seems we are at least 2 here having the same reaction to this picture.

I had the following comment ready yesterday but for whatever reason, I didn’t leave it.

This beautiful image reminds me of a Monet painting. Mingling art with science, yet again from an Asian mind cf http://www.kurzweilai.net/nanoflowers-increase-battery-and-supercapacitor-storage-capacity

]]> By: Mr.X http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-44685 Mr.X Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:55:59 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-44685 Well, I had the impression that Mr.Allen just ignored some of Mr.Kurzweil's arguments. Maybe he has lost the eye of the tiger concerning technology et al. ;) Just kidding. Well, I had the impression that Mr.Allen just ignored some of Mr.Kurzweil’s arguments.

Maybe he has lost the eye of the tiger concerning technology et al. ;) Just kidding.

]]> By: Bri http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-44670 Bri Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:08:40 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-44670 Despite Paul Allens views on brain research, I think Ray is right , to bring in the analogy of the human genome project. It was all gloom and doom, till Craig Ventor came along. This time around, there are so many different types of researches, focusing on so many different aspects, and they are much mote connected to each other. Despite Paul Allens views on brain research, I think Ray is right , to bring in the analogy of the human genome project. It was all gloom and doom, till Craig Ventor came along. This time around, there are so many different types of researches, focusing on so many different aspects, and they are much mote connected to each other.

]]> By: GAUSS http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-44655 GAUSS Sat, 20 Oct 2012 17:35:24 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-44655 Agreed. Exponential progress in all areas means every bit of progress goes into a feedback loop, enhancing and accelerating the actions of the next time step. Very exciting times to live in! Agreed. Exponential progress in all areas means every bit of progress goes into a feedback loop, enhancing and accelerating the actions of the next time step. Very exciting times to live in!

]]> By: erichlof http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-44479 erichlof Sat, 20 Oct 2012 05:25:02 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-44479 The photo at the top of this story is remarkably close in style to a Gustav Klimpt painting from the early 20th century: http://www.klimt.com/en/gallery/landscapes/klimt-italienische-gartenlandschaft-1913.ihtml It also reminds me of late Monet water-lilies. Just thought that was interesting that a section of brain could conjure up thoughts of art. The photo at the top of this story is remarkably close in style to a Gustav Klimpt painting from the early 20th century:
http://www.klimt.com/en/gallery/landscapes/klimt-italienische-gartenlandschaft-1913.ihtml
It also reminds me of late Monet water-lilies. Just thought that was interesting that a section of brain could conjure up thoughts of art.

]]> By: MrFriendly http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-44365 MrFriendly Fri, 19 Oct 2012 23:04:07 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-44365 Considering that most neuroscientists seem to think it's going to take nearly a century to reverse-engineer the brain, I'm not that optimistic. I'll be happy if they can figure out how an insect's brain works in my lifetime. Considering that most neuroscientists seem to think it’s going to take nearly a century to reverse-engineer the brain, I’m not that optimistic.

I’ll be happy if they can figure out how an insect’s brain works in my lifetime.

]]> By: Bri http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-44229 Bri Fri, 19 Oct 2012 17:39:34 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-44229 This bolsters Ray,s argument, that new imaging tools will come along and speed up, the brain reverse engineering process. This bolsters Ray,s argument, that new imaging tools will come along and speed up, the brain reverse engineering process.

]]> By: John http://www.kurzweilai.net/mapping-brain-circuits-for-specific-functions/comment-page-1#comment-44183 John Fri, 19 Oct 2012 15:35:00 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167615#comment-44183 If indeed this allows mass-monitoring of many neurons concurrent activity as shown in video, this is HUGE.. If indeed this allows mass-monitoring of many neurons concurrent activity as shown in video, this is HUGE..

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