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Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/30/2009 9:33 PM by eldras
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Hi Pande!

What's your background?

I'm an A.I. enthusiast

Cheers

Eldras
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/30/2009 9:36 PM by Pandemonium1323
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Hey Eldras,
I'm a transhumanist, visionary, and ultra-optimist.

I've also been broken by life and all it's trials.

I hallucinate, both audibly and visually, nearly on a daily basis.

I have an IQ roughly around 140.

I want to heal the world, but in anger I want to destroy it, or at least humans.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/30/2009 9:38 PM by Pandemonium1323
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Btw, the shorthand of my name is Pan...I am the Pan Covenant...the promise of all fecundity...the embedded fractal....
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/30/2009 9:51 PM by eldras
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Have you tried epa:dha 7:1 (andrew stoll, Harvard)

it may reduce your interesting neural patterns.

There is no advance except thru struggle.

Great ur a visionary optomist.

'He who says of me i have thus faults knows nothng about me: I am defined by my opus"
Neitzche paraphrase

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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/30/2009 9:54 PM by Pandemonium1323
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Fuck Nietshce

Dąbrowski's theory

Kazimierz Dąbrowski (1902 - 1980), a Polish psychiatrist and psychologist, developed the Theory of Positive Disintegration over his lifetime of clinical and academic work. The Theory of Positive Disintegration is a novel approach to personality development.
Dąbrowski's theory of personality development emphasized several major features including:
personality is not a given universal trait, it must be created—shaped—by the individual to reflect his or her own unique character (personality shaping)
personality develops as a result of the action of developmental potential (DP) (overexcitability and the autonomous factor), not everyone displays sufficient DP to create a unique personality.
developmental potential is represented in the population by a normal (bell) curve. Dąbrowski used a multilevel approach to describe the continuum of developmental levels seen in the population.
developmental potential creates crises characterized by strong anxieties and depressions—psychoneurosis—that precipitate disintegration
for personality to develop, initial integrations based on instinct and socialization must disintegrate—a process Dabrowski called positive disintegration
the development of a hierarchy of individual values—emotional reactions—are a critical component in developing one's personality and one's autonomy, thus, in contrast to most psychological theories, emotions play a major role in this approach
emotional reactions guide the individual in creating his or her individual personality ideal, an autonomous standard that acts as the goal of individual development
the individual must examine his or her essence and subsequently make existential choices that emphasize those aspects of essence that are higher and "more myself" and inhibit those aspects that are lower or "less myself" based upon his or her own personality ideal
critical components of individual development include autoeducation and autopsychotherapy
[edit]Factors in development
Dąbrowski observed that most people live their lives in a state of "primary or primitive integration" largely guided by biological impulses ("first factor") and/or by uncritical endorsement and adherence to social convention ("second factor"). He called this initial integration Level I. Dąbrowski observed that at this level there is no true individual expression of the autonomous human self. Individual expression at Level I is influenced and constrained by the first two factors.
The first factor channels energy and talents toward accomplishing self-serving goals that reflect the lower instincts and biological ego — its primary focus is on survival and self-advancement. Often talents are used in antisocial or asocial ways. For example, at the lowest edge of Level I many criminals display this type of selfish behavior. They advance their own goals at the expense of others.
The second factor, the social environment (milieu) and peer pressure, constrains individual expression and creativity by encouraging a group view of life and discouraging unique thought and expression. The second factor externalizes values and mores, thereby externalizing conscience. Social forces shape expectations. Behavior and one's talents and creativity are funneled into forms that follow and support the existing social milieu. "My mom says we should always be aware of what our lawn looks like because we want other people to think well of us when they drive by." Because conscience is derived from an external social context, so long as society holds ethical standards people influenced by second factor will behave ethically. However if a society, church, or government becomes corrupt, as in Nazi Germany, people strongly influenced by second factor will not dissent. Socialization without individual examination leads to a rote and robotic existence (the "robopath" described by Ludwig von Bertalanffy). Individual reactions are not unique, they are based upon social contexts ("I cry at funerals and laugh at weddings — everyone does"). According to Dąbrowski, people primarily motivated by second factor represent a significant majority of the general population.
Dąbrowski felt that our society was largely influenced by these lower two factors and could be characterized as operating at Level I. For example, our emphasis on corporate success ("a dog eat dog mentality") means that many CEOs operate on the basis of first factor — they will quickly sacrifice another to enhance their own advancement. As well, our educational, political, corporate, and media systems are self promoting and discourage real examination or individual autonomy — the second factor. Alternatively, social justifications are often used: "of course I break the speed limit, everyone does." Or a soldier may explain that he or she was simply "following orders." Thus, this external value system absolves the individual of any individual responsibility.
Dąbrowski also described a group of people who display a different course: an individualized developmental pathway. These people break away from an automatic, rote, socialized view of life (which Dąbrowski called negative adjustment) and move into and through a series of personal disintegrations. Dąbrowski saw these disintegrations as a key element in the overall developmental process. Crises challenge our status quo and cause us to review our self, ideas, values, thoughts, ideals, etc. If development continues, one goes on to develop an individualized, conscious and critically evaluated hierarchical value structure (called positive adjustment). This hierarchy of values acts as a benchmark by which all things are now seen, and the higher values in our internal hierarchy come to direct our behavior (no longer based on external social mores). These higher, individual values characterize an eventual second integration reflecting individual autonomy and for Dąbrowski, mark the arrival of true human personality. At this level, each person develops his or her own vision of how life ought to be and lives it. This higher level is associated with strong individual approaches to problem solving and creativity. One's talents and creativity are applied in the service of these higher individual values and visions of how life could be - how the world ought to be. The person expresses his or her "new" autonomous personality energetically through action, art, social change and so on.
[edit]Development potential
Advanced development is often seen in people who exhibit strong developmental potential ("DP"). Developmental potential represents a constellation of genetic features, expressed and mediated through environmental interaction. Many factors are incorporated in developmental potential but three major aspects are highlighted: overexcitability (OE), specific abilities and talents, and a strong drive toward autonomous growth, a feature Dąbrowski called the "third factor."
Overexcitability
The most evident aspect of developmental potential is overexcitability (OE), a heightened physiological experience of stimuli resulting from increased neuronal sensitivities. The greater the OE, the more intense are the day-to-day experiences of life. Dąbrowski outlined five forms of OE: psychomotor, sensual, imaginational, intellectual and emotional. These overexcitabilities, especially the latter three, often cause a person to experience daily life more intensely and to feel the extremes of the joys and sorrows of life profoundly. Dąbrowski studied human exemplars and found that heightened overexcitability was a key part of their developmental and life experience. These people are steered and driven by their value "rudder", their sense of emotional OE. Combined with imaginational and intellectual OE, these people have a powerful perception of the world. "I can hear the grass screaming when my dad cuts the lawn! I shout at him to STOP and he (again) just shakes his head. I can't bear to watch."
Although based in the nervous system, overexcitabilities come to be expressed psychologically through the development of structures that reflect the emerging autonomous self. The most important of these conceptualizations are dynamisms: biological or mental forces that control behavior and its development. "Instincts, drives and intellectual processes combined with emotions are dynamisms" (Dąbrowski 1972, 294). With advanced development, dynamisms increasingly reflect movement toward autonomy.
Abilities and talents
The second arm of developmental potential, specific abilities and talents, tends to serve the person's developmental level. As outlined, people at lower levels use talents to support egocentric goals or to climb the social and corporate ladders. At higher levels, specific talents and abilities become an important force as they are channeled by the person's value hierarchy into expressing and achieving the person's vision of his or her ideal personality and his or her view of how the world ought to be.
The third factor
The third aspect of developmental potential, the third factor, is a drive toward individual growth and autonomy. The third factor is critical as it applies one's talents and creativity toward autonomous expression, and second, it provides motivation to strive for more and to try to imagine and achieve goals currently beyond one's grasp. (Dąbrowski was clear to differentiate third factor from free will. He felt that free will did not go far enough in capturing the motivating aspects that he attributed to third factor. For example, an individual can exercise free will and show little motivation to grow or change as an individual. Third factor specifically describes a motivation -- a motivation to become one's self. This motivation is often so strong that in some situations we can observe that one needs to develop oneself and that in so doing, it places one at great peril. This feeling of "I've gotta be me" especially when it is "at any cost" and especially when it is expressed as a strong motivator for self-growth is beyond the usual conceptualization ascribed to free will.
A person whose DP is high enough will generally undergo disintegration, despite any external social or family efforts to prevent it. A person whose DP is low will generally not undergo disintegration (or positive personality growth) even in a conducive environment.
The notion is that some people have an innate potential for development that is determined by a higher sensitivity or overexcitability (analogous to the first aspect of DP) and by a related tendency to develop individual differences and autonomy from the group (analogous to the third aspect of DP) was independently developed by Elaine Aron (see Highly sensitive person).[1] (although it should be noted that Aron's approach is substantially different than Dabrowski's.)
[edit]A mixed blessing?
Dąbrowski called OE "a tragic gift" to reflect that the road of the person with strong OE is not a smooth or easy one. Potentials to experience great highs are also potentials to experience great lows. Similarly, potentials to express great creativity hold the likelihood of experiencing a great deal of personal conflict and stress. This stress both drives development and is a result of developmental conflicts, both intrapsychic and social. Suicide is a significant risk in the acute phases of this stress. The isolation often experienced by these people heightens the risk of self-harm.
Dąbrowski advocated autopsychotherapy, educating the person about OEs and the disintegrative process to give him or her a context within which to understand intense feelings and needs. Dąbrowski suggested giving people support in their efforts to develop and find their own self-expression. Children and adults with high DP have to find and walk their own path, often at the expense of fitting in with their social peers and even with their families. At the core of autopsychotherapy is the awareness that no one can show anyone else the "right" path. Everyone has to find their own path for themselves. As Joseph Campbell described the knights on the Grail Quest: If a path exists in the forest, don't follow it, for though it took someone else to the Grail, it will not take you there, because it is not your path.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/30/2009 9:59 PM by eldras
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Ho I'm supposed to read that right!

Sounds great, but we know the huiman mind is not compreheneded even by science yet.

You have street cred with me....your intelligence and humanity shine through.

What's your interest in A.I.?

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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/30/2009 10:05 PM by Pandemonium1323
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What's your interest in A.I.?

We must 'become the Other'

We need to cross the explanatory gap, between the synthetic and the natural, and merge the two.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/30/2009 10:56 PM by eldras
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La Cann?

Not domination then, the universal life force down a microscope?

the opther, yes contact is fundamental. most people get married.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/30/2009 11:06 PM by Phillippe
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the synthetic

You sure are hung up on the synthetic. "Synthetic" does not mean "perfect". If we all become cyborg tinmen it won't make us any more perfect, because perfection is an impossibility. And entirely subjective to boot. One person's perfect is another person's flawed.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 4:35 AM by exapted
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If perfect is subjective, then I say perfection is possible. The idea that perfection is impossible probably comes from Plato and later Christian humility. The idea is that "this world" doesn't contain perfect things, as if there is some alternative (perhaps notional) world where things are perfect.

With technology, we can make human bodies better - faster, stronger, longer-lasting. That's actual perfection.

Or things could go to hell in a handbasket with the singularity, I think that's possible too of course. War, extinction, etc.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 10:00 AM by Phillippe
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If perfect is subjective, then I say perfection is possible.

Well of course. The point is, the attained perfection would be so only to you, which is what subjective means.

Hitler thought the annihilation of the Jews would make a more perfect world. He honestly thought that. And he very nearly succeeded, at least in eastern Europe. But that idea of perfection was subjective, as is all perfection of any kind.

When you begin to seriously think that perfection is possible, you have merrily started down the path of Hitler and so many other errant thinkers.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 10:01 AM by exapted
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Playing the nazi card are you? I didn't mean that only I would define perfection. I just mean that society as a whole does not need to consider true perfection to be other worldy. It can be of this world.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 10:06 AM by Pandemonium1323
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In all of the discussions about physics and ontology, I'm reminded again that it's harder to find something flawed, or something finite, than it is to find perfection or the infinite.
I'm more curious now if there can be anything that is less than perfect. I kind of doubt it, but it would be a novel find.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 10:11 AM by Phillippe
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I'm reminded again that it's harder to find something flawed, or something finite, than it is to find perfection or the infinite.

Please give a specific example of what you mean by this statement that is not completely subjective.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 10:15 AM by Pandemonium1323
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What I mean is that I actually can't look at anything in reality, either epistemological or ontological as finite...everywhere I look, I find evidence that 'it' is infinite, whatever 'it' happens to be.
There seems to be unbounded infinites and bounded infinites, but I can't find any finites....anywhere.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 10:20 AM by Phillippe
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Everywhere I look I see finites, and no observation of anything is infinite in quantity, so you are incorrect sir.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 10:27 AM by Pandemonium1323
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Everywhere I look I see finites, and no observation of anything is infinite in quantity, so you are incorrect sir.

I used to think so too.
But there is no 'quantity'. Things are numberless.
The 'verse is like origami in reverse. We aren't folding it, we're unfolding it. Exploding nodes. networking an infinite substance. Stretching perfect circles into infinite spirals.
I can go on with the poetry, but the bottom line is I doubt that there is one thing you can point to, and say with absolute certainty, that it's finite.
Everything has an 'infinite shoreline', everything is fractal. So there are no finites. Finites would cease to exist in the same instant that they began to exist.
What I'm saying, is that the 'verse cannot support finite...anything...finite structures, finite energy...finite consciousness...nothing could be finite and exist...it has to be infinite.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 10:31 AM by exapted
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If we think of the universe as a coordinate system, perhaps we see no limit to the number of possible configurations. But isn't that assuming that there are continuous variables, which keep on being continuous all the way down? What empirical warrant do we have for that, and what do we gain by such a view except an open mindedness to deeper and deeper patterns?
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 10:39 AM by Pandemonium1323
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and what do we gain by such a view except an open mindedness to deeper and deeper patterns?

anser:

an open mindedness to deeper and deeper patterns?

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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 10:48 AM by exapted
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Fair enough. I just thought there was a distinction between definitions and intentions. Can't we have the same attitude, while insisting on coherent definitions? Or are you actually saying that assuming continuous variables all the way down is just another application of induction?
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 10:53 AM by exapted
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Because as we do get deeper, we find that the variables might be continuous, but at least they are lumpy rather than smooth. This is perhaps getting too abstract to make much sense, but I'm genuinely curious.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 10:57 AM by Pandemonium1323
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Or are you actually saying that assuming continuous variables all the way down is just another application of induction?

Not quite getting what you're saying here???
What I'm saying is that it seems that even matter and energy have no precisely definable boundaries...making it next to impossible to define where one thing begins or ends...the infinite shoreline.
It's like this idea of 'particles' as eensy teensy 'billiard balls' that go buzzing around 'space'...that's not what it actually IS! The 'verse isn't a pool table....particles aren't little 'balls'.
It's more like an infinitely compressible substance. What we call 'density' is just an area of the 'verse being squeezed harder than another area by comparison.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 11:07 AM by Pandemonium1323
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I guess an easier way to put it is like this:
I can only find either a bounded infinite (the epistemological/emergent/phenomenal) or an unbounded infinite (the ontos/singularity/immanent).
Strangely, I cannot find any finite. This has kinda caused a little snarl in my mind for the last couple of weeks, cause now I'm really curious if I can find one....seems like the more dificult thing to do, so it piques my curiosity.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 11:10 AM by exapted
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Interesting topic for a thread. This right-side space isn't big enough to nest such a discussion - I think I would get confused.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 11:20 AM by exapted
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Well I guess I see one way of thinking about it that sort of makes sense to my brain. Your last post there helped.

I can only find either a bounded infinite (the epistemological/emergent/phenomenal) or an unbounded infinite (the ontos/singularity/immanent).

So either there is no end to the complexity, or there is an end to the complexity. An end would be some coherent invariant limit inherent in the substrate. No end means there is probably not any coherent and complete way to describe reality.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 11:23 AM by exapted
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But I still don't get what is infinite in a "bounded infinite". Isn't "infinite" here just a quality rather than a quantity?
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 11:33 AM by exapted
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Language is not working well for me here. What I mean is that I think in a "bounded infinite" we are projecting form onto reality by assuming the variables are continuous. I guess the next question is what evidence we have for or against the hypothesis that the universe operates with truly continuous variables.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 11:09 AM by exapted
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I am thinking that, even in a universe where configurations vary according to continuous variables all the way down, it should be possible for a finite pattern to emerge (a force) such that no patterns of greater complexity emerge. And "continuous" is also a characterization, like "billiard balls".
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 10:10 AM by Pandemonium1323
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The 'nazi card' is an easy one to play....however, it did give us something interesting...the concept of a 'final solution'...
...in the end, all violence, in any form is a 'final solution'....and we know how that works out...this is why I strive to be a pacifist....'final solutions' really aren't as final as we tend to think they are...
...violence always begets more violence....and it never ends....retribution only insures that someone will try to kill you children, or their children sometime in the future....blood feuds don't have a 'final solution'....
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 10:27 AM by exapted
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I think Nazism was decadence. In my view it does not demonstrate that pacifism is ideal.

I think the word 'perfection' should be defined to be something that is not decadent, and attainable. No "ideal form" as perfection unless it is attainable. No "other worldliness".
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 11/01/2009 9:48 PM by clbell
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"When you begin to seriously think that perfection is possible, you have merrily started down the path of Hitler and so many other errant thinkers."

A better path to perfection would surely be moving people closer to perfection than destroying them. When we become one with computer technology, race will be completely irrelevant. Let's lay off the comparisons to Hilter, shall we?
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 11:27 AM by doojie
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Cross the gap and merge the two? Ony with a female, dude.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 11/07/2009 3:09 PM by gawell
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Fuck the dead?
or just some recorded words preserved...
necronietzia?

from a grave grown all over with living plants
freddy says, "fpn, before it's too late."

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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/30/2009 9:53 PM by eldras
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pattern fractals are good. it can be extremely lonley if you raise your intelligence to visionary, i hear.
Sort of a silver back gorilla thing.

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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 1:10 AM by NanoStuff
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I have an IQ roughly around 140.
lol, there really needs to be a class action lawsuit against cereal box IQ tests.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 1:19 AM by gawell
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roughly is ill=defined
+or- 100

87 is averaged to renormalization standard, bit oily.

140-87=53

could be age equivalent.

so, Pande is self-determinant.
1323 backwards and added is 54.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 1:57 AM by sheik.hamdan.hushaml
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I have an IQ roughly around 140.

IQ scores are the most inaccurate of all measures. It depends on culture, opportunities, and many other factors. 140 is not all that great to begin with. Climb out of the tree, IQ has been discredited.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 3:02 AM by aldersondrive2007
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I agree, to a large extent.

However, in all probability, you take 1000 people who scored 140 or higher on the test and you will find them generally much more interesting to have conversations with on a larger number of topics, than 1000 people who score at just the dull average of 95 to 105.

It is a bell curve, and there would be individual exceptions, of course.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 9:40 AM by Pandemonium1323
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All of you misunderstand IQ.
It's a narrow measurement of what we term 'intelligence'.
Truth is, it's very accurate in what it measures, but some make the mistake of believing that what it measures actually is all of intelligence, and it's far from it.
Intelligence is much more broad spectrum than what IQ measures, however, what IQ does measure, it does so accurately.
Generally speaking, IQ tests were invented to test very specific skill sets that were needed to be successful in college, in the 20th century. They are outdated, but no one has come up with anything to take it's place.
The reason I mentioned my IQ in this thread, is because many arrogant, insufferable wannabe intellectuals often will try to dismiss someone based on the 'authority' of having college degrees. I've admitted that I have no formal education, due to circumstances, however, it would be a mistake to dismiss me as an idiot, which some of the people here try to do.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 11:32 AM by NanoStuff
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I've admitted that I have no formal education
Formal education is not your problem. You have no apparent education formal or informal, that is your problem. Nothing personal, this is apparent in just about every self-acclaimed person here.

it would be a mistake to dismiss me as an idiot
The slogan of every idiot.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 12:13 PM by doojie
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I went to college. Was on the Dean's List. Second in my class(I majored in advanced bubble gum chewing). When it came time for the diplomas I told them they could keep mine, since all I had to do was memorize and spit it back to them, like any good mindless computer.

What a bunch a 'tards.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 1:40 PM by aldersondrive2007
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It would be interesting to see how much difference there would be in any one's I Q, if/when we have the ability to directly interface with limited computers that can instantly compare shapes, access cultural and world history, do math problems at any level, and give us perfect memory of sequences.

Would that alone give anyone at least 30 or 40 (perhaps more) on "standard" tests?

Do we need better tests that can measure true creative ability?

Edward DeBono in his book "Serious Creativity" stated creativity seemed to track I Q (I believe, he said on average) up until around 120, and then the gains appeared to "flatten out" with regard to former.

Now, that is Debono's assesment, and it isn't clear (he didn't elaborate" how it was done, and what tools of measurement were used.

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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 11:40 AM by gawell
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prepare to be surprised...without stooping too.
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 10/31/2009 1:16 PM by Big Monkey
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I enjoy you as well Pan. When and how did you find mind-x?
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Re: Pandemonium1323
posted on 11/03/2009 7:27 PM by Oceans With-in-me
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFvRexrvbs0
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Qustion for Pandemonium1323
posted on 11/07/2009 11:42 AM by Oceans With-in-me
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Hi pan, what do you think of the following info?

http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html

At the end Ellie gives her best guess as follows. Would you care to comment on it?

Ellie's Theories on the Holographic Universe
The universe is a hologram. Our reality is projected illusion created by a consciousness 'program'. It is a virtual reality experiment in linear time to learn about, and experience emotions. It is created by a consciousness source through which our souls experience in many dimensions simultaneously. This is not unlike the films 'The Matrix', 'The 13th Floor', the Holodeck in the TV series Star Trek, among others.

The program is composed of grids created by the source consciousness and brought into awareness by electromagnetic energy at the physical level. This computer consciousness is bi-polar, electromagnetic energies in physical reality. Within the program, the goal of the 'game' is to maintain your balance while the program creates dramas at ever turn.

The program had a beginning and it has and end, as consciousness evolves in the alchemy of time. You will know when it is about to end. The program is linked through a web, or grid matrixes and is based on the looping patterns of consciousness called Sacred Geometry.

Ellie put together an extensive website so she has obviously put much thought into her conclusion. It does seem to resonate with many ides that are posted here.

http://www.crystalinks.com/directory2.html
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Re: Qustion for Pandemonium1323
posted on 11/08/2009 1:45 PM by martuso
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Interesting link, Ocean... kinda made my head explode. I like that. :)
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Re: Qustion for Pandemonium1323
posted on 11/09/2009 10:16 AM by Oceans With-in-me
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My pleasure:))
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