Comments on: National Ignition Facility makes history with record 500 terawatt shot http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot Accelerating Intelligence Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:23:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Bri http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-25673 Bri Mon, 23 Jul 2012 15:12:58 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-25673 The only one who should be embarrassed is you! The POLICE did a full investigation, they couldn't find evidence of fraud. Caltech settled out of court. If Joe wasn't responsible, then it was Richard Feymans fault, and by that Caltech's fault. Do you think this is the only time Caltech has had something disastrous happen? They've got great lawyers, independent investigators, and some hefty insurance. They settled out of court, because they couldn't prove fraud. Joe went on with the money, not to jail. He and his business partner were in and out of court for years. Don't you think that the family of the person who died, would want to stop him with at least a wrongful death lawsuit? Who ever it was, he must have been a brainiac. Don't you think that learned family, with a son in lofty Caltech was worth the effort to shut down a careless hoaxter and con man? The brains at Caltech did go over every scrap of evidence, but you guys are smarter than them. Despite thier best efforts they couldn't pin it on Joe. Trying to intimidate me with " embarrassment" is silly. I'm asking for an intellectual discussion on the case. Obviously your reading comprehension is low. Joe was paid off by Caltech to stop HIS lawsuit, not a lawsuit and jail for Joe. Joe goes on to demonstrate the engine to all the motor companies, if he were defrauding people, wouldn't you expect him to do ot to gullible people with lots of money? Why did he hawk a artillery version to the military? There are patents issued for the device. Try and make a free energy machine hoax and get a patent. You have to make a working model and then it gets reviewed. If it's a hoax, no PATENT! I was intrigued by the story before. What makes me "embarrass" myself in public, is the Thrive.com movie that Roberto refered to at Jacqe Frecos The Venus project. In that movie, they talk about the principals of these type engines, and that many have been invented, but all of them get shut down. Whatch that movie, reread Joe Papps story, and you will see. They use the torus vortex. Or do you believe Joe used some undetectable explosive, that the police and Caltech couldn't find. The motor is simple. Two sealed piston reaction chambers, noble gases,some windings and an unusual spark plug. No intake or out take valves, just two pistons. What blew up????? The only one who should be embarrassed is you! The POLICE did a full investigation, they couldn’t find evidence of fraud. Caltech settled out of court. If Joe wasn’t responsible, then it was Richard Feymans fault, and by that Caltech’s fault. Do you think this is the only time Caltech has had something disastrous happen? They’ve got great lawyers, independent investigators, and some hefty insurance. They settled out of court, because they couldn’t prove fraud. Joe went on with the money, not to jail. He and his business partner were in and out of court for years. Don’t you think that the family of the person who died, would want to stop him with at least a wrongful death lawsuit? Who ever it was, he must have been a brainiac. Don’t you think that learned family, with a son in lofty Caltech was worth the effort to shut down a careless hoaxter and con man? The brains at Caltech did go over every scrap of evidence, but you guys are smarter than them. Despite thier best efforts they couldn’t pin it on Joe. Trying to intimidate me with ” embarrassment” is silly. I’m asking for an intellectual discussion on the case. Obviously your reading comprehension is low. Joe was paid off by Caltech to stop HIS lawsuit, not a lawsuit and jail for Joe. Joe goes on to demonstrate the engine to all the motor companies, if he were defrauding people, wouldn’t you expect him to do ot to gullible people with lots of money? Why did he hawk a artillery version to the military? There are patents issued for the device. Try and make a free energy machine hoax and get a patent. You have to make a working model and then it gets reviewed. If it’s a hoax, no PATENT! I was intrigued by the story before. What makes me “embarrass” myself in public, is the Thrive.com movie that Roberto refered to at Jacqe Frecos The Venus project. In that movie, they talk about the principals of these type engines, and that many have been invented, but all of them get shut down. Whatch that movie, reread Joe Papps story, and you will see. They use the torus vortex. Or do you believe Joe used some undetectable explosive, that the police and Caltech couldn’t find. The motor is simple. Two sealed piston reaction chambers, noble gases,some windings and an unusual spark plug. No intake or out take valves, just two pistons. What blew up?????

]]> By: Bri http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-25668 Bri Mon, 23 Jul 2012 14:29:33 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-25668 Ha!!! That's why Caltect settled the law suit out of court, and Joe didn't go to jail! If it were a hoax, the death would be reckless, and Joe Papps would have been responsible. The police found no trace of explosives! If the engine didn't work, where did the energy to explode come from, neon, argon ?!!! Look at the patent, it's a very simple design. The engine at the demo was the same as the patent. He was showing it of to the top scientist of the day, not investors to swindle there money. His buisness partner couldn't figure out why the thrust was perpendicular to the vortex. That's a key feature of torus vortex, as described in Thrive.com the movie. In nature it manefests as those supperluminal jets coming out the poles of a quasar. Just saying the word hoax, doesn't disprove the engine. Show me how it's a hoax! Ha!!! That’s why Caltect settled the law suit out of court, and Joe didn’t go to jail! If it were a hoax, the death would be reckless, and Joe Papps would have been responsible. The police found no trace of explosives! If the engine didn’t work, where did the energy to explode come from, neon, argon ?!!! Look at the patent, it’s a very simple design. The engine at the demo was the same as the patent. He was showing it of to the top scientist of the day, not investors to swindle there money. His buisness partner couldn’t figure out why the thrust was perpendicular to the vortex. That’s a key feature of torus vortex, as described in Thrive.com the movie. In nature it manefests as those supperluminal jets coming out the poles of a quasar. Just saying the word hoax, doesn’t disprove the engine. Show me how it’s a hoax!

]]> By: Just Bill Me http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-25633 Just Bill Me Mon, 23 Jul 2012 02:54:02 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-25633 They didn't have to "tear it apart" at Caltech . . . it exploded during the demonstration, killing one person and injuring two others. Do some research before you embarrass yourself again. They didn’t have to “tear it apart” at Caltech . . . it exploded during the demonstration, killing one person and injuring two others. Do some research before you embarrass yourself again.

]]> By: Chrispium http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-25439 Chrispium Fri, 20 Jul 2012 23:39:49 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-25439 A deathstar to be precise ;) A deathstar to be precise ;)

]]> By: Lance http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-25272 Lance Thu, 19 Jul 2012 23:03:01 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-25272 Exactly what I was thinking! Its a weapon! Exactly what I was thinking! Its a weapon!

]]> By: Chrispium http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-25262 Chrispium Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:26:58 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-25262 Because it's a HOAX! Because it’s a HOAX!

]]> By: Bri http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-25222 Bri Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:16:04 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-25222 I'm really hoping someone will check out the Papps noble gas engine, and comment on this site. It's real, it works. If they were in production since it was invented, we wouldn't be having this type of discussion. Thrive.com the movie, explains how it works. The patent explains how it works. No gas bills, no gas shortage, cheap desalination, because it's energy expensive. Works in space cause it dosn't burn fuel. No home electric bill, etc. This is a very provocative statement, and yet nobody is looking at this , on this web site. It's real seince, otherwise Joe would not have demonstrated it at Caltect. They would have torn it apart technically. Does anybody out there have any curiosity? It literally could save the planet, and yet I don't hear a peep out of any of you! I’m really hoping someone will check out the Papps noble gas engine, and comment on this site. It’s real, it works. If they were in production since it was invented, we wouldn’t be having this type of discussion. Thrive.com the movie, explains how it works. The patent explains how it works. No gas bills, no gas shortage, cheap desalination, because it’s energy expensive. Works in space cause it dosn’t burn fuel. No home electric bill, etc. This is a very provocative statement, and yet nobody is looking at this , on this web site. It’s real seince, otherwise Joe would not have demonstrated it at Caltect. They would have torn it apart technically. Does anybody out there have any curiosity? It literally could save the planet, and yet I don’t hear a peep out of any of you!

]]> By: Chrispium http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-25220 Chrispium Thu, 19 Jul 2012 17:05:05 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-25220 "You may fire when ready" “You may fire when ready”

]]> By: Katherine MacLean (old science fiction writer and research fan http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-25136 Katherine MacLean (old science fiction writer and research fan Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:46:01 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-25136 Military investment money influences the direction of research. DOD activities. are cloaked but logical DOD stratigists always must assume a future with a danger of. war and attack. then civilian beamed power must as a backup be convertable to a defensive weapon. Fund to build the hardware off Earth. Military investment money influences the direction of research. DOD activities. are cloaked but logical DOD stratigists always must assume a future with a danger of. war and attack. then civilian beamed power must as a backup be convertable to a defensive weapon. Fund to build the hardware off Earth.

]]> By: .? http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-25113 .? Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:50:15 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-25113 What the fuck are you talking about?! What the fuck are you talking about?!

]]> By: Editor http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-25083 Editor Thu, 19 Jul 2012 03:26:45 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-25083 http://www.kurzweilai.net/nasa-video-on-lenr-low-energy-nuclear-reactions-a-clean-form-of-nuclear-energy http://www.kurzweilai.net/nasa-video-on-lenr-low-energy-nuclear-reactions-a-clean-form-of-nuclear-energy

]]> By: HHiram http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-25078 HHiram Thu, 19 Jul 2012 02:37:25 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-25078 The future of energy? It seems unlikely, since there is no evidence of excess energy yet and even the most optimistic theoretical scenarios project a tiny COP. Where is KurzweilAI's coverage of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions? Several companies and researchers have already demonstrated excess heat, 60 Minutes just ran a program on cold fusion yesterday, and commercial heaters are slated to go on sale by the end of this year. Seems more likely that LENR is the future of energy. The future of energy? It seems unlikely, since there is no evidence of excess energy yet and even the most optimistic theoretical scenarios project a tiny COP.

Where is KurzweilAI’s coverage of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions? Several companies and researchers have already demonstrated excess heat, 60 Minutes just ran a program on cold fusion yesterday, and commercial heaters are slated to go on sale by the end of this year. Seems more likely that LENR is the future of energy.

]]> By: Tom http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-25064 Tom Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:07:53 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-25064 The sad thing to me about anything 'national' science is that non-profit, non-business entities such as NIF have sucked up science graduates for decades and turned some into grant-writing drones. The sad thing to me about anything ‘national’ science is that non-profit, non-business entities such as NIF have sucked up science graduates for decades and turned some into grant-writing drones.

]]> By: Satan http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-24982 Satan Wed, 18 Jul 2012 16:30:27 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-24982 ...and is now aimed at Syria... …and is now aimed at Syria…

]]> By: Conrad Green http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-24965 Conrad Green Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:34:26 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-24965 I was definitely going to agree with starheart. I don't think power abundance is the only thing on their minds. I think they may have a blueprint for a new economic system but power is the issue or maybe they built spaceships but don't have a self sustaining power source that is good enough for what their trying to do. I wonder have they torn a rip in space yet. I heard talks of it. But no word yet other than that micro singularity they did a couple years ago. I was definitely going to agree with starheart. I don’t think power abundance is the only thing on their minds. I think they may have a blueprint for a new economic system but power is the issue or maybe they built spaceships but don’t have a self sustaining power source that is good enough for what their trying to do. I wonder have they torn a rip in space yet. I heard talks of it. But no word yet other than that micro singularity they did a couple years ago.

]]> By: Agnyupi http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-24956 Agnyupi Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:50:14 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-24956 That's all well and good. But how much more do they need? That’s all well and good. But how much more do they need?

]]> By: Starheart http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-24949 Starheart Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:40:19 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-24949 Regardless, fusion research is by no means a waste of effort. Of course, there is bound to be a niche where fusion performs significantly more efficiently than other commercial power source - maybe for deep space missions? Besides, fusion may have benefits for other technology than mere power production. Ultimately, the primary benefit of a fusion reactor is that it can break down absolutely anything, including hazardous waste otherwise rather tricky to dispose from. Regardless, fusion research is by no means a waste of effort. Of course, there is bound to be a niche where fusion performs significantly more efficiently than other commercial power source – maybe for deep space missions? Besides, fusion may have benefits for other technology than mere power production. Ultimately, the primary benefit of a fusion reactor is that it can break down absolutely anything, including hazardous waste otherwise rather tricky to dispose from.

]]> By: Gorden Russell http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-24940 Gorden Russell Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:11:30 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-24940 That's a good point, Starheart. While I certainly have great hopes for fusion power and see it as a world-saver, if it is 20 years in the future...long before then we will have carbon photo-voltaics with over 80% efficiency and fuel cells using hydrogen to store energy overnight. That’s a good point, Starheart. While I certainly have great hopes for fusion power and see it as a world-saver, if it is 20 years in the future…long before then we will have carbon photo-voltaics with over 80% efficiency and fuel cells using hydrogen to store energy overnight.

]]> By: Starheart http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-24925 Starheart Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:27:10 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-24925 I think hot fusion these days is suffering from a gambler's paradox. As in, the more funds and efforts are invested into it without getting any tangible yield, the more incentive do sponsors have to continue investments because they can't allow all previous efforts to go to waste. While I doubt fusion power will permanently stay 20 years in the future from any given present moment, by the time it arrives, we will likely have not one but several commercial alternatives providing cheap, accessible and localized power. I think hot fusion these days is suffering from a gambler’s paradox. As in, the more funds and efforts are invested into it without getting any tangible yield, the more incentive do sponsors have to continue investments because they can’t allow all previous efforts to go to waste.

While I doubt fusion power will permanently stay 20 years in the future from any given present moment, by the time it arrives, we will likely have not one but several commercial alternatives providing cheap, accessible and localized power.

]]> By: Darth http://www.kurzweilai.net/national-ignition-facility-makes-history-with-record-500-terawatt-shot/comment-page-1#comment-24921 Darth Wed, 18 Jul 2012 13:21:27 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=156269#comment-24921 "It is fully operational" “It is fully operational”

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