Comments on: Panasonic develops highly efficient artificial photosynthesis system generating organic materials from carbon dioxide and water http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water Accelerating Intelligence Mon, 20 May 2013 06:47:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: William Werstler http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water/comment-page-1#comment-27577 William Werstler Mon, 06 Aug 2012 06:40:45 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=157599#comment-27577 Thank you for echoing so many of our thoughts from those who usually choose not to engage in the conversation. Thank you for echoing so many of our thoughts from those who usually choose not to engage in the conversation.

]]> By: asiwel http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water/comment-page-1#comment-27490 asiwel Sat, 04 Aug 2012 16:01:52 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=157599#comment-27490 They appear to be saying that the system achieves its results by converting water and CO2 into formic acid. What will they be doing with all of that formic acid? Which is, after all, the same sort produced by ants and pretty powerful, messy stuff. They appear to be saying that the system achieves its results by converting water and CO2 into formic acid. What will they be doing with all of that formic acid? Which is, after all, the same sort produced by ants and pretty powerful, messy stuff.

]]> By: Steve Engard http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water/comment-page-1#comment-27321 Steve Engard Fri, 03 Aug 2012 13:37:02 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=157599#comment-27321 This is a beginning step to reduce carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, produced by human activity. The next step is to convert the byproduct into something useful, such as carbon nanotubes and graphene, both of which have great potential in electronics and structural designs to replace steel. This seems to be a profitable way to reduce Global Warming. This is a beginning step to reduce carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, produced by human activity. The next step is to convert the byproduct into something useful, such as carbon nanotubes and graphene, both of which have great potential in electronics and structural designs to replace steel. This seems to be a profitable way to reduce Global Warming.

]]> By: Mark http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water/comment-page-1#comment-27276 Mark Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:39:43 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=157599#comment-27276 How many years will have to pass until the criminal elite discard the lie of CO2 causing any trouble? It is really frustrating to hear a million lies every single day. How many years will have to pass until the criminal elite discard the lie of CO2 causing any trouble?
It is really frustrating to hear a million lies every single day.

]]> By: Sno http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water/comment-page-1#comment-27226 Sno Thu, 02 Aug 2012 10:21:17 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=157599#comment-27226 It says 0.2%, not 0.02%. After some reading (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthetic_efficiency), it seems that average plants have efficiencies ranging from 0.1% to 2%. 0.2% is good for a synthetic process, i guess. It says 0.2%, not 0.02%. After some reading (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosynthetic_efficiency), it seems that average plants have efficiencies ranging from 0.1% to 2%. 0.2% is good for a synthetic process, i guess.

]]> By: Spikosauropod http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water/comment-page-1#comment-27188 Spikosauropod Wed, 01 Aug 2012 23:58:18 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=157599#comment-27188 This brings us a step closer to my vision of mining asteroids and comets and turning them into usable products. By 2030 we should be building elevators into space and shifting a large percentage of the earth’s population to robotically constructed extraterrestrial colonies. By 2040 production may be at such a phenomenal output that a mass exodus of the solar system gets underway. This brings us a step closer to my vision of mining asteroids and comets and turning them into usable products. By 2030 we should be building elevators into space and shifting a large percentage of the earth’s population to robotically constructed extraterrestrial colonies. By 2040 production may be at such a phenomenal output that a mass exodus of the solar system gets underway.

]]> By: Nick D Waters http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water/comment-page-1#comment-27171 Nick D Waters Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:37:03 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=157599#comment-27171 The system is in an alpha state. It needs to produce a molecule such as glucose or carbon chains to be useful. The system is in an alpha state. It needs to produce a molecule such as glucose or carbon chains to be useful.

]]> By: Nick D Waters http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water/comment-page-1#comment-27170 Nick D Waters Wed, 01 Aug 2012 21:34:49 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=157599#comment-27170 When the system produces glucose we can turn it into cellulose and restore our soils. That would be the holy grail. When the system produces glucose we can turn it into cellulose and restore our soils. That would be the holy grail.

]]> By: Gorden Russell http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water/comment-page-1#comment-27123 Gorden Russell Wed, 01 Aug 2012 17:07:09 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=157599#comment-27123 Here's what wikipedia says: "In 2009, the worldwide capacity for producing this compound was 720,000 tonnes/annum, with production capacity roughly equally divided between Europe (350,000, mainly in Germany) and Asia (370,000, mainly in China), while production was below 1000 tonnes/annum in all other continents.[7] It is commercially available in solutions of various concentrations between 85 and 99 w/w %.[4] As of 2009, the largest producers are BASF, Kemira and Feicheng Acid Chemicals, with the largest production facilities in Ludwigshafen (200,000 tonnes/annum, BASF, Germany), Oulu (105,000, Kemira, Finland) and Feicheng (100,000, Feicheng, China). 2010 Prices ranged from circa € 650/tonne in Western Europe and $ 1250/tonne in the United States.[7]" So it looks like there is a market for Formic acid. But smokestacks just might produce more than the 720,000 tonnes the world uses. What can the world do with the over-supply? Here’s what wikipedia says:
“In 2009, the worldwide capacity for producing this compound was 720,000 tonnes/annum, with production capacity roughly equally divided between Europe (350,000, mainly in Germany) and Asia (370,000, mainly in China), while production was below 1000 tonnes/annum in all other continents.[7] It is commercially available in solutions of various concentrations between 85 and 99 w/w %.[4] As of 2009, the largest producers are BASF, Kemira and Feicheng Acid Chemicals, with the largest production facilities in Ludwigshafen (200,000 tonnes/annum, BASF, Germany), Oulu (105,000, Kemira, Finland) and Feicheng (100,000, Feicheng, China). 2010 Prices ranged from circa € 650/tonne in Western Europe and $ 1250/tonne in the United States.[7]”

So it looks like there is a market for Formic acid. But smokestacks just might produce more than the 720,000 tonnes the world uses. What can the world do with the over-supply?

]]> By: Gorden Russell http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water/comment-page-1#comment-27116 Gorden Russell Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:42:42 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=157599#comment-27116 Actually, green plants aren't much more efficient than that. Yet most of the world's biomass is cellulose. Actually, green plants aren’t much more efficient than that. Yet most of the world’s biomass is cellulose.

]]> By: penticton http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water/comment-page-1#comment-27113 penticton Wed, 01 Aug 2012 16:10:52 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=157599#comment-27113 0.02% is efficient ? I'm missing something. Perhaps 'conversion loss' ? 0.02% is efficient ? I’m missing something. Perhaps ‘conversion loss’ ?

]]> By: Editor http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water/comment-page-1#comment-27104 Editor Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:22:33 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=157599#comment-27104 Deleted by accident, restored. Deleted by accident, restored.

]]> By: RWoock http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water/comment-page-1#comment-27100 RWoock Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:06:41 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=157599#comment-27100 Orginal article states the output is Formic Acid. Orginal article states the output is Formic Acid.

]]> By: Gorden Russell http://www.kurzweilai.net/panasonic-develops-highly-efficient-artificial-photosynthesis-system-generating-organic-materials-from-carbon-dioxide-and-water/comment-page-1#comment-27097 Gorden Russell Wed, 01 Aug 2012 14:53:48 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=157599#comment-27097 Somehow they skipped mentioning just what this organic material would be. From what I know of botony, it could only be carbohydrates. If this process makes glucose, that could be fermented for ethanol to mix with gasoline. This glucose could even be used as a sweetener. If you can have soda pop with corn sweetener, why not with smokestack sweetener? Somehow they skipped mentioning just what this organic material would be. From what I know of botony, it could only be carbohydrates. If this process makes glucose, that could be fermented for ethanol to mix with gasoline. This glucose could even be used as a sweetener. If you can have soda pop with corn sweetener, why not with smokestack sweetener?

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