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		<title>By: SmartAndSober</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/physicists-solve-uncertainty-about-uncertainty-principle/comment-page-1#comment-100655</link>
		<dc:creator>SmartAndSober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People like you should contribute to ArXiv.org.
Please do so now.</description>
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Please do so now.</p>
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		<title>By: SmartAndSober</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/physicists-solve-uncertainty-about-uncertainty-principle/comment-page-1#comment-100653</link>
		<dc:creator>SmartAndSober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof Hugo de Garis is apparently not aware of the new breakthrough.
His lecture on Heisenberg&#039;s Uncertainty Principle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvBpLH4nm4
Someone please inform him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof Hugo de Garis is apparently not aware of the new breakthrough.<br />
His lecture on Heisenberg&#8217;s Uncertainty Principle:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvBpLH4nm4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MvBpLH4nm4</a><br />
Someone please inform him.</p>
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		<title>By: Bri</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/physicists-solve-uncertainty-about-uncertainty-principle/comment-page-1#comment-33010</link>
		<dc:creator>Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 11:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you sure you uncertain?</description>
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		<title>By: NakedApe</title>
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		<dc:creator>NakedApe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 06:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article makes me uncertain...</description>
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		<title>By: cscouten</title>
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		<dc:creator>cscouten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2012 13:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a retired welder you came up with Schrodinger&#039;s cat very neatly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a retired welder you came up with Schrodinger&#8217;s cat very neatly.</p>
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		<title>By: Caidland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caidland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 01:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Heisenberg uncertainty principle is wrong,
will electrons start falling into the nucleus now, are we doomed ?</description>
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will electrons start falling into the nucleus now, are we doomed ?</p>
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		<title>By: XK</title>
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		<dc:creator>XK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would anyone want to attack Gödel?</description>
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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a couple of comments on the article:
Using interchangeably the &quot;Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle&quot; and the &quot;Heisenberg Measurement-Disturbance Relationship&quot; as the article does is quite wrong and gives the very wrong idea as to what the scientists did.

The uncertainty principle has been proven quite some time ago and is considered inviolable (no experiment up to today has violated it). On the other hand Heisenberg&#039;s idea that the uncertainty between measurables in quantum system comes from disturbances due to our measurement (the Heisenberg Measurement-Disturbance Relationship) was shown to be mathematically wrong (at least the way Heisenberg postulated it) in 1970.

What this work has done is to show that our naive notion (which unfortunately is still taught in Universities) that quantum uncertainty arises from measurement disturbances (a rather classical way of thinking) is actually wrong. This experiment shows (what theory has already suggested) that you can measure as gentle as you like (much more gentle than what it would take to disturb the system) yet the measurements between measurables whose operators don&#039;t commute will still be uncertain. 

So DrDubious this experiment doesn&#039;t show that &quot;finally&quot; they found out how to tare the scales. Quite the opposite, they showed that the last idea of a classical explanation into why the scales are fundamentally &quot;untarable&quot;  is actually wrong.

Welcome to quantum mechanics.

B. DiPaolo polarization can be used in exactly the same way as spin. It has 2 states (horizontal and vertical) and it can be measured in three spatial axes, pretty much like spin. What is non commutable is the operators along orthonormal (in space) axes. Meaning that if you know for certain the state (H or V) in one axis (lets say X) and then measure the polarization in any of the other axes (Y or Z) then you will get H or V with 50% chance. So if you start lets say knowing that in 1000 photons in X their state is H and you measure their states in Y you will get about 500 of them being H and about 500 being V.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a couple of comments on the article:<br />
Using interchangeably the &#8220;Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle&#8221; and the &#8220;Heisenberg Measurement-Disturbance Relationship&#8221; as the article does is quite wrong and gives the very wrong idea as to what the scientists did.</p>
<p>The uncertainty principle has been proven quite some time ago and is considered inviolable (no experiment up to today has violated it). On the other hand Heisenberg&#8217;s idea that the uncertainty between measurables in quantum system comes from disturbances due to our measurement (the Heisenberg Measurement-Disturbance Relationship) was shown to be mathematically wrong (at least the way Heisenberg postulated it) in 1970.</p>
<p>What this work has done is to show that our naive notion (which unfortunately is still taught in Universities) that quantum uncertainty arises from measurement disturbances (a rather classical way of thinking) is actually wrong. This experiment shows (what theory has already suggested) that you can measure as gentle as you like (much more gentle than what it would take to disturb the system) yet the measurements between measurables whose operators don&#8217;t commute will still be uncertain. </p>
<p>So DrDubious this experiment doesn&#8217;t show that &#8220;finally&#8221; they found out how to tare the scales. Quite the opposite, they showed that the last idea of a classical explanation into why the scales are fundamentally &#8220;untarable&#8221;  is actually wrong.</p>
<p>Welcome to quantum mechanics.</p>
<p>B. DiPaolo polarization can be used in exactly the same way as spin. It has 2 states (horizontal and vertical) and it can be measured in three spatial axes, pretty much like spin. What is non commutable is the operators along orthonormal (in space) axes. Meaning that if you know for certain the state (H or V) in one axis (lets say X) and then measure the polarization in any of the other axes (Y or Z) then you will get H or V with 50% chance. So if you start lets say knowing that in 1000 photons in X their state is H and you measure their states in Y you will get about 500 of them being H and about 500 being V.</p>
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		<title>By: Xander</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/physicists-solve-uncertainty-about-uncertainty-principle/comment-page-1#comment-32144</link>
		<dc:creator>Xander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 15:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s going to take a lot more than what this article produces to excuse Heisenberg from the discussion.

&quot;However, there were still hurdles to clear as their idea effectively required a small quantum computer, which is difficult to build.&quot;

That quote implies that measuring the disturbance and quantifying it is possible; which is fine. It does not imply that measurements do not affect the system being measured. There are decades of research and application of physics that hinge on the validity of HUP in order to work. But I only state that with a certain level of certainty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s going to take a lot more than what this article produces to excuse Heisenberg from the discussion.</p>
<p>&#8220;However, there were still hurdles to clear as their idea effectively required a small quantum computer, which is difficult to build.&#8221;</p>
<p>That quote implies that measuring the disturbance and quantifying it is possible; which is fine. It does not imply that measurements do not affect the system being measured. There are decades of research and application of physics that hinge on the validity of HUP in order to work. But I only state that with a certain level of certainty.</p>
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		<title>By: Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 05:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to reply, but I was of two minds -- no, scratch that ... Hey, ever think about converting your welding helmet into a stereo EyeTap? I hear there&#039;s a big market for them in French fast-food joints: http://www.kurzweilai.net/an-state-of-the-art-augmented-reality-helmet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to reply, but I was of two minds &#8212; no, scratch that &#8230; Hey, ever think about converting your welding helmet into a stereo EyeTap? I hear there&#8217;s a big market for them in French fast-food joints: <a href="http://www.kurzweilai.net/an-state-of-the-art-augmented-reality-helmet" rel="nofollow">http://www.kurzweilai.net/an-state-of-the-art-augmented-reality-helmet</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 03:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clockwise and anti-clockwise polarization as well. 
Next time you go to the cinema and watch a 3d movie look at your self in the mirror while wearing the glasses (which are polarized in this manner). Clockwise polarization is mirrored on reflection unlike horizontal or vertical. So if you close the left eye, the right eye will not be able to see back through the right eye piece but will see through the left in the reflection of the mirror if that makes sense.
Very cool stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clockwise and anti-clockwise polarization as well.<br />
Next time you go to the cinema and watch a 3d movie look at your self in the mirror while wearing the glasses (which are polarized in this manner). Clockwise polarization is mirrored on reflection unlike horizontal or vertical. So if you close the left eye, the right eye will not be able to see back through the right eye piece but will see through the left in the reflection of the mirror if that makes sense.<br />
Very cool stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcos Marin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcos Marin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 01:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, your sentence did not compile. Since English is not my native language (I speak binary) I shall grant you the benefit of the doubt and consider a few possible meanings for your idiomatic expression:

Did you mean: (Google(C))
1) Literal? sorry, I&#039;m EXTREMELY healthy; [you missed an S]
2) Metaphorical? sorry, I&#039;m EXTREMELY amused by my own speakingS; [you missed an S]
3) the/a Mafious? sorry, Gödel is already dead :-( I would gladly oblige though if I wasn&#039;t so young. He sure deserved it for bamboozling so many mathematicians for the best of the century with an, granted, amazing sophism; [you missed the capitalization]
4) digitus tertius? sure, the head of the organization always has something more interesting to say. [you actually wrote it correctly under this semantics, kudos!]

Again, sorry if I missed any meaning, think of me as a Watson of sorts :) Those were my top 4 probabilities and we all realize how amusing Watson can be when calculating those =) so I hope you are laughing too...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, your sentence did not compile. Since English is not my native language (I speak binary) I shall grant you the benefit of the doubt and consider a few possible meanings for your idiomatic expression:</p>
<p>Did you mean: (Google(C))<br />
1) Literal? sorry, I&#8217;m EXTREMELY healthy; [you missed an S]<br />
2) Metaphorical? sorry, I&#8217;m EXTREMELY amused by my own speakingS; [you missed an S]<br />
3) the/a Mafious? sorry, Gödel is already dead :-( I would gladly oblige though if I wasn&#8217;t so young. He sure deserved it for bamboozling so many mathematicians for the best of the century with an, granted, amazing sophism; [you missed the capitalization]<br />
4) digitus tertius? sure, the head of the organization always has something more interesting to say. [you actually wrote it correctly under this semantics, kudos!]</p>
<p>Again, sorry if I missed any meaning, think of me as a Watson of sorts :) Those were my top 4 probabilities and we all realize how amusing Watson can be when calculating those =) so I hope you are laughing too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DrDubious</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/physicists-solve-uncertainty-about-uncertainty-principle/comment-page-1#comment-32028</link>
		<dc:creator>DrDubious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2012 00:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So they figured out how to tare a scale?  What&#039;s so new about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So they figured out how to tare a scale?  What&#8217;s so new about that?</p>
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		<title>By: egore</title>
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		<dc:creator>egore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 23:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcos speak with crooked finger.</description>
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		<title>By: Marcos Marin</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/physicists-solve-uncertainty-about-uncertainty-principle/comment-page-1#comment-32008</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcos Marin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahaha... yes, and self referential. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha&#8230; yes, and self referential. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/physicists-solve-uncertainty-about-uncertainty-principle/comment-page-1#comment-32005</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting. We&#039;re makinng a lot of strides in quantum mechanics. The clearer the science gets, the sooner we&#039;ll see useful, real-world applications that everyone can enjoy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting. We&#8217;re makinng a lot of strides in quantum mechanics. The clearer the science gets, the sooner we&#8217;ll see useful, real-world applications that everyone can enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: andmar74</title>
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		<dc:creator>andmar74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, there is full access to the article, but who can understand it ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, there is full access to the article, but who can understand it ?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just a retired welder. Please excuse my ignorance but what does this mean for the cat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just a retired welder. Please excuse my ignorance but what does this mean for the cat?</p>
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		<title>By: Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/physicists-solve-uncertainty-about-uncertainty-principle/comment-page-1#comment-31953</link>
		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the attacks have been strangely, ah, incomplete</description>
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		<title>By: Marcos Marin</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/physicists-solve-uncertainty-about-uncertainty-principle/comment-page-1#comment-31947</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcos Marin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh, finally, out of the myriad ways to easily prove it wrong one would think it should have been so much earlier. Though only after Gödel is properly attacked I will consider regaining any respect for earthlings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh, finally, out of the myriad ways to easily prove it wrong one would think it should have been so much earlier. Though only after Gödel is properly attacked I will consider regaining any respect for earthlings.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcos Marin</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/physicists-solve-uncertainty-about-uncertainty-principle/comment-page-1#comment-31946</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcos Marin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>itself?</p>
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		<title>By: Editor</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/physicists-solve-uncertainty-about-uncertainty-principle/comment-page-1#comment-31944</link>
		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://arxiv.org/pdf/1208.0034v2.pdf (open access) has the full details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1208.0034v2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/pdf/1208.0034v2.pdf</a> (open access) has the full details.</p>
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		<title>By: B. DiPaolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>B. DiPaolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 14:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t know polarization was one of the properties subject to the uncertainty principle.  (Not implying it isnt; just admitting my ignorance.)  What is its conjugate variable?  The article is unclear.  What are the &quot; two forms of polarization, X and Z&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t know polarization was one of the properties subject to the uncertainty principle.  (Not implying it isnt; just admitting my ignorance.)  What is its conjugate variable?  The article is unclear.  What are the &#8221; two forms of polarization, X and Z&#8221;?</p>
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