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		<title>By: roger l</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 19:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an old man, think that my life is about over, but i would like to see the human race last a few more years. We should not teach robots emotions and they should be controlled or in time they will have control. I am not talking about the near time, but over long, I hope, long,  time, depends upon how we program them. Again, watch emotion is robots, they do not need them for a long time. We have the knowledge to give AI the full range of emotions over time, and robots will soon have the things that make us think we are humans and cannot be replaced.
Roger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an old man, think that my life is about over, but i would like to see the human race last a few more years. We should not teach robots emotions and they should be controlled or in time they will have control. I am not talking about the near time, but over long, I hope, long,  time, depends upon how we program them. Again, watch emotion is robots, they do not need them for a long time. We have the knowledge to give AI the full range of emotions over time, and robots will soon have the things that make us think we are humans and cannot be replaced.<br />
Roger</p>
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		<title>By: roger l</title>
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		<dc:creator>roger l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 18:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has the Apple executives thought about what they will do with people who are released because of athomation or AI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has the Apple executives thought about what they will do with people who are released because of athomation or AI.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Atiyah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Atiyah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 10:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China has already used population control.

It would have been disastrous if they hadn&#039;t.

As it is China will have 50% of its population over retirement age by around 2050. Big problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China has already used population control.</p>
<p>It would have been disastrous if they hadn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>As it is China will have 50% of its population over retirement age by around 2050. Big problems.</p>
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		<title>By: CWDK</title>
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		<dc:creator>CWDK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 02:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the Syracuse, NY area as well and have watched with mild interest as the Post-Standard thrashes about to avoid obsolescence....perhaps vainly, perhaps not.  However, in reading through all the above comments only a few have hit at the central issue that &quot;this process (technological advancement) is unstoppable&quot;.  All this &quot;green, no meat, it--takes-a-village, anti-(anything technologically sophisticated)...today it&#039;s Apple, what-the-heck-am-I-going-to-do-in-this-Brave-New-World&quot; whining is merely blather in the face of a tsunami....better learn to surf quick....or you&#039;re going to drown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the Syracuse, NY area as well and have watched with mild interest as the Post-Standard thrashes about to avoid obsolescence&#8230;.perhaps vainly, perhaps not.  However, in reading through all the above comments only a few have hit at the central issue that &#8220;this process (technological advancement) is unstoppable&#8221;.  All this &#8220;green, no meat, it&#8211;takes-a-village, anti-(anything technologically sophisticated)&#8230;today it&#8217;s Apple, what-the-heck-am-I-going-to-do-in-this-Brave-New-World&#8221; whining is merely blather in the face of a tsunami&#8230;.better learn to surf quick&#8230;.or you&#8217;re going to drown.</p>
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		<title>By: Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 04:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;profer up a job that would be immune to AI robotics taking it over

Robot counselor, robot overseer, robot-human mediator, robot-human communication specialist, robot assistant, various unknown government positions (assuming there is a government), entertainer (making robots laugh at human stupidity, etc. -- typical show: Stupid Human Tricks), robot-human planning commission member, editor (wishful thinking), anti-Skynet mercenary (temporary job, pre-Singularity).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>profer up a job that would be immune to AI robotics taking it over</p>
<p>Robot counselor, robot overseer, robot-human mediator, robot-human communication specialist, robot assistant, various unknown government positions (assuming there is a government), entertainer (making robots laugh at human stupidity, etc. &#8212; typical show: Stupid Human Tricks), robot-human planning commission member, editor (wishful thinking), anti-Skynet mercenary (temporary job, pre-Singularity).</p>
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		<title>By: Bri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 01:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not able to follow your line of reasoning. Your speaking in sweeping generalities. The most specific thing you mention is the job of editor. I don&#039;t see how that trade will be immune to job loss and somehow end up at the top of the heap. I&#039;ve asked before for anyone to profer up a job that would be immune to AI robotics taking it over, so unfortunately I&#039;ll use it ad an example. Watson I&#039;d very close to understanding the meaning of questions. In some respects it&#039;s already superior. Before the best humans could hit the button it had an answer. Not just your average human. These contestants are really smart and have extremely diverse knowledge bases. It won&#039;t be long before they will be able to read a research article and write a commentary about it. ( it will take longer for movie reviews because it&#039;s visual information and so it&#039;s more dense with processing) even if Amara was equally as fast, which is impossible because biological circuitry is way too slow, it is far more cost effective to have the box of circuits than to have a flesh and blood editor. She has to eat, sleep, vacation, etc. In the real world the AI editor will happen way before the implants. Before she could type a single word the article would be posted without spelling errors. That&#039;s the real world. It will take out all jobs on all levels. Ray says that by 2045 computers will be so powerful that they will be able to think every thought by every living person for the last 10,000 years in micro seconds. He&#039;s not talking about one computer. Because of robotic automation there could be billions of them. Each and everyone of them so inexpensive that they would be cheaper than a days pay. It is impossible to compete with them. End of story. So if our financial system stays the same, the only ones making any money would be those that have too much already. The ones who own the companies. I think capitalism is doomed way before 2045 so that&#039;s less than thirty years from now. With the state of regenerative medicine advancing at the rate it is there won&#039;t be as big a die off as your thinking. Wars are another issue. Unfortunately some people will rebel. Maybe I should say a lot of people will try to rebel. The laws of the land will intercede and crush that rebellion faster than it can organize. The AI programs will spot aggressive behavior before you can grab your gun. If you don&#039;t obey and marshal law has been declared. You&#039;ll be dead. Have a cup of coffee, I mean green tea and wake up. This is for real. It is happening. You in reality don&#039;t even really own your house. The one percent do!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not able to follow your line of reasoning. Your speaking in sweeping generalities. The most specific thing you mention is the job of editor. I don&#8217;t see how that trade will be immune to job loss and somehow end up at the top of the heap. I&#8217;ve asked before for anyone to profer up a job that would be immune to AI robotics taking it over, so unfortunately I&#8217;ll use it ad an example. Watson I&#8217;d very close to understanding the meaning of questions. In some respects it&#8217;s already superior. Before the best humans could hit the button it had an answer. Not just your average human. These contestants are really smart and have extremely diverse knowledge bases. It won&#8217;t be long before they will be able to read a research article and write a commentary about it. ( it will take longer for movie reviews because it&#8217;s visual information and so it&#8217;s more dense with processing) even if Amara was equally as fast, which is impossible because biological circuitry is way too slow, it is far more cost effective to have the box of circuits than to have a flesh and blood editor. She has to eat, sleep, vacation, etc. In the real world the AI editor will happen way before the implants. Before she could type a single word the article would be posted without spelling errors. That&#8217;s the real world. It will take out all jobs on all levels. Ray says that by 2045 computers will be so powerful that they will be able to think every thought by every living person for the last 10,000 years in micro seconds. He&#8217;s not talking about one computer. Because of robotic automation there could be billions of them. Each and everyone of them so inexpensive that they would be cheaper than a days pay. It is impossible to compete with them. End of story. So if our financial system stays the same, the only ones making any money would be those that have too much already. The ones who own the companies. I think capitalism is doomed way before 2045 so that&#8217;s less than thirty years from now. With the state of regenerative medicine advancing at the rate it is there won&#8217;t be as big a die off as your thinking. Wars are another issue. Unfortunately some people will rebel. Maybe I should say a lot of people will try to rebel. The laws of the land will intercede and crush that rebellion faster than it can organize. The AI programs will spot aggressive behavior before you can grab your gun. If you don&#8217;t obey and marshal law has been declared. You&#8217;ll be dead. Have a cup of coffee, I mean green tea and wake up. This is for real. It is happening. You in reality don&#8217;t even really own your house. The one percent do!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 20:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rand was on point regarding some aspects but missed the curve for women&#039;s right by half a decade-1957 to mid 60&#039;s.  and such a hero worshiper for all the hoopla about individual effort.  it is 700 pages of looking for someone to worship ala justin bieber, lady gaga, or steve jobs.  look inside yourself and breath....that&#039;s it.  the future and past don&#039;t exist just now, and if one is commenting on this piece they are not likely starving or short on Maslowe&#039;s hierarchy of needs.  well....maybe they are not loved.....hmmmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rand was on point regarding some aspects but missed the curve for women&#8217;s right by half a decade-1957 to mid 60&#8242;s.  and such a hero worshiper for all the hoopla about individual effort.  it is 700 pages of looking for someone to worship ala justin bieber, lady gaga, or steve jobs.  look inside yourself and breath&#8230;.that&#8217;s it.  the future and past don&#8217;t exist just now, and if one is commenting on this piece they are not likely starving or short on Maslowe&#8217;s hierarchy of needs.  well&#8230;.maybe they are not loved&#8230;..hmmmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 19:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amazing to know how many do not see the compounding interest of the industrial revolution augmented by the information age.  Whatever the magic potion of brain and brawn that created elongated versions of the Pharaoh-Emperor-King-Sheik-Czar leisure class in the past will represent the non-working class in the future.  Through the natural attrition of death and man made additon of violence and war i suspect this future makeup likely to spring forth from the Tycoon-Entrepreneur group with hall passes for certain skill sets (although soon enough many of us of mortal salts (like editors) will be able to augment up to the elites.  Yippee-skipee!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amazing to know how many do not see the compounding interest of the industrial revolution augmented by the information age.  Whatever the magic potion of brain and brawn that created elongated versions of the Pharaoh-Emperor-King-Sheik-Czar leisure class in the past will represent the non-working class in the future.  Through the natural attrition of death and man made additon of violence and war i suspect this future makeup likely to spring forth from the Tycoon-Entrepreneur group with hall passes for certain skill sets (although soon enough many of us of mortal salts (like editors) will be able to augment up to the elites.  Yippee-skipee!</p>
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		<title>By: daveb</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 16:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most important part of your argument is to simply stop eating animals, then try sourcing your vegetables and fruits locally when possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most important part of your argument is to simply stop eating animals, then try sourcing your vegetables and fruits locally when possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Denis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernard Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 16:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this article does touch a nerve, and gets a lot of coments, we are in a transitional period. But what I see is that most people view the future with the current conditions. But the future will be with future conditions, many ethical problems will be solved, longer life and possibility to opt out by comitting a happy &quot;going away forever&quot; swith friendss may become the norm. 

Also then, most commentators refer to social welfare and rotting home as obligatory non desirable consequences of a completely robot manual work world. But thinking it differently, if world society pays a real salary to all that are born, and gives a bonus to those who WANT to better their community through manual labor, as art, friendly service or anything else, then it becomes a different story. 

Many people would WANT to stay home, and do what pleases them. Many people are miserable at work but forced to do it to sustain health. If you can think of a meaningful life reading and doing as you please, then you do not see that as negative. Most people reading this newsletter are educated individual, hard working is a way of life and nonchalance is absolute nonsense. Most of that is inherited through culture. 

This transition may take 200 years, or less, but in the end, I believe capitalism will leave its place for a mixture of social capitalism, which will later totally disappear in a world where equilibrium has reached it&#039;s full potential. 

The planet is not lacking food to feed its inhabitans, nor money to pay them, the biggest problem is distribution. But even that is starting to be addressed. 

This comment is a much reduced version of what is needed to accomplish, to see this positive continuation in turmoil times. But the world shows signs of marching towards it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this article does touch a nerve, and gets a lot of coments, we are in a transitional period. But what I see is that most people view the future with the current conditions. But the future will be with future conditions, many ethical problems will be solved, longer life and possibility to opt out by comitting a happy &#8220;going away forever&#8221; swith friendss may become the norm. </p>
<p>Also then, most commentators refer to social welfare and rotting home as obligatory non desirable consequences of a completely robot manual work world. But thinking it differently, if world society pays a real salary to all that are born, and gives a bonus to those who WANT to better their community through manual labor, as art, friendly service or anything else, then it becomes a different story. </p>
<p>Many people would WANT to stay home, and do what pleases them. Many people are miserable at work but forced to do it to sustain health. If you can think of a meaningful life reading and doing as you please, then you do not see that as negative. Most people reading this newsletter are educated individual, hard working is a way of life and nonchalance is absolute nonsense. Most of that is inherited through culture. </p>
<p>This transition may take 200 years, or less, but in the end, I believe capitalism will leave its place for a mixture of social capitalism, which will later totally disappear in a world where equilibrium has reached it&#8217;s full potential. </p>
<p>The planet is not lacking food to feed its inhabitans, nor money to pay them, the biggest problem is distribution. But even that is starting to be addressed. </p>
<p>This comment is a much reduced version of what is needed to accomplish, to see this positive continuation in turmoil times. But the world shows signs of marching towards it.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 15:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats the real deal
We are 10 times more more likley to be killed in an end of civilisation event (yellowstone eruption-asteroid) than in a plane crash.
So come on 1% get us out of the cradle Mars and the Moon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats the real deal<br />
We are 10 times more more likley to be killed in an end of civilisation event (yellowstone eruption-asteroid) than in a plane crash.<br />
So come on 1% get us out of the cradle Mars and the Moon</p>
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		<title>By: Alison B Lowndes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison B Lowndes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 14:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree with @Mark Petereit thats its about progress and adaptability. I&#039;m of just-above-average intelligence but certainly no genius. I was taught (or was genetically equipped) with creativity. Especially without privilege, you can teach a child anything! The &quot;McDonalds&quot; generation, especially those really bleeding welfare system&#039;s in UK/US simply weren&#039;t given the education and robots will never replace good teachers. Start there. Community will always exist even in mega-cities but its not the way forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with @Mark Petereit thats its about progress and adaptability. I&#8217;m of just-above-average intelligence but certainly no genius. I was taught (or was genetically equipped) with creativity. Especially without privilege, you can teach a child anything! The &#8220;McDonalds&#8221; generation, especially those really bleeding welfare system&#8217;s in UK/US simply weren&#8217;t given the education and robots will never replace good teachers. Start there. Community will always exist even in mega-cities but its not the way forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison B Lowndes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison B Lowndes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 14:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen!</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen Willemse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Willemse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 15:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your not missing anything........ That is what we are working toward is it not ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your not missing anything&#8230;&#8230;.. That is what we are working toward is it not ?</p>
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		<title>By: Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 07:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the &quot;posthuman economy&quot; (a felicitous phrase, that) is a good thing, then, right? No more human slavery in robotic jobs! Once we have artificial food, 3D-printed houses, molecular computers, infinite life extension, and infinite energy from space: universal virtual wealth beyond our wildest dreams! Or am I missing something? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the &#8220;posthuman economy&#8221; (a felicitous phrase, that) is a good thing, then, right? No more human slavery in robotic jobs! Once we have artificial food, 3D-printed houses, molecular computers, infinite life extension, and infinite energy from space: universal virtual wealth beyond our wildest dreams! Or am I missing something? :)</p>
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		<title>By: Khannea Suntzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khannea Suntzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 07:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want fries with that Biogenetic research?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want fries with that Biogenetic research?</p>
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		<title>By: Khannea Suntzu</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-future-of-work-in-america/comment-page-1#comment-31124</link>
		<dc:creator>Khannea Suntzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 07:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yah for a while.</description>
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		<title>By: Khannea Suntzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khannea Suntzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 07:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/me envisions a world with beautiful national lush parks everywhere. With mini gun equipped robots patrolling the barbed wire fences and Mitt Romney playing golf in a course the size of Tanzania.

And here and there a few contained Gaza-style internment compounds with hundreds of millions of &quot;the economically unviable&quot; fed dole yeast and made to feel grateful with an endless barrage of &quot;XFactor&quot; blaring from huge billboards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>/me envisions a world with beautiful national lush parks everywhere. With mini gun equipped robots patrolling the barbed wire fences and Mitt Romney playing golf in a course the size of Tanzania.</p>
<p>And here and there a few contained Gaza-style internment compounds with hundreds of millions of &#8220;the economically unviable&#8221; fed dole yeast and made to feel grateful with an endless barrage of &#8220;XFactor&#8221; blaring from huge billboards.</p>
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		<title>By: Khannea Suntzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khannea Suntzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 07:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was a straw figure I wouldn&#039;t feel attacked right now. I&#039;d feel raped.</description>
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		<title>By: Khannea Suntzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khannea Suntzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 07:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t envision &quot;posthuman&quot; in terms of dignity and income. But it looks like economy itself is becoming posthuman.  We are inheriting a Terminator economy, run by Romney/Gekko Skynets who are dead set on getting rid of the flesh components in the production cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t envision &#8220;posthuman&#8221; in terms of dignity and income. But it looks like economy itself is becoming posthuman.  We are inheriting a Terminator economy, run by Romney/Gekko Skynets who are dead set on getting rid of the flesh components in the production cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 04:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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Excellent. A must-read.</description>
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Excellent. A must-read.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 04:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kurzweilai.net/atlas-shrugged-part-ii&quot; title=&quot;Atlas Shrugged Part II&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.kurzweilai.net/atlas-shrugged-part-ii&lt;/a&gt;

Happy now?</description>
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<p>Happy now?</p>
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		<title>By: Khannea Suntzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khannea Suntzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 00:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://medic343.wordpress.com/tag/anton-lavey/</description>
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		<title>By: Khannea Suntzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khannea Suntzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2012 00:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jan Parker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, economicly the only thing I buy new is food.  It&#039;s either ebay or dhgate.com.  I buy directly from the manufacturer in foreign countries at a discount, and I am not at all ashamed of it.  In the case of clothes they are tailor made for me.  There is a tailor down the street from me and I tried to walk in and was dismissed at the door.  So there are many reasons why I don&#039;t buy local, and if I could get good food that way I would.  I can&#039;t wait until we can print our own food so I don&#039;t have to go to the damn grocery store and face the broken lives of the people working there.  The economy has changed, may as well get retrained now, cause the manufacturing jobs are not coming back, and we are learning to delete the wal-marts of this world too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, economicly the only thing I buy new is food.  It&#8217;s either ebay or dhgate.com.  I buy directly from the manufacturer in foreign countries at a discount, and I am not at all ashamed of it.  In the case of clothes they are tailor made for me.  There is a tailor down the street from me and I tried to walk in and was dismissed at the door.  So there are many reasons why I don&#8217;t buy local, and if I could get good food that way I would.  I can&#8217;t wait until we can print our own food so I don&#8217;t have to go to the damn grocery store and face the broken lives of the people working there.  The economy has changed, may as well get retrained now, cause the manufacturing jobs are not coming back, and we are learning to delete the wal-marts of this world too.</p>
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		<title>By: William McGaughey</title>
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		<dc:creator>William McGaughey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following solution will not work politically but it work economically:

The federal government could initiate a shorter workweek simply by amending the Fair Labor Standards Act.  This would create a financial incentive for employers to limit weekly hours per employee and, if they can&#039;t meet their operational needs, hire more workers.  Wages would float according to the supply and demand for labor.  (Shorter hours means a reduced supply of labor so that wages would tend to rise.)

These are proposed changes to FLSA:
1. Reduce the standard workweek from 40 to 32 hours.
2. Raise the overtime premium from time-and-a-half to double-time (if additional disincentive for overtime is needed).
3. Shrink or eliminate the exempt category.

This would be an appropriate response to the challenge of robot labor but, of course, neither Democrat nor Republican would consider it because they want the flow of taxable incomes to continue unabated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following solution will not work politically but it work economically:</p>
<p>The federal government could initiate a shorter workweek simply by amending the Fair Labor Standards Act.  This would create a financial incentive for employers to limit weekly hours per employee and, if they can&#8217;t meet their operational needs, hire more workers.  Wages would float according to the supply and demand for labor.  (Shorter hours means a reduced supply of labor so that wages would tend to rise.)</p>
<p>These are proposed changes to FLSA:<br />
1. Reduce the standard workweek from 40 to 32 hours.<br />
2. Raise the overtime premium from time-and-a-half to double-time (if additional disincentive for overtime is needed).<br />
3. Shrink or eliminate the exempt category.</p>
<p>This would be an appropriate response to the challenge of robot labor but, of course, neither Democrat nor Republican would consider it because they want the flow of taxable incomes to continue unabated.</p>
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		<title>By: Raeganne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raeganne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 18:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s start focusing on getting out of low Earth orbit and colonizing...that should diffuse the disparity between jobs and labor a bit with small colonies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s start focusing on getting out of low Earth orbit and colonizing&#8230;that should diffuse the disparity between jobs and labor a bit with small colonies</p>
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		<title>By: chrisflondon</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisflondon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 17:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As technology advances, two distinct things will happen : 

As AI grows in sophistication, the cost of human labor will plummet. At some point in the future, it&#039;ll cost a dollar to purchase the combined brainpower of a 1000 Einsteins or the craftsmanship of 1000 Michelangelos (all emulated in software of course). The value of anything that these AIs can possibly produce will fall vanishingly close to zero once you subtract the cost of raw materials.

Simultaneously, the cost of energy and those raw materials will fall. The amount of solar available to us is effectively limitless, as is the amount of matter that we&#039;ll be able to harness (even if it means reaching into space). Hence these costs ultimately fall to zero also.

Both these changes are inevitable. The interesting question is, which one will happen first ? I believe this will determine how the next few decades unfold. &quot;A&quot; followed by &quot;B&quot; is a frightening prospect; imagine living in a world where your labor is effectively worthless yet physical goods are limited in number and out of the reach of most. On the other hand, A then B seems more palatable; our incomes may fall, but the costs of physical goods and materials falls faster.

Unfortunately, current evidence suggests that we are heading down the first path...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As technology advances, two distinct things will happen : </p>
<p>As AI grows in sophistication, the cost of human labor will plummet. At some point in the future, it&#8217;ll cost a dollar to purchase the combined brainpower of a 1000 Einsteins or the craftsmanship of 1000 Michelangelos (all emulated in software of course). The value of anything that these AIs can possibly produce will fall vanishingly close to zero once you subtract the cost of raw materials.</p>
<p>Simultaneously, the cost of energy and those raw materials will fall. The amount of solar available to us is effectively limitless, as is the amount of matter that we&#8217;ll be able to harness (even if it means reaching into space). Hence these costs ultimately fall to zero also.</p>
<p>Both these changes are inevitable. The interesting question is, which one will happen first ? I believe this will determine how the next few decades unfold. &#8220;A&#8221; followed by &#8220;B&#8221; is a frightening prospect; imagine living in a world where your labor is effectively worthless yet physical goods are limited in number and out of the reach of most. On the other hand, A then B seems more palatable; our incomes may fall, but the costs of physical goods and materials falls faster.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, current evidence suggests that we are heading down the first path&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gabor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 16:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know.  How about an iPhone?  You are using a smartphone, aren&#039;t you?  I don&#039;t  buy Apple either for my own reasons but I do have a Samsung smartphone, which is also not a &quot;local community&quot; product.  Buying stuff at home with your computer does not count &quot;buying in the community&quot;.  Even when you buy something in your local &quot;mom pop grocery&quot;, half (or more) of the products are not local.  Also I don&#039;t think that your two types of humans are mutually exclusive at all.  We all have those behaviors, some of us just more willing to recognize them than others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know.  How about an iPhone?  You are using a smartphone, aren&#8217;t you?  I don&#8217;t  buy Apple either for my own reasons but I do have a Samsung smartphone, which is also not a &#8220;local community&#8221; product.  Buying stuff at home with your computer does not count &#8220;buying in the community&#8221;.  Even when you buy something in your local &#8220;mom pop grocery&#8221;, half (or more) of the products are not local.  Also I don&#8217;t think that your two types of humans are mutually exclusive at all.  We all have those behaviors, some of us just more willing to recognize them than others.</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 15:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all shall have our answers the day  unemployment will reach 40-50%
The sad fact is that the political class is  useless at best, when not nefarious.
There is no hope for a gentle solution to stop the building of a class warl  in a country that has managed to give a label of respectabilty to corruption by calling it “lobbyism” , this has open the gates of hell since a long time, so , folks, be ready, the solution might well  start with an  Insurrection, since lobbyism has already killed democracy, and it&#039;s political mechanisms are jammed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all shall have our answers the day  unemployment will reach 40-50%<br />
The sad fact is that the political class is  useless at best, when not nefarious.<br />
There is no hope for a gentle solution to stop the building of a class warl  in a country that has managed to give a label of respectabilty to corruption by calling it “lobbyism” , this has open the gates of hell since a long time, so , folks, be ready, the solution might well  start with an  Insurrection, since lobbyism has already killed democracy, and it&#8217;s political mechanisms are jammed.</p>
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		<title>By: Giulio Prisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giulio Prisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 14:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Khannea re Ayn Rand: Note that modern big capitalism is protected by the state and indistinguishable from state control. I am not sure how Rand would react.

Today, big capital knows that bribing politicians, expensive as it may be, is still much cheaper than R&amp;D, quality assurance/control, and customer service. So instead of offering good products and services they buy politicians to kill competitors and new entrants with regulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Khannea re Ayn Rand: Note that modern big capitalism is protected by the state and indistinguishable from state control. I am not sure how Rand would react.</p>
<p>Today, big capital knows that bribing politicians, expensive as it may be, is still much cheaper than R&#038;D, quality assurance/control, and customer service. So instead of offering good products and services they buy politicians to kill competitors and new entrants with regulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 12:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree....it&#039;s why I don&#039;t think their be an &quot;Artilect War&quot; like Hugo de Garis thinks -- their is not going to be an &quot;Us vs Them&quot;...their is only going to be an &quot;Us&quot;.

We are a people that is very intimate with our technology; we always have been...when we enter the realm of Strong AI, that will be even more so...and when that Strong AI is billions of times smarter then the un-augmented, it will be even more so....and when the lines are so blurred, what makes one think that it will be any easier for an AI to notice the differences between AI&#039;s and human beings anymore?

The same way people don&#039;t see computers and technologies as a &quot;them&quot; in today&#039;s day (well, except maybe Luddites and radicals), I believe it will remain that way in the future....their will be no great war, or rift between man and machine because we will not allow one to happen.

It&#039;s not a foolproof strategy, but it certainly puts the odds in our favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree&#8230;.it&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t think their be an &#8220;Artilect War&#8221; like Hugo de Garis thinks &#8212; their is not going to be an &#8220;Us vs Them&#8221;&#8230;their is only going to be an &#8220;Us&#8221;.</p>
<p>We are a people that is very intimate with our technology; we always have been&#8230;when we enter the realm of Strong AI, that will be even more so&#8230;and when that Strong AI is billions of times smarter then the un-augmented, it will be even more so&#8230;.and when the lines are so blurred, what makes one think that it will be any easier for an AI to notice the differences between AI&#8217;s and human beings anymore?</p>
<p>The same way people don&#8217;t see computers and technologies as a &#8220;them&#8221; in today&#8217;s day (well, except maybe Luddites and radicals), I believe it will remain that way in the future&#8230;.their will be no great war, or rift between man and machine because we will not allow one to happen.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a foolproof strategy, but it certainly puts the odds in our favor.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 12:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a Keynsian notion.  John Maynard Keynes proposed that the increased productivity of the industrial revolution would ultimately lead to much more leisure time.  Hasn&#039;t happened yet.  I recall a line from Star Trek the Next Generation.  Richer explained that members of his civilization lived to improve themselves.  Such a world is possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a Keynsian notion.  John Maynard Keynes proposed that the increased productivity of the industrial revolution would ultimately lead to much more leisure time.  Hasn&#8217;t happened yet.  I recall a line from Star Trek the Next Generation.  Richer explained that members of his civilization lived to improve themselves.  Such a world is possible.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 12:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is described in the article is already happening.  Buying Local is the means of creating community.  Less trips to WalMart for junk is a means of creating community.  We just have to realize that there is this inherent dipole of behavior in humans: 1) is inquisitive, inclusive, future thinking; and the other 2) is reactionary, selfish, exploitive and believes in a zero-sum game.  Both have had survival value; however, when one moves to far in either direction the results are unsustainable.  This is our current condition.  

I for one will not buy an iPad because: 1) Apple is not as innovative as they pretend to be; 2) it is made by sweatshop labor in China; 3) the profits of Apple are possible based on the relative disadvantage of the Chinese people; 4) instead of investing in revolutionizing manufacturing in this country Apple employs 19th century models; and 5) I don&#039;t really need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is described in the article is already happening.  Buying Local is the means of creating community.  Less trips to WalMart for junk is a means of creating community.  We just have to realize that there is this inherent dipole of behavior in humans: 1) is inquisitive, inclusive, future thinking; and the other 2) is reactionary, selfish, exploitive and believes in a zero-sum game.  Both have had survival value; however, when one moves to far in either direction the results are unsustainable.  This is our current condition.  </p>
<p>I for one will not buy an iPad because: 1) Apple is not as innovative as they pretend to be; 2) it is made by sweatshop labor in China; 3) the profits of Apple are possible based on the relative disadvantage of the Chinese people; 4) instead of investing in revolutionizing manufacturing in this country Apple employs 19th century models; and 5) I don&#8217;t really need it.</p>
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		<title>By: tim the realist</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim the realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 12:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do we still have a 40 hour base workweek?  Fewer hours of work per person each week will allow more people to be productive and free up some time for the overworked top performers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we still have a 40 hour base workweek?  Fewer hours of work per person each week will allow more people to be productive and free up some time for the overworked top performers.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmowrench</title>
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		<dc:creator>cosmowrench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 09:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe employer ownership is the solution?  I know of some projects going on in my country where the employees of a company are the only shareholders of that company. And from what i hear its working out quite good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe employer ownership is the solution?  I know of some projects going on in my country where the employees of a company are the only shareholders of that company. And from what i hear its working out quite good.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmowrench</title>
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		<dc:creator>cosmowrench</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 09:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farming is no exception when it comes to automation. GPS controlled machines can cultivate land with very little human labor.</description>
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		<title>By: Paul TREHIN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul TREHIN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 08:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for typos and other errors in my previous message. Here it is with corrected errors:
Indeed Khannea Suntzu.
 Teaching high level skills to people who had low level and higly specialized training will be almost impossible.
 That&#039;s why I advocated for a high level general education, the kind that enables one to be learning even when technologies or methodologies change rapidly. and further mor to enjoy learning.
 
Such general education is necesary also in manual jobs:
 See Matthew Crawford&#039;s book : &quot; Shop Class As Soulcraft: An Inquiry into the Value of Work.&quot;
 Where the author insists on the need of shopclass education as a basis for intellectual education, and vice-versa.
 A friend a mine, Plumber by trade, told me that he had no problem finding youngsters who knew about soldering or plying and glueing pipes but his problem was finding young employees who knew “when to ply, solder or glue pipes”
 Note that craft jobs directly in relation with customers are difficult to “offshore” and so far, in the present state of technology, also difficult to replace by automated machines.
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for typos and other errors in my previous message. Here it is with corrected errors:<br />
Indeed Khannea Suntzu.<br />
 Teaching high level skills to people who had low level and higly specialized training will be almost impossible.<br />
 That&#8217;s why I advocated for a high level general education, the kind that enables one to be learning even when technologies or methodologies change rapidly. and further mor to enjoy learning.</p>
<p>Such general education is necesary also in manual jobs:<br />
 See Matthew Crawford&#8217;s book : &#8221; Shop Class As Soulcraft: An Inquiry into the Value of Work.&#8221;<br />
 Where the author insists on the need of shopclass education as a basis for intellectual education, and vice-versa.<br />
 A friend a mine, Plumber by trade, told me that he had no problem finding youngsters who knew about soldering or plying and glueing pipes but his problem was finding young employees who knew “when to ply, solder or glue pipes”<br />
 Note that craft jobs directly in relation with customers are difficult to “offshore” and so far, in the present state of technology, also difficult to replace by automated machines.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul TREHIN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul TREHIN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 08:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed Khannea Suntzu.
Teaching high level skills to people who ha lo level  and higly specialized training will be almost impossible.
Tha&#039;ts why I advocated for a high level general education, the kind that enables one to be learning even when technologies or methodologies change rapidly.

Such general education is necesary also in manual jobs: 
Sea Shop Class As Soulcraft: An Inquiry into the Value of Work 
Where the author insists on the need of shopclas education as a basis for intellectual education, and vice-versa.
A friend a  mine, Plumber told me that he had no problem finding youngsters who knew about soldering or plying and glueing pipes but his problem was finding young employees who knew &quot;when to ply, solder or glue pipes&quot;
Note that craft jobs directly in relation with customers are difficult to &quot;offshore&quot; and so far also difficult to replace by automated machines.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed Khannea Suntzu.<br />
Teaching high level skills to people who ha lo level  and higly specialized training will be almost impossible.<br />
Tha&#8217;ts why I advocated for a high level general education, the kind that enables one to be learning even when technologies or methodologies change rapidly.</p>
<p>Such general education is necesary also in manual jobs:<br />
Sea Shop Class As Soulcraft: An Inquiry into the Value of Work<br />
Where the author insists on the need of shopclas education as a basis for intellectual education, and vice-versa.<br />
A friend a  mine, Plumber told me that he had no problem finding youngsters who knew about soldering or plying and glueing pipes but his problem was finding young employees who knew &#8220;when to ply, solder or glue pipes&#8221;<br />
Note that craft jobs directly in relation with customers are difficult to &#8220;offshore&#8221; and so far also difficult to replace by automated machines.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Paul TREHIN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul TREHIN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 07:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gorden,
I&#039;m writing from France, I don&#039;t know much about UK unemployment benefits.
The proble we are facing is however far larger than any country policy could tackle, even a country the size of the USA, even China is starting to experiment job losses. With job automation, even chinese salaries have become too high to competes as a result Chinese unemployment is on the rise
As often mentionned, job losses through &quot;off shoring&quot; is far less important than job loses via job automation, and now with technological progress in digital economy all job levels are concerned from blue collar to high level white collars. Note that this started in agriculture about a century ago when land productivity increased by a ten fold through mechanisation, with the enormous rural to town migration that thie evoluton entailled. Manufactiring jobs wipped part of the problem. For a while white collar jobs in service industry, trades, banking an insurance in turn also provides jobs to replace the job losses that industrial automation had entailled. 
But now even service oriented jobs tend to disapearAt supermarkets cashiers disapear too.
The only service jobs that keep growing are those of high level consulting wich are accessible to highly educated/ experienced people. These aren&#039;t going to provide jobs for the millions who have lost or wil loose their jobs because aof a more and mora automated economy.
What will coutries leaders of group of countries leaders do to avoid the predictable turmoil that a jobles economy will create.
The problem in Greece Spain and many coutries under the Rating agencies fire, is not related to financial public or private deficit it is linked to the high level of unemployment which in turn increases the private and public defficit.

Unemployment is not the result of the economic crisis, it is the cause of economic crisis.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gorden,<br />
I&#8217;m writing from France, I don&#8217;t know much about UK unemployment benefits.<br />
The proble we are facing is however far larger than any country policy could tackle, even a country the size of the USA, even China is starting to experiment job losses. With job automation, even chinese salaries have become too high to competes as a result Chinese unemployment is on the rise<br />
As often mentionned, job losses through &#8220;off shoring&#8221; is far less important than job loses via job automation, and now with technological progress in digital economy all job levels are concerned from blue collar to high level white collars. Note that this started in agriculture about a century ago when land productivity increased by a ten fold through mechanisation, with the enormous rural to town migration that thie evoluton entailled. Manufactiring jobs wipped part of the problem. For a while white collar jobs in service industry, trades, banking an insurance in turn also provides jobs to replace the job losses that industrial automation had entailled.<br />
But now even service oriented jobs tend to disapearAt supermarkets cashiers disapear too.<br />
The only service jobs that keep growing are those of high level consulting wich are accessible to highly educated/ experienced people. These aren&#8217;t going to provide jobs for the millions who have lost or wil loose their jobs because aof a more and mora automated economy.<br />
What will coutries leaders of group of countries leaders do to avoid the predictable turmoil that a jobles economy will create.<br />
The problem in Greece Spain and many coutries under the Rating agencies fire, is not related to financial public or private deficit it is linked to the high level of unemployment which in turn increases the private and public defficit.</p>
<p>Unemployment is not the result of the economic crisis, it is the cause of economic crisis.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 05:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virtually any proactive solution is preferable to &quot;simply distributing money via welfare&quot;.

However, although your suggestion takes an optimistic view of how we might productively use our redundant skilled labor, it fails to acknowledge the negative consequences. if we assume that all this extra effort spent on  medical research is likely to yield some significant health benefits, we can also assume that there will be a further increase in life expectancy, which will simply add to over-population and aging-population problems that we currently have.

Whichever way we choose to solve this problem, we need to pay attention to the side effects that are likely to come as part of the package.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virtually any proactive solution is preferable to &#8220;simply distributing money via welfare&#8221;.</p>
<p>However, although your suggestion takes an optimistic view of how we might productively use our redundant skilled labor, it fails to acknowledge the negative consequences. if we assume that all this extra effort spent on  medical research is likely to yield some significant health benefits, we can also assume that there will be a further increase in life expectancy, which will simply add to over-population and aging-population problems that we currently have.</p>
<p>Whichever way we choose to solve this problem, we need to pay attention to the side effects that are likely to come as part of the package.</p>
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		<title>By: beppe</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 04:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great idea and brings to the question: how much do we allocate to so-called R&amp;D and how much to profit?  Big profits are on the rise, and the richest is becoming even richer. So the point is that the outcome of technological improvement is being unfairly allocated. With a less uneven distribution of the wealth-gain deriving from being able to produce more &quot;things&quot; with less labour, we could pay more people to &quot;think&quot;, in the sense of working on problems not related to an immediate revenue. Today most young people use gadgets but how many of them knows what&#039;s inside or behind them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great idea and brings to the question: how much do we allocate to so-called R&amp;D and how much to profit?  Big profits are on the rise, and the richest is becoming even richer. So the point is that the outcome of technological improvement is being unfairly allocated. With a less uneven distribution of the wealth-gain deriving from being able to produce more &#8220;things&#8221; with less labour, we could pay more people to &#8220;think&#8221;, in the sense of working on problems not related to an immediate revenue. Today most young people use gadgets but how many of them knows what&#8217;s inside or behind them?</p>
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		<title>By: HHHoppe</title>
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		<dc:creator>HHHoppe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 04:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the same rhetoric main stream economist and Luddites have been saying since the industrial revolution.  The fact is, as production cost fall, the total quantity of goods increase, there by making consumer goods cheaper for everyone.  This is why the standard of living in the industrialized nations has continued to increase over the last 150 years of increasing technological automation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the same rhetoric main stream economist and Luddites have been saying since the industrial revolution.  The fact is, as production cost fall, the total quantity of goods increase, there by making consumer goods cheaper for everyone.  This is why the standard of living in the industrialized nations has continued to increase over the last 150 years of increasing technological automation.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 04:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...so you mean basically poor as shit coal miner&#039;s daughter lifestyle.  A return to being crazy poor farmers stuck in a Malthusian trap is purely insane.  A romantic notion only because there&#039;s a song about it.  That is just laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;so you mean basically poor as shit coal miner&#8217;s daughter lifestyle.  A return to being crazy poor farmers stuck in a Malthusian trap is purely insane.  A romantic notion only because there&#8217;s a song about it.  That is just laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: TM May</title>
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		<dc:creator>TM May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most folks here seem to think data-internet-related work provides food, water, and shelter.
It does not. Farmers do.
We have already overbred far too much.
But food and water are real &#039;necessities&#039;.
We should probably be alot nicer to our land, our animals,
and our farmers.

If we want to eat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most folks here seem to think data-internet-related work provides food, water, and shelter.<br />
It does not. Farmers do.<br />
We have already overbred far too much.<br />
But food and water are real &#8216;necessities&#8217;.<br />
We should probably be alot nicer to our land, our animals,<br />
and our farmers.</p>
<p>If we want to eat.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett McLaughliun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett McLaughliun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel,  can you cite an example of an effective society that operates without a government?   Like, even a single one?

Also, calling taxes &quot;bribes&quot; is a sh*tty thing to say, and highly inaccurate.  The government provides a pretty impressive array of services: roads, fire and police services, defense, social security, medicare.  To be sure, there&#039;s inefficiencies (and too much spent upon defense, if you ask me), but that&#039;s NOT to say it&#039;s just a big shakedown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,  can you cite an example of an effective society that operates without a government?   Like, even a single one?</p>
<p>Also, calling taxes &#8220;bribes&#8221; is a sh*tty thing to say, and highly inaccurate.  The government provides a pretty impressive array of services: roads, fire and police services, defense, social security, medicare.  To be sure, there&#8217;s inefficiencies (and too much spent upon defense, if you ask me), but that&#8217;s NOT to say it&#8217;s just a big shakedown.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett McLaughliun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett McLaughliun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ante, that might work for a society&#039;s super achievers, but I don&#039;t think that an average person can find ways to operate transparent, flexible and virtual platforms to create products fast and efficiently.  

Indeed, I think that you&#039;re *right* that these opportunities will present themselves, but only to the exceedingly gifted and/or lucky -- which is pretty much the way it is now:  A few billionaires, a million or so people trying to start the next new thing, and then the huddled masses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ante, that might work for a society&#8217;s super achievers, but I don&#8217;t think that an average person can find ways to operate transparent, flexible and virtual platforms to create products fast and efficiently.  </p>
<p>Indeed, I think that you&#8217;re *right* that these opportunities will present themselves, but only to the exceedingly gifted and/or lucky &#8212; which is pretty much the way it is now:  A few billionaires, a million or so people trying to start the next new thing, and then the huddled masses.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps a return to a more agrarian society?  Relearning the love of growing, cultivating, harvesting your own food within the a social network defined by family and community?

Learning to do things for ourselves, and being dependent on each other, all over again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps a return to a more agrarian society?  Relearning the love of growing, cultivating, harvesting your own food within the a social network defined by family and community?</p>
<p>Learning to do things for ourselves, and being dependent on each other, all over again?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2012 02:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As soon as automation finishes off Wall Street (should be easy to automate the bond and stock trader&#039;s jobs, and the financial services employees) we should be able to put those guys back to work in the health care industry, managing organ transplants for the rich and famous, right?   Few jobs are really hard to automate if they are broken down into sub tasks and workflows with conditions, and the physical side of the work all done by robots, leaving a very small number of interventionists that are given the power to decide the undecidable.  Those would be the REAL 1%...not the richest 1% but still leaving the 99% to &quot;vote&quot; for their favorite deciders...since money will be eliminated, and property ownership will be decided by community rules.   Glad I am really old already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as automation finishes off Wall Street (should be easy to automate the bond and stock trader&#8217;s jobs, and the financial services employees) we should be able to put those guys back to work in the health care industry, managing organ transplants for the rich and famous, right?   Few jobs are really hard to automate if they are broken down into sub tasks and workflows with conditions, and the physical side of the work all done by robots, leaving a very small number of interventionists that are given the power to decide the undecidable.  Those would be the REAL 1%&#8230;not the richest 1% but still leaving the 99% to &#8220;vote&#8221; for their favorite deciders&#8230;since money will be eliminated, and property ownership will be decided by community rules.   Glad I am really old already.</p>
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		<description>Then you&#039;ll love the Part 2 movie teaser video tomorrow.... stay tuned :)</description>
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