September comes AFTER October!

All you need is Q from Kx. It’s only $80,000 per seat.

http://www.hftreview.com/pg/blog/mike/read/5388/kx-systems-and-high-frequency-trading

Probably worth every penny.

The power of parallel programming.

Follow the money trail.

The Q language near equivalent is J which is now open source….. http://www.jsoftware.com/

Somebody could write a kdb+ in J in around 4 pages of code then give it away to thousands at CNET. That would make day trading really interesting.

Herein lies a very interesting statement. We all are aware of Skynet, or most of us from the move, Terminator. Now think on down the road a bit. And lets assume that various nations have the technology to build a machine, that simulates human intelligence and beyond. Now ‘society has law, the rules we live by. And by society we infer all nations. Now the law that govern, if you will, distinct nations differ from one to another. For example the laws in the US, are no doubt different from the laws in China for instance.

Now lets come back to our intelligent machine. If such a machine is going to take over ‘society,’ we might imagine that this will be different in different societies. So depending on many future factors, China’s super intelligent machine will be different regarding its, lets say objectives from its counterpart in the US, or other countries with equivalent technology.

And if we just take a page from IMB Watson, the so called super intelligent machine, should be all knowing too, ie able to access, lets say the whole history of humanity, especially if it has access to the internet.

Now comes the so called $64,000 question, how or what will these, respective national super intelligent systems decide to do relative to one another. Do we still have survival or the fittest so to speak. Assuming the concept mutual annihilation, lets put skynet to bed, as i don’t think they will want to destroy one another. So will they eventually evolve into one common world order, or what. Will something emerge that optimizes the over efficiency of world order and rewrite things so there is one common law of the jungle.

Protoexample: High Frequency Trading. Very few humans now understand it beyond broad concepts, even fewer completely. Yet it is becoming a increasingly significant factor in world markets.

Stay wise.

The first useful robots with dog level or higher intelligence won’t be “mechanical”. They will be organisms specifically bred to be blank slates for neuro-programming into Biots – starting with bacteria.

How about dogs, horses, oxen, and cats that have been “engineered” in any way needed to make them fully robotic compliant and much more useful than now? That would be the easy and most likely path to almost sapient robots. A better way for programming would be to bypass audio, tactile and visual filters and somehow directly link into various brain centers for low level programming – much easier than implantable electrodes. Organisms bred for that kind of programming are an obvious advantage.

The robotics and operating system software have already been masterfully engineered.

One way to skirt around what would be serious ethical issues would be to design a Frankenism (acceptable to all cultures of some sort and use that as the starting point for the development of biorobots. Kangaroo/Panda Bear maybe?

All of this is old news and nothing new. I think this path is inevitable but the non-carbon based, mechanical path is not.

I think that forward progress into expanding cognitive capabilities is not inevitable. Its likely and unfortunate that the most ineluctable pathway to human level robotics is the road to human “based” robots. Human average IQ’s will stay more or less the same and the hubots will have programmed in cost effective and serious cognitive deficiencies.

Lastly, always follow the money. In the future it may be very unprofitable in the long run to a free capitalistic society to allow a societal average IQ over 140. On top of that it may be extremely dangerous to much more advanced civilizations to tolerate an average over 120. Progress is profit.

I honestly don’t know how to go further then this because, if you want say really does turn out to be true….then enhancement perhaps really is a sham after all — that we should not, or shouldn’t have, gone down this road.

I can’t really comment on this any further because, at this point….well…then everything is basically thrown out the window — perhaps the negativity only stems from the un-enhanced perspective and, despite the seeming brutality, it really is worth it on the ‘other side’ for all sorts of reasons…

I just don’t know — I guess this is where faith works it’s way in…I’ve tried to justify my views on this stuff as best I could, but what you say could very well end up being true perhaps — It’s been said many times before that the biggest implications of the Singularity is that we don’t know what they are….perhaps a sort of “enlightenment” really does happen as we grow and transcend as people through enhancement (spiritual growth)…and yet, perhaps because of it, it is laced with a sort of malevolence by being brutal to everyone “underneath”.

Which is nothing new….history is rampant with “civilized” technology-advanced countries abusing and destroying people whether to ‘help’ them or simply destroy them…perhaps the Singularity is only more of the same.

I can’t go any further on this then hope that really isn’t the case….that if and when enhancement becomes available, and we can augment our intelligence….that we truly will grow as a people and not simply “look down” on everything below us.

If and when the Singularity happens, I guess we’ll find out.

What makes you so sure? Or, how do you know, where it will grow? What if according to higher levels of “spiritual growth”, it will be ok to kill sentient beings (say, because they are all illusions and difference between life and death will be diminished, as we have btw. in current high philosophies, including christianity).

All current valuing peace and kindess, is because we don’t understand life and because we are slaves to our minds, again due to not understanding of its work. That trend might change, once our understanding finally breaches that line, ain’t it?

Not sure you’ll read this, as the thread becomes a mess.

Why would anyone think this progresss would somehow stop? The rate of progress may change in the future, but the inevitable forward progress towards ever expanding machine cognitive capabilities will not stop (as long as our society does not collapse)

I agree, pearls before swine :-) so let me summarize it for Gabriel: “What is an answer without a question?”

And no, there is no back-hand there, but you do seem quite suggestible.

See how 30 comes AFTER 29!

Conventional AI fails, Robotics fails. Biology wins and will always be primary. But the fact is it will take hundreds of years to whittle the needed biological tools to develop truly advanced human level AI and robotics. The forces for singularity could be balanced by a ballooning of complexity – but not perfectly.