Comments on: The sleeping brain behaves as if it’s remembering something http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-sleeping-brain-behaves-as-if-its-remembering-something Accelerating Intelligence Wed, 22 May 2013 19:05:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Bri http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-sleeping-brain-behaves-as-if-its-remembering-something/comment-page-1#comment-39755 Bri Tue, 09 Oct 2012 01:23:55 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=166318#comment-39755 I believe that the brain is processing the days new information. That is to say, it extracts meaningful events and integrates them with previous memories and learned responses. The brain breaks this new input down to an archetypical framework and figures it's relationship to other stored archetypes. As an example, say the mouse encountered a predator and had to evade it. It might have nightmare type responses, as it recalled other examples and means of evading death. Sometimes possibly by freezing. Other times maybe by running, or even fighting. The relative success of these strategies and possible future responses, in relation to the success of this particular episode. It doesn't have to be as strong an incedent as fight or flight. It could be the success of finding a food source, or building a nest. The big thing that makes brains work, is there ability to find commonalities, and applying them to future events. A good example of this was scientist that discovered the form of , I think it was benzene, or some similar molecule. He had been working for a long time trying to figure out it's form, and it finally came to him in a dream while sleeping. I believe that the brain is processing the days new information. That is to say, it extracts meaningful events and integrates them with previous memories and learned responses. The brain breaks this new input down to an archetypical framework and figures it’s relationship to other stored archetypes. As an example, say the mouse encountered a predator and had to evade it. It might have nightmare type responses, as it recalled other examples and means of evading death. Sometimes possibly by freezing. Other times maybe by running, or even fighting. The relative success of these strategies and possible future responses, in relation to the success of this particular episode. It doesn’t have to be as strong an incedent as fight or flight. It could be the success of finding a food source, or building a nest. The big thing that makes brains work, is there ability to find commonalities, and applying them to future events. A good example of this was scientist that discovered the form of , I think it was benzene, or some similar molecule. He had been working for a long time trying to figure out it’s form, and it finally came to him in a dream while sleeping.

]]> By: Richard http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-sleeping-brain-behaves-as-if-its-remembering-something/comment-page-1#comment-39744 Richard Tue, 09 Oct 2012 00:16:12 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=166318#comment-39744 MikeB - I like the way you make your arguments. I have been using similar arguments for many years to help explain to others where and how the thought systems of the brain/mind might work together. Take a) for instance. If I understand you correctly, your argument is that recorded activity in a region "does not" necessarily confirm (label) the activity. (Ie. Activity = Process) I agree. Each of these active regions or clusters are more likely to acting "in concert" as part of a greater whole. Quantum processing becomes possible then when you consider these points acting as discriminators, complex cross referencing hubs, areas that conduct advanced algorithmic variables (picture when your mind uses obscure information in order to "run the numbers.") So with out going further, your argument that additional proofs is required, I concur. b) continues your argument citing your proofs, to c) where you close with a reference. Here's where I'd like to go on though. Although I agree in context with your argument, I support the theory of the article. The reason is because I believe they are on the right track. The amount of data the human brain/mind must compute is beyond our comprehention. One of the reasons for this is because of the "quantum" processes that the brain is capable of performing. One of the ways I believe the brain performs this function is through a cross referencing process similar to "tagging" of imagry on the internet. This process is "on going" and can be accessed at request (Somebody says "I need a screwdriver." - Your mind (hears) the data and selects imagery of screwdrivers, the person or others (values) his cigarettes (hey, data passes by on its way to) Memory (I have a screwdriver in my desk) logic, motor, and nervous systems (action) etc. This process not only continues during sleep, but is one of the reasons sleep is required by human physiology in order to survive. (Human record is 11 days without sleep I believe.) At this time, the mind takes and files "ALL" that information. "We" see it because of "imagery" pieces are making associations and imprints. I believe MikeB – I like the way you make your arguments.

I have been using similar arguments for

many years to help explain to others where and how the thought systems of the brain/mind might work together.
Take a) for

instance. If I understand you correctly, your argument is that recorded activity in a

region “does not” necessarily confirm (label) the activity. (Ie. Activity = Process)
I agree. Each of these active regions or clusters are more likely to acting “in concert” as

part of a greater whole. Quantum processing becomes possible then when you consider these

points acting as discriminators, complex cross referencing hubs, areas that conduct

advanced algorithmic variables (picture when your mind uses obscure information in order to

“run the numbers.”) So with out going further, your argument that additional proofs is

required, I concur.
b) continues your argument citing your proofs, to c) where you close with a reference.
Here’s where I’d like to go on though.
Although I agree in context with your argument, I support the theory of the article.

The reason is because I believe they are on the right track.

The amount of data the human brain/mind must compute is beyond our comprehention. One of the reasons for this is because of the “quantum” processes that the brain is capable of performing.

One of the ways I believe the brain performs this function is through a cross referencing process similar to “tagging” of imagry on the internet. This process is “on going” and can be accessed at request (Somebody says “I need a screwdriver.” – Your mind (hears) the data and selects imagery of screwdrivers, the person or others (values) his cigarettes (hey, data passes by on its way to) Memory (I have a screwdriver in my desk) logic, motor, and nervous systems (action) etc.

This process not only continues during sleep, but is one of the reasons sleep is required by human physiology in order to survive. (Human record is 11 days without sleep I believe.)
At this time, the mind takes and files “ALL” that information. “We” see it because of “imagery” pieces are making associations and imprints.
I believe

]]> By: Marcos Marin http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-sleeping-brain-behaves-as-if-its-remembering-something/comment-page-1#comment-39601 Marcos Marin Mon, 08 Oct 2012 14:35:00 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=166318#comment-39601 remembering to wake up. remembering to wake up.

]]> By: MikeB http://www.kurzweilai.net/the-sleeping-brain-behaves-as-if-its-remembering-something/comment-page-1#comment-39588 MikeB Mon, 08 Oct 2012 14:04:02 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=166318#comment-39588 Some observations: a) "decipher ... conversations" would mean, to most, understanding the information conveyed. Not here. They used filtering algorithms to clean up very noisy signals to determine that there was evidence of communication ... no proof since we don't know what any of the activity meant (no stimulus remember); b) measured 3 regions simultaneously and observed what seemed to be intercommunication. Might be more credible if _all_ regions of brain are measured simultaneously ... so what is presented is a theory (and interpretation) not a fact, four, five, six regions maybe more players in the equation?; and c) this was all done in mice. So it's really: "Sleeping Mice Brains Behave as if Remembering Something and we Think Human Brains do the Same Though we Haven't Performed the Same Experiments on the Latter" Some observations:
a) “decipher … conversations” would mean, to most, understanding the information conveyed. Not here. They used filtering algorithms to clean up very noisy signals to determine that there was evidence of communication … no proof since we don’t know what any of the activity meant (no stimulus remember);
b) measured 3 regions simultaneously and observed what seemed to be intercommunication. Might be more credible if _all_ regions of brain are measured simultaneously … so what is presented is a theory (and interpretation) not a fact, four, five, six regions maybe more players in the equation?; and
c) this was all done in mice. So it’s really: “Sleeping Mice Brains Behave as if Remembering Something and we Think Human Brains do the Same Though we Haven’t Performed the Same Experiments on the Latter”

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