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		<title>By: Nawaralsaadi</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/to-boldly-go-a-one-way-human-mission-to-mars/comment-page-1#comment-1204</link>
		<dc:creator>Nawaralsaadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 04:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent idea, I believe the world need a unifying human experience right now; some benefits can&#039;t be measured in dollars, this is one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent idea, I believe the world need a unifying human experience right now; some benefits can&#8217;t be measured in dollars, this is one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: DanR</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 18:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to fit well in times of peak oil, maybe peak economics, peak population and peak earth-based conciousness. Maybe our future depends on this. On the other hand, if the resupply mission doesn&#039;t get there soon after, they may have to wait a very long time. Perhaps the mission should be made up of women and a sperm bank. Maybe women from Gaviotas, &quot;a village to reinvent the world&quot;, in Columbia South America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to fit well in times of peak oil, maybe peak economics, peak population and peak earth-based conciousness. Maybe our future depends on this. On the other hand, if the resupply mission doesn&#8217;t get there soon after, they may have to wait a very long time. Perhaps the mission should be made up of women and a sperm bank. Maybe women from Gaviotas, &#8220;a village to reinvent the world&#8221;, in Columbia South America.</p>
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		<title>By: DanR</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/to-boldly-go-a-one-way-human-mission-to-mars/comment-page-1#comment-1152</link>
		<dc:creator>DanR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 04:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to fit well in times of peak oil, maybe peak economics, peak population and peak earth-based consciousness. Maybe our future depends on this. On the other hand, if the resupply mission doesn&#039;t get there soon after, they may have to wait a very long time. Perhaps the mission should be made up of women and a sperm bank. Maybe women from Gaviotas, &quot;a village to reinvent the world&quot;, in Columbia South America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems to fit well in times of peak oil, maybe peak economics, peak population and peak earth-based consciousness. Maybe our future depends on this. On the other hand, if the resupply mission doesn&#8217;t get there soon after, they may have to wait a very long time. Perhaps the mission should be made up of women and a sperm bank. Maybe women from Gaviotas, &#8220;a village to reinvent the world&#8221;, in Columbia South America.</p>
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		<title>By: Grismar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grismar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;he would want the launch to wait until his young children have all grown into adults.&quot; #fail I wouldn&#039;t mind driving a Ferrari, if it was free.

The main problem with this article to me though, is that it ignores that we won&#039;t see a return on investment on this trip. At least not in the foreseeable future. That&#039;s the difference with blokes like Marco Polo, Columbus, etc. Of course knowledge for knowledge&#039;s sake is nice and I&#039;m not denying that there might be some spin off science that will do well on Earth. But I can&#039;t help thinking there&#039;s cheaper ways to go about it. 

How about we spend that money on developing better AI for the robots we can send without a horror show unfolding on the Red Planet, forcing families to see their love oned die horrible deaths of starvation. (in case you forgot, settling new land isn&#039;t a picnic and it never was)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;he would want the launch to wait until his young children have all grown into adults.&#8221; #fail I wouldn&#8217;t mind driving a Ferrari, if it was free.</p>
<p>The main problem with this article to me though, is that it ignores that we won&#8217;t see a return on investment on this trip. At least not in the foreseeable future. That&#8217;s the difference with blokes like Marco Polo, Columbus, etc. Of course knowledge for knowledge&#8217;s sake is nice and I&#8217;m not denying that there might be some spin off science that will do well on Earth. But I can&#8217;t help thinking there&#8217;s cheaper ways to go about it. </p>
<p>How about we spend that money on developing better AI for the robots we can send without a horror show unfolding on the Red Planet, forcing families to see their love oned die horrible deaths of starvation. (in case you forgot, settling new land isn&#8217;t a picnic and it never was)</p>
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		<title>By: Twixly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twixly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a good idea. The motivation of a few people stuck on Mars to survive would also help come up with wonderfull ideas, don&#039;t underestimate the human ingenious and will to survive. And to send them suplies in smaller, unmanned one-way spacecrafts should not be too expensive. Also once the persons were actually there, I think the entire world would follow them almost daily and the political landscape would surely change to support them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good idea. The motivation of a few people stuck on Mars to survive would also help come up with wonderfull ideas, don&#8217;t underestimate the human ingenious and will to survive. And to send them suplies in smaller, unmanned one-way spacecrafts should not be too expensive. Also once the persons were actually there, I think the entire world would follow them almost daily and the political landscape would surely change to support them.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristoph77</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristoph77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating to contemplate the possibilities; it really ignites the imagination! I love the idea and I really hope this gets some serious traction within the international space community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating to contemplate the possibilities; it really ignites the imagination! I love the idea and I really hope this gets some serious traction within the international space community.</p>
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		<title>By: eschatologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>eschatologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider that plants make oxygen and we make co2. With sufficient recylcing of material, which would take a lot of energy, you could make a livable colony anywhere. You can buy a biosphere for fish...
http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/182-8289420-7998519?asin=B000068ZIC&amp;AFID=shopzilla_df&amp;LNM=&#124;B000068ZIC&amp;CPNG=health%20beauty&amp;ci_src=10043468&amp;ci_sku=B000068ZIC&amp;ref=tgt_adv_XSB10001

Making one for a person is much harder, but not impossible. And it needn&#039;t be a pure self-sufficient environment. You can take materials (and people) in from the asteroids or planets of the solar system. You can make inflatable spaces, and you can extract oxygen from most rocks in the solar system.

I think space mining is the most obvious first step. Moving asteroid material into LEO would make it possible to construct spacecraft and satellites without needed to launch material. The gold and platinum metals would be useful on Earth. The idea is the same - leave the miners to keep mining, no return, but the miners could build up quite a bit of money for their grandkids. Eventually you would start bringing people back and forth, but the first goal should be to make enough profit to send more miners... it&#039;s for the good of the human race. 

Given a choice, many people would stop such profitable mining only when they died. Others would keep mining until &quot;relieved&quot; and someone else came to finish it. And who are we to deny people&#039;s choices?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider that plants make oxygen and we make co2. With sufficient recylcing of material, which would take a lot of energy, you could make a livable colony anywhere. You can buy a biosphere for fish&#8230;<br />
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<p>Making one for a person is much harder, but not impossible. And it needn&#8217;t be a pure self-sufficient environment. You can take materials (and people) in from the asteroids or planets of the solar system. You can make inflatable spaces, and you can extract oxygen from most rocks in the solar system.</p>
<p>I think space mining is the most obvious first step. Moving asteroid material into LEO would make it possible to construct spacecraft and satellites without needed to launch material. The gold and platinum metals would be useful on Earth. The idea is the same &#8211; leave the miners to keep mining, no return, but the miners could build up quite a bit of money for their grandkids. Eventually you would start bringing people back and forth, but the first goal should be to make enough profit to send more miners&#8230; it&#8217;s for the good of the human race. </p>
<p>Given a choice, many people would stop such profitable mining only when they died. Others would keep mining until &#8220;relieved&#8221; and someone else came to finish it. And who are we to deny people&#8217;s choices?</p>
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		<title>By: eschatologist</title>
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		<dc:creator>eschatologist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Life is 100% fatal on Earth. To die  after many years of working on a colony for humanity on Mars would be an honor.

Who wants to be safe and anonymous among 6 billion others? 

Also, setting up a garden in a artificially lit room with a constant power source (nuclear) would not be too difficult. You could do that on Mars or on an asteroid or in deep space. An asteroid may be best, as you can transport valuable material back to earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life is 100% fatal on Earth. To die  after many years of working on a colony for humanity on Mars would be an honor.</p>
<p>Who wants to be safe and anonymous among 6 billion others? </p>
<p>Also, setting up a garden in a artificially lit room with a constant power source (nuclear) would not be too difficult. You could do that on Mars or on an asteroid or in deep space. An asteroid may be best, as you can transport valuable material back to earth.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremymong</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremymong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Four astronauts? Thats pretty much the worst possible number, with the exception of three (two males, one female).

With the technological aspects of starting a martian colony relatively avaiable, the main concern now is the psychological stability of the volunteers. Unless you plan on forbidding one of the genders (which obviously brings up its own psych problems), sex is something that needs to be taken into account, This is compounded by the fact the people most willing and capable of leaving Earth forever are young, single individuals with a sense of adventure. And with four people you&#039;re pretty much creating forced partnerships, or worse drama if there is rejection (Having &quot;Not if you were the last avaiable man on the planet!&quot; not be an exaggeration is probably a bit of an ego-killer),

The other point is the necessity of any given person. We have to assume that in such a precarious situation, injuries are going to happen. And with only four people, the other three won&#039;t really be capable of shifting the workload if one is incapacitated. If two people get injured, everybody dies.

I&#039;d really have to say, 12-20 people is pretty much the minimum requirement for a one way trip to Mars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Four astronauts? Thats pretty much the worst possible number, with the exception of three (two males, one female).</p>
<p>With the technological aspects of starting a martian colony relatively avaiable, the main concern now is the psychological stability of the volunteers. Unless you plan on forbidding one of the genders (which obviously brings up its own psych problems), sex is something that needs to be taken into account, This is compounded by the fact the people most willing and capable of leaving Earth forever are young, single individuals with a sense of adventure. And with four people you&#8217;re pretty much creating forced partnerships, or worse drama if there is rejection (Having &#8220;Not if you were the last avaiable man on the planet!&#8221; not be an exaggeration is probably a bit of an ego-killer),</p>
<p>The other point is the necessity of any given person. We have to assume that in such a precarious situation, injuries are going to happen. And with only four people, the other three won&#8217;t really be capable of shifting the workload if one is incapacitated. If two people get injured, everybody dies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d really have to say, 12-20 people is pretty much the minimum requirement for a one way trip to Mars.</p>
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		<title>By: Editor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would it take to create a livable environment in a cave on Mars? Some kind of stationary Bernal sphere? One idea would be to bounce sunlight down into the cave via a series of mirrors, establishing a day/night cycle (a Mars day is just over 24 hours) and providing energy for solar collectors, heating, electronics, plant cultivation, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would it take to create a livable environment in a cave on Mars? Some kind of stationary Bernal sphere? One idea would be to bounce sunlight down into the cave via a series of mirrors, establishing a day/night cycle (a Mars day is just over 24 hours) and providing energy for solar collectors, heating, electronics, plant cultivation, etc.</p>
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