Comments on: Using HIV to attack itself http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself Accelerating Intelligence Fri, 24 May 2013 09:08:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: W. http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-99450 W. Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:27:58 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-99450 See this movie (The Emperor's New Virus): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Li9MO3RfCQ Is it true that nobody has isolated HIV virus so far? If you do, you probably win the Nobel Prize! Is this article above credible at all? See this movie (The Emperor’s New Virus):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Li9MO3RfCQ

Is it true that nobody has isolated HIV virus so far? If you do, you probably win the Nobel Prize! Is this article above credible at all?

]]> By: egore http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-92358 egore Sun, 27 Jan 2013 03:17:39 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-92358 If you look into big Pharma , you will find they almost all have been sued for Billions of dollars by the Government for illegal actions. This is almost normal way for them to do business. If you look into big Pharma , you will find they almost all have been sued for Billions of dollars by the Government for illegal actions. This is almost normal way for them to do business.

]]> By: Amit http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-91775 Amit Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:46:19 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-91775 For your information, most research such as this is done by scientists who are not very well paid, for public research bodies that do not work for profit. There have been a spate of patent infringement cases in recent times where universities have sued pharma companies and asked for injunctions, as these companies use public IP which they then take on-stream and block access to the rest of the scientific world. It is not INNOVATION, it is ROBBERY. For your information, most research such as this is done by scientists who are not very well paid, for public research bodies that do not work for profit. There have been a spate of patent infringement cases in recent times where universities have sued pharma companies and asked for injunctions, as these companies use public IP which they then take on-stream and block access to the rest of the scientific world. It is not INNOVATION, it is ROBBERY.

]]> By: Amit http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-91770 Amit Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:39:01 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-91770 John, No point in engaging in a theoretical discussion on this. Unless you are afflicted with a condition whose treatment you cannot pay for, you will live in this la-la land of "screw fairness". Then, when you fact the same situation as hundreds of millions of poor people worldwide, you will see the light of day pretty quickly, I assure you. John,
No point in engaging in a theoretical discussion on this. Unless you are afflicted with a condition whose treatment you cannot pay for, you will live in this la-la land of “screw fairness”. Then, when you fact the same situation as hundreds of millions of poor people worldwide, you will see the light of day pretty quickly, I assure you.

]]> By: Amit http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-91476 Amit Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:52:34 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-91476 So your answer to personal attacks is fascism. Bravo. So your answer to personal attacks is fascism. Bravo.

]]> By: Klaatu http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-91412 Klaatu Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:08:58 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-91412 Ever have the feeling many comments are kinda fake and like these boards are being "seeded"? You think you are seeing 2 points of view with both sides looking too simplistic to be true. Nice typing though. Ever have the feeling many comments are kinda fake
and like these boards are being “seeded”? You think you are
seeing 2 points of view with both sides looking too
simplistic to be true. Nice typing though.

]]> By: Klaatu http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-91407 Klaatu Thu, 24 Jan 2013 19:01:27 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-91407 Bravo to that. Straight from "Winner Take All Politics" offering context to explain *Mr Bain* who lost b/c "he really wasn't interested in being president" & also b/c the backward low information Republican voter base forced him to lie more than usual. Bravo to that. Straight from “Winner Take All Politics”
offering context to explain *Mr Bain* who lost b/c
“he really wasn’t interested in being president”
& also b/c the backward low information Republican
voter base forced him to lie more than usual.

]]> By: Barbara Blackcinder http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-91320 Barbara Blackcinder Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:41:45 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-91320 dozens of billions?, and just where did the hundreds of billions go that corporate Pharma has sucked out of the rest of the world? dozens of billions?, and just where did the hundreds of billions go that corporate Pharma has sucked out of the rest of the world?

]]> By: Barbara Blackcinder http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-91316 Barbara Blackcinder Thu, 24 Jan 2013 15:38:09 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-91316 And with your mindset corporate Pharma would hold back flu vaccine until it became profitable, no matter who it killed. And with your mindset corporate Pharma would hold back flu vaccine until it became profitable, no matter who it killed.

]]> By: Editor http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-91014 Editor Wed, 23 Jan 2013 15:14:57 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-91014 FYI, KurzweilAI welcomes all viewpoints and opinions, but we do block personal attacks. FYI, KurzweilAI welcomes all viewpoints and opinions, but we do block personal attacks.

]]> By: Amit http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-91010 Amit Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:55:40 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-91010 Dr. X, With your sort of mindset, I don't know what you are doing here. You are clearly a "scarcity" minded person, who understands only winner-takes-all dynamics. I have nothing else to say to you. Dr. X,
With your sort of mindset, I don’t know what you are doing here. You are clearly a “scarcity” minded person, who understands only winner-takes-all dynamics. I have nothing else to say to you.

]]> By: Dr. X http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-90427 Dr. X Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:42:43 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-90427 QUOTE: "Soon robots and AI will obliterate the old way. " I would be among the first to welcome AI with intelligence comparable to humans. No human should be forced to clean washrooms or even serve hamburgers in fast food. I fail to see how such jobs could be fulfilling and satisfying. And AI that is comparable to PhD and work 24/7/365 - gosh, it is so hard to find skilled workforce around! Such AI would truly be awesome. Nevertheless singularity is coming. It will happen way sooner then most think. QUOTE: “Soon robots and AI will obliterate the old way. ”
I would be among the first to welcome AI with intelligence comparable to humans. No human should be forced to clean washrooms or even serve hamburgers in fast food. I fail to see how such jobs could be fulfilling and satisfying. And AI that is comparable to PhD and work 24/7/365 – gosh, it is so hard to find skilled workforce around! Such AI would truly be awesome.

Nevertheless singularity is coming. It will happen way sooner then most think.

]]> By: John J. http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-90313 John J. Tue, 22 Jan 2013 05:18:37 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-90313 "Little point to the exercise if you then allow big pharma to monopolize it through patents." While I think there's perfectly valid concerns about what is patentable and for how long, I will point out that the profit motive for this (or any) development is super important. I would much rather live in a world where the rich can afford first treatment than one where treatments never exist at all. The second world is "more fair", but screw that. Fairness isn't the goal, health is. “Little point to the exercise if you then allow big pharma to monopolize it through patents.”

While I think there’s perfectly valid concerns about what is patentable and for how long, I will point out that the profit motive for this (or any) development is super important. I would much rather live in a world where the rich can afford first treatment than one where treatments never exist at all. The second world is “more fair”, but screw that. Fairness isn’t the goal, health is.

]]> By: Bri http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-90299 Bri Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:24:01 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-90299 Ah yes there it is. The two competing and opposed lines of thinking. It's a really thorny issue to think through. It's been argued since the bogging of money. The haves and the have nots. Somebody wins, but that means that others have to lose. It automatically relegates humans into classes. A caste system of sorts. To tell you the truth it's always been that way. If you have money you can make lots more. If you don't, have money your options are very limited. Soon robots and AI will obliterate the old way. A classic short to ground. Can't have a radio or TV if the electrons just short to ground. Whether we like it or not this bull fight is coming to a close. The sword is drawn and poised to strike. La fuersa brutal in all it's glory. With blood everywhere. Yes, who will be king of the hill? Who will be superior and be the one making the killing in the bull market? Ah yes there it is. The two competing and opposed lines of thinking. It’s a really thorny issue to think through. It’s been argued since the bogging of money. The haves and the have nots. Somebody wins, but that means that others have to lose. It automatically relegates humans into classes. A caste system of sorts. To tell you the truth it’s always been that way. If you have money you can make lots more. If you don’t, have money your options are very limited. Soon robots and AI will obliterate the old way. A classic short to ground. Can’t have a radio or TV if the electrons just short to ground. Whether we like it or not this bull fight is coming to a close. The sword is drawn and poised to strike. La fuersa brutal in all it’s glory. With blood everywhere. Yes, who will be king of the hill? Who will be superior and be the one making the killing in the bull market?

]]> By: Dr. X http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-90276 Dr. X Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:24:02 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-90276 Exactly this attitude leads to to lower profit of biotech industry. pharmas are robbed dozens of billions $$$ each year through the means of "generic" drug and outright stealing of idea and technology. That is directly leading to lower R&D spending, and MUCH lower investments into industry. Why would investor(like me) spend his own hard earned money if intellectual property at the end would be stolen by unrelated parties? This prevents many new drugs from being developed, lower competition leading to higher prices for existing drugs, and prevent multiple cures from being developed. Ideally with you logic we should screw pharmas/biotech to the point that no drugs are developed... Exactly this attitude leads to to lower profit of biotech industry. pharmas are robbed dozens of billions $$$ each year through the means of “generic” drug and outright stealing of idea and technology.

That is directly leading to lower R&D spending, and MUCH lower investments into industry. Why would investor(like me) spend his own hard earned money if intellectual property at the end would be stolen by unrelated parties? This prevents many new drugs from being developed, lower competition leading to higher prices for existing drugs, and prevent multiple cures from being developed.

Ideally with you logic we should screw pharmas/biotech to the point that no drugs are developed…

]]> By: Mark http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-90069 Mark Mon, 21 Jan 2013 19:28:42 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-90069 If Pharma replaces it's $2000/month treatments with a 'cure' like this, how much will they charge for it? If Pharma replaces it’s $2000/month treatments with a ‘cure’ like this, how much will they charge for it?

]]> By: deadalus http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-90016 deadalus Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:58:48 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-90016 pretty much... it fits in perfectly, its not a cure it just stops it from going full blown, still will need lifetime drugs to keep the hiv under control.. poO! ahwell lives saved are lives saved, maybe they can just live long enough to ditch the meat-bag shells and escape that way lol gotta stay positive right! im speaking for all incurable illnesses here of course... pretty much… it fits in perfectly, its not a cure it just stops it from going full blown, still will need lifetime drugs to keep the hiv under control.. poO! ahwell lives saved are lives saved, maybe they can just live long enough to ditch the meat-bag shells and escape that way lol gotta stay positive right! im speaking for all incurable illnesses here of course…

]]> By: Amit http://www.kurzweilai.net/using-hiv-to-attack-itself/comment-page-1#comment-90006 Amit Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:41:35 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=177271#comment-90006 Little point to the exercise if you then allow big pharma to monopolize it through patents. It will then be denied to the people who need it most - poor people in Africa and Asia. Time we dismantled the big pharma racket that denies healthcare to the world's poor. Little point to the exercise if you then allow big pharma to monopolize it through patents. It will then be denied to the people who need it most – poor people in Africa and Asia. Time we dismantled the big pharma racket that denies healthcare to the world’s poor.

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