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		<title>By: Kenntron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenntron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 10:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We sort of have already haphazardly terraformed Earth with our industrial stuff. Keyword, haphazardly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We sort of have already haphazardly terraformed Earth with our industrial stuff. Keyword, haphazardly.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2013 14:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why terraform another planet to make it inhabitable and not terraform our own?</description>
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		<title>By: GatorALLin</title>
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		<dc:creator>GatorALLin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 22:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will be interesting to see what creative things they can do to avoid costs. Wondering if some companies would donate free sample product, just to prove they were the first on MARS.  I guess visions of TANG come up.  The tootbrush that they use on Mars....the mars candy bar... but seriously, there may be some race car like stickers on those pods that bring in real money for a project like this. If you think about anyone from any country... remember how much some of these Billionaires paid to fly into space? I bet there will be over a dozen new companies fighting to get into this new market.... maybe they will have to pay to be invited to give free products for this first mission?  I think having a TV feed will change the game a bit. It should be fun to watch regardless.... Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting to see what creative things they can do to avoid costs. Wondering if some companies would donate free sample product, just to prove they were the first on MARS.  I guess visions of TANG come up.  The tootbrush that they use on Mars&#8230;.the mars candy bar&#8230; but seriously, there may be some race car like stickers on those pods that bring in real money for a project like this. If you think about anyone from any country&#8230; remember how much some of these Billionaires paid to fly into space? I bet there will be over a dozen new companies fighting to get into this new market&#8230;. maybe they will have to pay to be invited to give free products for this first mission?  I think having a TV feed will change the game a bit. It should be fun to watch regardless&#8230;. Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: GatorALLin</title>
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		<dc:creator>GatorALLin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2013 22:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You had me thinking of the JFK quote.

&quot;We chose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our skills and talents, because that challenge is one we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone and one we intend to win, and the others, too.&quot; Address at Rice University, Space Needs, Houston, Texas, September 1962  JFK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You had me thinking of the JFK quote.</p>
<p>&#8220;We chose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our skills and talents, because that challenge is one we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone and one we intend to win, and the others, too.&#8221; Address at Rice University, Space Needs, Houston, Texas, September 1962  JFK.</p>
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		<title>By: Bri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention the, why did you climb Mt Everest? Because it&#039;s there mentality.</description>
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		<title>By: craigtown61</title>
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		<dc:creator>craigtown61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 22:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um Bob peddle your economic illiteracy somewhere else would you? FYI, all roads, post offices, canal building, subways and railroad building started out as private businesses later taken by the STATE.  Even Golambos (sp) wanted to go to the moon as a private venture back in the late 50’s. So when using your linear paleolithic mind, peek out and ask yourself what could have been built and invented if the STATE hadnt taken over all these things. How more efficient would everything have been, how much more capital would have been available for greater production and invention? The techno-philanthropists are now kicking the gov buttttt!And by the way even K. Marx is on their side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um Bob peddle your economic illiteracy somewhere else would you? FYI, all roads, post offices, canal building, subways and railroad building started out as private businesses later taken by the STATE.  Even Golambos (sp) wanted to go to the moon as a private venture back in the late 50’s. So when using your linear paleolithic mind, peek out and ask yourself what could have been built and invented if the STATE hadnt taken over all these things. How more efficient would everything have been, how much more capital would have been available for greater production and invention? The techno-philanthropists are now kicking the gov buttttt!And by the way even K. Marx is on their side.</p>
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		<title>By: craigtown61</title>
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		<dc:creator>craigtown61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 22:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have already done that for 30 years and gone no where. Without risk there are no rewards. The precautionary prinicple if vile vulgar propoganda. You need to drop the Euorpean mind set. All exploration has risk, it is what humans do. We are human beings, humn becomings, not human stalagmites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have already done that for 30 years and gone no where. Without risk there are no rewards. The precautionary prinicple if vile vulgar propoganda. You need to drop the Euorpean mind set. All exploration has risk, it is what humans do. We are human beings, humn becomings, not human stalagmites.</p>
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		<title>By: craigtown61</title>
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		<dc:creator>craigtown61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 22:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not see how you jump to these conclusions. How can wanting to explore space be nothing but non-linear in scope? The Apollo moon program kick started the entire technological revolution. What needs to be invented to live and explore space does nothing but accelerate the singularity, just as the 60s space program kick started the computer age. Everything is synergetic and interrelated. Without the Apollo program you would be as far advanced in computer tech as we are today, MRI and Cat scans could still be a decade away. Small advanced nuclear power plants made for space would dramatically change energy on earth. Mining asteroids the moon and mars would create such a wave of new prosperity that more R&amp; D could be funded.  What you fear is nonsensical and based on the Zeitgeist’s sustainable neo-Malthusian fear based propaganda. The law of increasing and exponential returns floats all technological boats and accelerates humanity toward the singularity.  Space exploration and colonization is the evolutionary future of humanity and goes hand in hand with technological advancement, What you should be fighting is the worthless wars and political solutions to the worlds problems that waste trillions and accomplish nothing but more coercion, violence and force against us. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars wasted trillions, we could have gone to mars 20 times for the money and what would have been invented along the way would bring you ever closer to techno-immortality!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not see how you jump to these conclusions. How can wanting to explore space be nothing but non-linear in scope? The Apollo moon program kick started the entire technological revolution. What needs to be invented to live and explore space does nothing but accelerate the singularity, just as the 60s space program kick started the computer age. Everything is synergetic and interrelated. Without the Apollo program you would be as far advanced in computer tech as we are today, MRI and Cat scans could still be a decade away. Small advanced nuclear power plants made for space would dramatically change energy on earth. Mining asteroids the moon and mars would create such a wave of new prosperity that more R&amp; D could be funded.  What you fear is nonsensical and based on the Zeitgeist’s sustainable neo-Malthusian fear based propaganda. The law of increasing and exponential returns floats all technological boats and accelerates humanity toward the singularity.  Space exploration and colonization is the evolutionary future of humanity and goes hand in hand with technological advancement, What you should be fighting is the worthless wars and political solutions to the worlds problems that waste trillions and accomplish nothing but more coercion, violence and force against us. The Iraq and Afghanistan wars wasted trillions, we could have gone to mars 20 times for the money and what would have been invented along the way would bring you ever closer to techno-immortality!</p>
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		<title>By: aldo</title>
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		<dc:creator>aldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you might be forgetting about our innate passion for adventure and exploration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you might be forgetting about our innate passion for adventure and exploration.</p>
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		<title>By: snake0</title>
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		<dc:creator>snake0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a Math Tax for stupid people&quot;.. that is the most apt description I&#039;ve ever heard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a Math Tax for stupid people&#8221;.. that is the most apt description I&#8217;ve ever heard!</p>
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		<title>By: snake0</title>
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		<dc:creator>snake0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 23:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I want that one :(</description>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see why it should be either/or.  These things could go on in parallel, plus the advance of technology should make the idea of a Mars colony easier.  If technology makes it less and less relevant where you live, why shouldn&#039;t some people decide to live on Mars?  It&#039;s not so far away as to make it impossible to send new stuff there, and communications are fast enough that you&#039;d be able to follow anything happening on Earth, technology-wise or otherwise, and nanotech should allow you to build just about anything that had been developed on Earth.

My main concern is not that it won&#039;t be something that we&#039;ll want to do sometime this century (actually probably by 2050), but that it may be just a bit premature to do it before 2025.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see why it should be either/or.  These things could go on in parallel, plus the advance of technology should make the idea of a Mars colony easier.  If technology makes it less and less relevant where you live, why shouldn&#8217;t some people decide to live on Mars?  It&#8217;s not so far away as to make it impossible to send new stuff there, and communications are fast enough that you&#8217;d be able to follow anything happening on Earth, technology-wise or otherwise, and nanotech should allow you to build just about anything that had been developed on Earth.</p>
<p>My main concern is not that it won&#8217;t be something that we&#8217;ll want to do sometime this century (actually probably by 2050), but that it may be just a bit premature to do it before 2025.</p>
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		<title>By: Qwerty Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qwerty Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@PirateRo

I have never said that we should not explore the space, on the contrary - I am all for exploration – but with robotic probes. And I personally do not believe the biological humans will ever be doing any serious space exploration. This is just a puerile fantasy and a throwback to linear thinking of sci-fi writers of the yesteryear.  Space exploration is the job for machines. Astronauts today wear nappies (what could be more undignified!) and need a massively costly life support.  The fact that we have human astronauts at all shows that the state of the robotics is still quite unsophisticated. I would be really, really disappointed if this remained the case by 2023.

The current prediction is that by 2045 there will be no difference between man and machine, and well before that there should be robots capable of doing any job a human can do – be it brain surgery, sending invoices, or installing antennae on space stations.  And no, the strong general AI is not required to drive a car or fly a plane (or spaceship). Humans will never mine asteroids –  the machines will. There will never be any terraforming of Mars, machines need no air.  In fact oxygen and water are somewhat corrosive.</description>
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<p>I have never said that we should not explore the space, on the contrary &#8211; I am all for exploration – but with robotic probes. And I personally do not believe the biological humans will ever be doing any serious space exploration. This is just a puerile fantasy and a throwback to linear thinking of sci-fi writers of the yesteryear.  Space exploration is the job for machines. Astronauts today wear nappies (what could be more undignified!) and need a massively costly life support.  The fact that we have human astronauts at all shows that the state of the robotics is still quite unsophisticated. I would be really, really disappointed if this remained the case by 2023.</p>
<p>The current prediction is that by 2045 there will be no difference between man and machine, and well before that there should be robots capable of doing any job a human can do – be it brain surgery, sending invoices, or installing antennae on space stations.  And no, the strong general AI is not required to drive a car or fly a plane (or spaceship). Humans will never mine asteroids –  the machines will. There will never be any terraforming of Mars, machines need no air.  In fact oxygen and water are somewhat corrosive.</p>
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		<title>By: PirateRo</title>
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		<dc:creator>PirateRo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I appreciate and share your concern about extending and preserving life, the fact is that, as a responsible civilization (yeah, I know), we have to do both of these things. It is not a case of one or the other or through presentation of other false choices. We MUST do both. 

I can see it now - we do not explore, we do not dare but we all live forever and we&#039;ll all be alive to share the cataclysm that destroys the earth because we did not have the tech to get us all (GET US ***ALL*** not just some) off the planet. 

We must do both. Where I disagree is the idea that costs must be the overriding concern here. I do not agree that an accountant should determine my fate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I appreciate and share your concern about extending and preserving life, the fact is that, as a responsible civilization (yeah, I know), we have to do both of these things. It is not a case of one or the other or through presentation of other false choices. We MUST do both. </p>
<p>I can see it now &#8211; we do not explore, we do not dare but we all live forever and we&#8217;ll all be alive to share the cataclysm that destroys the earth because we did not have the tech to get us all (GET US ***ALL*** not just some) off the planet. </p>
<p>We must do both. Where I disagree is the idea that costs must be the overriding concern here. I do not agree that an accountant should determine my fate.</p>
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		<title>By: Qwerty Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qwerty Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know my voice is a dissenting one….

But I am, for one, delighted that the NASA is stopping sending humans into space.  When I read of proposed human colonies on the Moon or Mars; when I read people dreaming of giant space ships hundreds of miles long, or of terra-forming other planets, or of finding habitable words suitable for human colonisation, this all sounds to me like a prime example of linear thinking and a pitiful lack of imagination. 

To me a [b]human[/b] colony on Mars would signify a profound failure of the robotics and of the AI; no automatic manufacturing, and farm bots, no prospect of technological Singularity, no post-scarcity world of leisure and good health, no intelligence amplification, no mind-uploading,  and obviously no transcendence and eternal life. 

A human colony of Mars would mean that I, and everybody I love will die, (of old age if we are lucky), because that would mean that the mind-machine interface and robotics have failed!

The only redeeming feature of such dreams of space exploration in biological bodies is that anybody with common sense would see that going to Mars for biological creatures is only possible (in a sensible economical way) if they are in suspended animation, transported there as cargo in heavily shielded boxes, with no air, water, food or in-flight entertainment required. 

Hopefully the Mars colony projects could spur research into controlled hypothermia, suspended animation and cryonics. Decades ago I saw a documentary of a dog being chilled for hours (no I don’t have a link, that was well before the Internet) re-animated and apparently suffering no ill-effects, as it still recognised it’s owners and behaved the same.  I have also read of animals, and even humans being revived after drowning in icy water by falling through the ice, sometimes hours later. Only last year I read in a newspaper of a diver on a North Sea oil platform suffering some kind of equipment malfunction and surviving for 15 minutes with no air, due to cold water.  In some clinics cooling of the body and brain is used during surgery, and I want to see more research into this.  

I want this to be standard procedure, when a patient has an option that in the case of a terminal illness, or injury, instead of being kept in a coma for months and years, to have a choice to be cryonicly preserved instead. It might even be cheaper than spending resources on palliative care.

And yes, I would like to see colonies on Mars, but robotic ones, with no nonsense like growing food in domes, air support etc.

Anybody who understands the exponential nature of technological evolution would see that the future is non-biological. We are destined to become machines, and I want it to happen within my life-time because I (like most people) don’t want to die. Therefore resources should be spend on programs to make this happen sooner, to extend the maximum human lifespan, so more people can benefit; on cryonics for everyone, as part of the standard health care, rather than wasting billions on building agricultural domes on Mars, and human space flights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know my voice is a dissenting one….</p>
<p>But I am, for one, delighted that the NASA is stopping sending humans into space.  When I read of proposed human colonies on the Moon or Mars; when I read people dreaming of giant space ships hundreds of miles long, or of terra-forming other planets, or of finding habitable words suitable for human colonisation, this all sounds to me like a prime example of linear thinking and a pitiful lack of imagination. </p>
<p>To me a [b]human[/b] colony on Mars would signify a profound failure of the robotics and of the AI; no automatic manufacturing, and farm bots, no prospect of technological Singularity, no post-scarcity world of leisure and good health, no intelligence amplification, no mind-uploading,  and obviously no transcendence and eternal life. </p>
<p>A human colony of Mars would mean that I, and everybody I love will die, (of old age if we are lucky), because that would mean that the mind-machine interface and robotics have failed!</p>
<p>The only redeeming feature of such dreams of space exploration in biological bodies is that anybody with common sense would see that going to Mars for biological creatures is only possible (in a sensible economical way) if they are in suspended animation, transported there as cargo in heavily shielded boxes, with no air, water, food or in-flight entertainment required. </p>
<p>Hopefully the Mars colony projects could spur research into controlled hypothermia, suspended animation and cryonics. Decades ago I saw a documentary of a dog being chilled for hours (no I don’t have a link, that was well before the Internet) re-animated and apparently suffering no ill-effects, as it still recognised it’s owners and behaved the same.  I have also read of animals, and even humans being revived after drowning in icy water by falling through the ice, sometimes hours later. Only last year I read in a newspaper of a diver on a North Sea oil platform suffering some kind of equipment malfunction and surviving for 15 minutes with no air, due to cold water.  In some clinics cooling of the body and brain is used during surgery, and I want to see more research into this.  </p>
<p>I want this to be standard procedure, when a patient has an option that in the case of a terminal illness, or injury, instead of being kept in a coma for months and years, to have a choice to be cryonicly preserved instead. It might even be cheaper than spending resources on palliative care.</p>
<p>And yes, I would like to see colonies on Mars, but robotic ones, with no nonsense like growing food in domes, air support etc.</p>
<p>Anybody who understands the exponential nature of technological evolution would see that the future is non-biological. We are destined to become machines, and I want it to happen within my life-time because I (like most people) don’t want to die. Therefore resources should be spend on programs to make this happen sooner, to extend the maximum human lifespan, so more people can benefit; on cryonics for everyone, as part of the standard health care, rather than wasting billions on building agricultural domes on Mars, and human space flights.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans need not apply, as the IRS and Citizenship taxation will still apply to you on Mars.  Have you filed your FATCA and FBAR reports?</description>
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		<title>By: Duane Morton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duane Morton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when can&#039;t we do something just because we&#039;re broke. It&#039;s the American way. Play now; pay later. Send us old codgers (upper seventies). If we don&#039;t comer back, it&#039;s no big deal. Be the first to be buried on Mars. What fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when can&#8217;t we do something just because we&#8217;re broke. It&#8217;s the American way. Play now; pay later. Send us old codgers (upper seventies). If we don&#8217;t comer back, it&#8217;s no big deal. Be the first to be buried on Mars. What fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Bri</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/wanted-mars-colonists-to-explore-red-planet/comment-page-1#comment-85517</link>
		<dc:creator>Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NASA just released a report on an asteroid mining venture. A relatively simple task of dragging an asteroid to a lunar orbit. At two billion we couldn&#039;t afford it right now. How could we afford sending up the components of a base to Mars? What TV show could generate that kind of money? Even if it were an international effort the costs would be astronomical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASA just released a report on an asteroid mining venture. A relatively simple task of dragging an asteroid to a lunar orbit. At two billion we couldn&#8217;t afford it right now. How could we afford sending up the components of a base to Mars? What TV show could generate that kind of money? Even if it were an international effort the costs would be astronomical.</p>
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		<title>By: Bri</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/wanted-mars-colonists-to-explore-red-planet/comment-page-1#comment-85510</link>
		<dc:creator>Bri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry guys everytime I read about Mars colonies, all I can think of is the movie Pitch Black. I would want a human presence in near earth and the moon first. Cut your baby teeth on more doable goals, that aren&#039;t so costly in terms of dollars and risks. Too many unknowns, too little e perience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry guys everytime I read about Mars colonies, all I can think of is the movie Pitch Black. I would want a human presence in near earth and the moon first. Cut your baby teeth on more doable goals, that aren&#8217;t so costly in terms of dollars and risks. Too many unknowns, too little e perience.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s certainly a plus that they hope to be government-free, which frees them from all of the politics of funding and so forth.  I&#039;m just not sure that they&#039;ll be able to scrape together enough seed money without government help given the current level of technology, which tends to inflate the costs.  In another decade or two or three that will hopefully be much less of a concern as technology continues its rapid development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s certainly a plus that they hope to be government-free, which frees them from all of the politics of funding and so forth.  I&#8217;m just not sure that they&#8217;ll be able to scrape together enough seed money without government help given the current level of technology, which tends to inflate the costs.  In another decade or two or three that will hopefully be much less of a concern as technology continues its rapid development.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I know they want to send robots first - but personally I think 2016 may be  a bit too soon.  These things will need to be able to do a significant amount of self-repair, since they&#039;ll be doing heavy construction with all of the potential for damage and accidents that that entails.  Sending them up too early will just mean a lot of expensive dead hardware on the Martian surface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I know they want to send robots first &#8211; but personally I think 2016 may be  a bit too soon.  These things will need to be able to do a significant amount of self-repair, since they&#8217;ll be doing heavy construction with all of the potential for damage and accidents that that entails.  Sending them up too early will just mean a lot of expensive dead hardware on the Martian surface.</p>
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		<title>By: ProfessorZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProfessorZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call the Western Hemisphere!

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		<title>By: GatorALLin</title>
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		<dc:creator>GatorALLin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...maybe when it gets its own atmosphere going....   I guess at 40-60 million miles away it can be assumed that Mars is quite independent of Earth already.</description>
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		<title>By: GatorALLin</title>
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		<dc:creator>GatorALLin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know better than to try and win the Lottery.... it is a Math Tax for stupid people. I think you are better off inventing the next big thing to save the world.</description>
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		<title>By: GatorALLin</title>
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		<dc:creator>GatorALLin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...I like that this project is government free...and politics free on purpose! I think the set of rules that any government will bring will hold back a project like this. I think they have the right idea to invite anyone from the world and encourage this to be a human challenge and avoid any one group.

TV show will need some good editing, but I think this goes beyond just a basic reality show that would appeal to the geeks or science nuts. This project is a change the universe level (if they actually go through with it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;I like that this project is government free&#8230;and politics free on purpose! I think the set of rules that any government will bring will hold back a project like this. I think they have the right idea to invite anyone from the world and encourage this to be a human challenge and avoid any one group.</p>
<p>TV show will need some good editing, but I think this goes beyond just a basic reality show that would appeal to the geeks or science nuts. This project is a change the universe level (if they actually go through with it).</p>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, right, Guillermo.  Let robots go first and build a base of good Martian brick and pressure-dome greenhouses of thick, radiation-resistant panels.</description>
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		<title>By: Gorden Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorden Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please, melajara, I don&#039;t want to go at my age.  It&#039;s too cold there.  I&#039;m tired enough of winter and there are still ten weeks left.  I want to win the lottery and go to Florida.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please, melajara, I don&#8217;t want to go at my age.  It&#8217;s too cold there.  I&#8217;m tired enough of winter and there are still ten weeks left.  I want to win the lottery and go to Florida.</p>
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		<title>By: {i}Pan~</title>
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		<dc:creator>{i}Pan~</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://accelerating.org/articles/transcensionhypothesis.html</description>
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		<title>By: GatorALLin</title>
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		<dc:creator>GatorALLin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...I bet you $10 that they never send anyone over age 45.</description>
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		<title>By: rob falgiano</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob falgiano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how long after that before Mars declares itself independent of Earth?</description>
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		<title>By: melajara</title>
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		<dc:creator>melajara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m relieved to read that there is no UPPER age limit to apply. 
Mars is welcoming SENIORS ;-)</description>
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Mars is welcoming SENIORS ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/wanted-mars-colonists-to-explore-red-planet/comment-page-1#comment-85441</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dunno - a TV show might capture people&#039;s attention for a couple of years, but the typical lifespan of these reality shows is short, and this is by definition a long-term project.  I just don&#039;t think there are enough geeks to keep the show going for as long as it would take to get the project up to a self-sustaining state.  Once the colony gets past the point of getting established and is doing things like building more infrastructure and working out any issues with growing food etc, it&#039;s likely to be a lot like watching paint dry if you&#039;re the typical TV consumer.

Most likely this will require major commitment from one or more governments - most likely for the science, since there&#039;s not a whole lot of reason to go there for anything else because the costs are just too high for normal commerce.  But we should also start to see much better AI for more advanced Mars rovers within the next 10-20 years, so I&#039;m not sure that there will be very much appetite in government to help fund this.

This might have made more sense 20-30 years ago, if we could have jump-started rocket technology then;  at that time there was less likelihood that manned science missions would be quickly overtaken by robotics, and more chance of finding government funding.  And it might make more sense in another 20-30 years, when nanotechnology and AI may allow for a significant amount of a Mars base to be constructed fairly inexpensively before sending up any colonists.  But right now we&#039;re in an awkward intermediate spot where manned science missions don&#039;t make as much sense as they once did, and our AI and nanotech are not quite up to snuff for preparing the way for human colonists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dunno &#8211; a TV show might capture people&#8217;s attention for a couple of years, but the typical lifespan of these reality shows is short, and this is by definition a long-term project.  I just don&#8217;t think there are enough geeks to keep the show going for as long as it would take to get the project up to a self-sustaining state.  Once the colony gets past the point of getting established and is doing things like building more infrastructure and working out any issues with growing food etc, it&#8217;s likely to be a lot like watching paint dry if you&#8217;re the typical TV consumer.</p>
<p>Most likely this will require major commitment from one or more governments &#8211; most likely for the science, since there&#8217;s not a whole lot of reason to go there for anything else because the costs are just too high for normal commerce.  But we should also start to see much better AI for more advanced Mars rovers within the next 10-20 years, so I&#8217;m not sure that there will be very much appetite in government to help fund this.</p>
<p>This might have made more sense 20-30 years ago, if we could have jump-started rocket technology then;  at that time there was less likelihood that manned science missions would be quickly overtaken by robotics, and more chance of finding government funding.  And it might make more sense in another 20-30 years, when nanotechnology and AI may allow for a significant amount of a Mars base to be constructed fairly inexpensively before sending up any colonists.  But right now we&#8217;re in an awkward intermediate spot where manned science missions don&#8217;t make as much sense as they once did, and our AI and nanotech are not quite up to snuff for preparing the way for human colonists.</p>
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		<title>By: Guillermo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guillermo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To anyone proposing to send robots before to build a colony for whem we go.. well that&#039;s what Mars One wants to do.. I think they want to send the robot in 2016</description>
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		<title>By: Bob L.</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/wanted-mars-colonists-to-explore-red-planet/comment-page-1#comment-85438</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph, I think that is their plan.  Check out the website &amp; read their plan I think you will find that they will send many advance ships to setup the site for the arrival of the first crew.  That is, in part, why the first crew is not going to arrive until 2023.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph, I think that is their plan.  Check out the website &amp; read their plan I think you will find that they will send many advance ships to setup the site for the arrival of the first crew.  That is, in part, why the first crew is not going to arrive until 2023&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GatorALLin</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/wanted-mars-colonists-to-explore-red-planet/comment-page-1#comment-85425</link>
		<dc:creator>GatorALLin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+++++Please bring back the Edit tool++++++    fund, not fun</description>
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		<title>By: GatorALLin</title>
		<link>http://www.kurzweilai.net/wanted-mars-colonists-to-explore-red-planet/comment-page-1#comment-85423</link>
		<dc:creator>GatorALLin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still think the idea of creating a TV show to help fun a real life human mars trip is a genius idea that could actually work. It helps kill 2 birds with one stone of raising the money and then testing possible candidates and then invites us all to watch and participate with ideas, votes, etc.   I also like the idea of a one way trip to Mars with no costs and complications of trying to come back to earth. It changes the mindset of such a trip and it shows a new level of commitment and seems more realistic if colonization is the actual purpose of going beyond our planet. I think they will have plenty of one way volunteers and might update the word hero a bit also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think the idea of creating a TV show to help fun a real life human mars trip is a genius idea that could actually work. It helps kill 2 birds with one stone of raising the money and then testing possible candidates and then invites us all to watch and participate with ideas, votes, etc.   I also like the idea of a one way trip to Mars with no costs and complications of trying to come back to earth. It changes the mindset of such a trip and it shows a new level of commitment and seems more realistic if colonization is the actual purpose of going beyond our planet. I think they will have plenty of one way volunteers and might update the word hero a bit also.</p>
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		<title>By: bodazyphir</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodazyphir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen Joseph , I don&#039;t really understand why they go to all the effort of sending fragile humans into the harsh terrain of the solar system. We should rather focus efforts on building a strong AI to do what you say , prepare a colony , or focus more on modifying our bodies to be more robust and therefore more capable of enduring the rigors of space. One major obstacle is our fragile psyche , humans in their current state are prone to depression , boredom  , any number of failings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Joseph , I don&#8217;t really understand why they go to all the effort of sending fragile humans into the harsh terrain of the solar system. We should rather focus efforts on building a strong AI to do what you say , prepare a colony , or focus more on modifying our bodies to be more robust and therefore more capable of enduring the rigors of space. One major obstacle is our fragile psyche , humans in their current state are prone to depression , boredom  , any number of failings.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s most likely that the first human on Mars will need to do little more than switch on the lights.</description>
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		<title>By: Bob Vasquez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Vasquez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THe Tea Party would be an excellent candidate; then, once there they can have it their way totally without exception no compromise it&#039;s their way or the highway.... opps, there are no highways up there.  Hmmm and no Federal Government to build them so, they will have to build them and I will be able to say to them that &quot;you built it.&quot;  I kid you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THe Tea Party would be an excellent candidate; then, once there they can have it their way totally without exception no compromise it&#8217;s their way or the highway&#8230;. opps, there are no highways up there.  Hmmm and no Federal Government to build them so, they will have to build them and I will be able to say to them that &#8220;you built it.&#8221;  I kid you.</p>
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		<title>By: joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if robotics are going to advance to the degree predicted by mr. kurzweil, then sending strong a.i. robots to mars would be safer than risking humans in the endeavor.  at least they could be sent to build a human friendly colony in preparation for the biologicals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if robotics are going to advance to the degree predicted by mr. kurzweil, then sending strong a.i. robots to mars would be safer than risking humans in the endeavor.  at least they could be sent to build a human friendly colony in preparation for the biologicals.</p>
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