Comments on: Why the sponge’s protosynapses never evolved into the real thing http://www.kurzweilai.net/why-the-sponges-protosynapses-didnt-evolve-into-the-real-thing Accelerating Intelligence Mon, 20 May 2013 02:04:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: don http://www.kurzweilai.net/why-the-sponges-protosynapses-didnt-evolve-into-the-real-thing/comment-page-1#comment-22139 don Sun, 01 Jul 2012 04:23:49 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=153981#comment-22139 sure, it needs to know when to use it's steel wool side to clean tough grime of the silverware... sure, it needs to know when to use it’s steel wool side to clean tough grime of the silverware…

]]> By: Bri http://www.kurzweilai.net/why-the-sponges-protosynapses-didnt-evolve-into-the-real-thing/comment-page-1#comment-22055 Bri Sat, 30 Jun 2012 19:19:08 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=153981#comment-22055 Who would have thought, that a sponge would need to think? Excuse me if I act poetic. Who would have thought, that a sponge would need to think? Excuse me if I act poetic.

]]> By: Bri http://www.kurzweilai.net/why-the-sponges-protosynapses-didnt-evolve-into-the-real-thing/comment-page-1#comment-22039 Bri Sat, 30 Jun 2012 17:47:18 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=153981#comment-22039 Again, look at the tree spider. Tiny brain. Yet such complex behavior. They have to coordinate eight legs. Jumping from one undulating platform(leaf or a banch) to another. They hunt, so that means they have to anticipate there opponent, in real time. Both those actions require that they formulate " hallucinations" ( hallucinating robots article) or hypothetical scenarios in real time. Which for the insect world, can be lighting quick. It's why I don't think we will need whole brain replication to make an AI smarter than us. Take that tiny spider brain. Diffuse it in a large sponge body. Reduce the level of demand to a sponges . All a sponge really needs is a fraction of a tree spider brain. Still something is causing these proto synapsis to evolve and be conserved. They gotta be doing something. ( maybe square pants knows!). Again, look at the tree spider. Tiny brain. Yet such complex behavior. They have to coordinate eight legs. Jumping from one undulating platform(leaf or a banch) to another. They hunt, so that means they have to anticipate there opponent, in real time. Both those actions require that they formulate ” hallucinations” ( hallucinating robots article) or hypothetical scenarios in real time. Which for the insect world, can be lighting quick. It’s why I don’t think we will need whole brain replication to make an AI smarter than us. Take that tiny spider brain. Diffuse it in a large sponge body. Reduce the level of demand to a sponges . All a sponge really needs is a fraction of a tree spider brain. Still something is causing these proto synapsis to evolve and be conserved. They gotta be doing something. ( maybe square pants knows!).

]]> By: Editor http://www.kurzweilai.net/why-the-sponges-protosynapses-didnt-evolve-into-the-real-thing/comment-page-1#comment-21985 Editor Sat, 30 Jun 2012 12:56:09 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=153981#comment-21985 Interesting, Alastair. We know that trees also communicate (and thus compute) via chemicals to other trees. And this just in: <a href="http://www.kurzweilai.net/insects-use-plants-to-deliver-chemical-messages-to-future-insects" rel="nofollow">Insects use plants to deliver chemical messages to future insects</a> Interesting, Alastair. We know that trees also communicate (and thus compute) via chemicals to other trees. And this just in: Insects use plants to deliver chemical messages to future insects

]]> By: Alastair Carnegie http://www.kurzweilai.net/why-the-sponges-protosynapses-didnt-evolve-into-the-real-thing/comment-page-1#comment-21957 Alastair Carnegie Sat, 30 Jun 2012 09:57:08 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=153981#comment-21957 This reminds me of the late and much mised, Professor John Lorber (Sheffield) and his paper fisrt published in the Lancet "Is Our Brain Really Necessary". He had a brilliant Mathematics patient, with hardly any detectable brain, only 5 grams of cerebral fluid bag tissue, surrounding the cranium. Dr, John's research revealed many othe 'post-mortem' patients with the same advanced Hydroecephalitis that functioned perfectly normally to the end. " Is there a metaphor here? What proto form of intelligence has been developed in us, homo sapiens, that we may not be aware of, and itself may never develop into a functioning form, but see fruition in whatever replaces us?" Perhaps those sponges only need the saline cerebral fluid of our vast oceans??? This reminds me of the late and much mised, Professor John Lorber (Sheffield) and his paper fisrt published in the Lancet “Is Our Brain Really Necessary”. He had a brilliant Mathematics patient, with hardly any detectable brain, only 5 grams of cerebral fluid bag tissue, surrounding the cranium. Dr, John’s research revealed many othe ‘post-mortem’ patients with the same advanced Hydroecephalitis that functioned perfectly normally to the end.

” Is there a metaphor here? What proto form of intelligence has been developed in us, homo sapiens, that we may not be aware of, and itself may never develop into a functioning form, but see fruition in whatever replaces us?” Perhaps those sponges only need the saline cerebral fluid of our vast oceans???

]]> By: Scott Mooney http://www.kurzweilai.net/why-the-sponges-protosynapses-didnt-evolve-into-the-real-thing/comment-page-1#comment-20858 Scott Mooney Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:35:41 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=153981#comment-20858 Did other animals with nervous systems evolve from sponges? If so, it shows that sponges did indeed evolve a nervous system... just not all of them. :-) Did other animals with nervous systems evolve from sponges? If so, it shows that sponges did indeed evolve a nervous system… just not all of them. :-)

]]> By: Editor http://www.kurzweilai.net/why-the-sponges-protosynapses-didnt-evolve-into-the-real-thing/comment-page-1#comment-20812 Editor Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:50:39 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=153981#comment-20812 Synesthesia: Yes, it seems like a new way to visualize and process information (and maybe learn) more effectively. Synesthesia: Yes, it seems like a new way to visualize and process information (and maybe learn) more effectively.

]]> By: Crosden http://www.kurzweilai.net/why-the-sponges-protosynapses-didnt-evolve-into-the-real-thing/comment-page-1#comment-20801 Crosden Tue, 26 Jun 2012 09:03:14 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=153981#comment-20801 Conditions like synesthesia might be a precursor to something else. Conditions like synesthesia might be a precursor to something else.

]]> By: Editor http://www.kurzweilai.net/why-the-sponges-protosynapses-didnt-evolve-into-the-real-thing/comment-page-1#comment-20617 Editor Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:06:17 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=153981#comment-20617 typo fixed, thanks typo fixed, thanks

]]> By: nfordkrz http://www.kurzweilai.net/why-the-sponges-protosynapses-didnt-evolve-into-the-real-thing/comment-page-1#comment-20596 nfordkrz Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:50:11 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=153981#comment-20596 "What proto form of intelligence has been developed in use, homo sapiens," How about changing that to "...developed in *us*..." to make it a little less confusing. “What proto form of intelligence has been developed in use, homo sapiens,”

How about changing that to “…developed in *us*…” to make it a little less confusing.

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