Comments on: World’s biggest geoengineering experiment ‘violates’ UN rules http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules Accelerating Intelligence Tue, 21 May 2013 21:12:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Dan Robinson http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-52953 Dan Robinson Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:50:22 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-52953 On one hand, some say that the everyday activities of seven billion people couldn't be causing global warming. On the other, a small group doing small experiments is "geoengineering" and a danger to the planet, or maybe just to some short-sighted corporations. How can we have advances if we don't allow experiments? Yes, a lot of the plankton are eaten by animal life, which produces more CO2. But doesn't more ocean life in general mean more waste and corpses falling to the bottom of the ocean? Economic systems, civilization, humanity and maybe all life on earth are dependent on finding a way to avoid severe global heating. Sometimes, someone has to take risks. On one hand, some say that the everyday activities of seven billion people couldn’t be causing global warming. On the other, a small group doing small experiments is “geoengineering” and a danger to the planet, or maybe just to some short-sighted corporations. How can we have advances if we don’t allow experiments? Yes, a lot of the plankton are eaten by animal life, which produces more CO2. But doesn’t more ocean life in general mean more waste and corpses falling to the bottom of the ocean? Economic systems, civilization, humanity and maybe all life on earth are dependent on finding a way to avoid severe global heating. Sometimes, someone has to take risks.

]]> By: Neil C. Reinhardt http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-45077 Neil C. Reinhardt Sun, 21 Oct 2012 17:18:21 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-45077 AMERICAN IS BAD! TRY GETTING YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT! AMERICA HAVE SPENT MANY TIMES MORE LIVES AND MORE RESOUCES HELPING OTHER COUNTRIES THAN HAVE ALL OTHER NATIONS COMBINDED. AMERICA IS THE REASON THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD ARE NOT COMMUNIST SLAVES AND DOMINATED BY THE USSR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE SPENT MUCH MORE TIME, EFFORT AND MONEY HELPING THOSE IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAN ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE REST OF THE WORLD! GET A CLUE! NEIL C. REINHARDT A 77 YEAR OLD 101ST AIRBORNE VET RELIGIONSUCKS@WEBTV.NET AMERICAN IS BAD!

TRY GETTING YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR BUTT!

AMERICA HAVE SPENT MANY TIMES MORE LIVES AND MORE RESOUCES HELPING OTHER COUNTRIES THAN HAVE ALL OTHER NATIONS COMBINDED.

AMERICA IS THE REASON THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD ARE NOT COMMUNIST SLAVES AND DOMINATED BY THE USSR

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE SPENT MUCH MORE TIME, EFFORT AND MONEY HELPING THOSE IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAN ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE REST OF THE WORLD!

GET A CLUE!

NEIL C. REINHARDT

A 77 YEAR OLD 101ST AIRBORNE VET

RELIGIONSUCKS@WEBTV.NET

]]> By: asiwel http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-44918 asiwel Sun, 21 Oct 2012 06:26:57 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-44918 Honestly, I agree with Bri on this one. It surely is not responsible for anyone to be doing "geo-engineering " experiments lone-wolf. Society simply can't tolerate that anymore. The same experiment, if done with thorough vetting, publicity, and various permissions and oversight by appropriate government agencies, might be quite acceptable. Honestly, I agree with Bri on this one. It surely is not responsible for anyone to be doing “geo-engineering ” experiments lone-wolf. Society simply can’t tolerate that anymore. The same experiment, if done with thorough vetting, publicity, and various permissions and oversight by appropriate government agencies, might be quite acceptable.

]]> By: Jim Mooney http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-44875 Jim Mooney Sun, 21 Oct 2012 03:21:32 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-44875 Give me a break. We're dumping millions of tons of chemicals and plastics into the ocean all the time, and no one is making as big a fuss. This is a tempest in a teapot. Good fodder for the scaremongering news. Give me a break. We’re dumping millions of tons of chemicals and plastics into the ocean all the time, and no one is making as big a fuss. This is a tempest in a teapot. Good fodder for the scaremongering news.

]]> By: Peter the printer http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-44126 Peter the printer Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:44:30 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-44126 It's the dumping in the ocean that's news, not the fact he ignored the UN, something Americans do whenever it suits. It’s the dumping in the ocean that’s news, not the fact he ignored the UN, something Americans do whenever it suits.

]]> By: Peter the printer http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-44124 Peter the printer Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:41:52 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-44124 Oh dear. You really haven't been paying attention to science as opposed to the deranged denialist websites that make it up as they go along. Actually, it's a long time since the last ice age, and you may have missed the fact that the ice caps are melting, and at an accelerating rate. You don't know much about ecology do you? http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php will answer all your questions about climate change. Cooler doesn't mean 'another ice age' and warmer doesn't mean good good good. Try to think outside your little box. Oh dear. You really haven’t been paying attention to science as opposed to the deranged denialist websites that make it up as they go along. Actually, it’s a long time since the last ice age, and you may have missed the fact that the ice caps are melting, and at an accelerating rate. You don’t know much about ecology do you? http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php will answer all your questions about climate change. Cooler doesn’t mean ‘another ice age’ and warmer doesn’t mean good good good. Try to think outside your little box.

]]> By: Peter the printer http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-44123 Peter the printer Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:35:19 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-44123 No. The oceans are already turning acidic as a result of absorbing carbon as this shows http://www.livescience.com/18786-ocean-acidification-extinction.html so increasing this would seem to be not a good idea as it's making it more and more difficult for marine species to adapt. Not that this person cares about anything but making a profit. An American doing it off the West coast of Canada though? No. The oceans are already turning acidic as a result of absorbing carbon as this shows http://www.livescience.com/18786-ocean-acidification-extinction.html so increasing this would seem to be not a good idea as it’s making it more and more difficult for marine species to adapt.
Not that this person cares about anything but making a profit. An American doing it off the West coast of Canada though?

]]> By: Mark http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-44122 Mark Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:32:13 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-44122 The UN is not a force in itself, but a democratic representation of the countries of the world. America, as the most powerful nation, can (and often does) choose to ignore the UN, but then America is essentially acting as a dictator to the rest of us. In the next few decades, when the size of China propels them to the top, the US may change it's opinion of the UN. Secondly, how can it be a good thing if 1 guy unilaterally decides to conduct an experiment that could cause tremendous damage and destruction to millions of sea creatures? Doesn't democracy, as trumpeted in the US, means taking the opinion of others into account? Do unto others as you would them do unto you... The UN is not a force in itself, but a democratic representation of the countries of the world. America, as the most powerful nation, can (and often does) choose to ignore the UN, but then America is essentially acting as a dictator to the rest of us.

In the next few decades, when the size of China propels them to the top, the US may change it’s opinion of the UN.

Secondly, how can it be a good thing if 1 guy unilaterally decides to conduct an experiment that could cause tremendous damage and destruction to millions of sea creatures?
Doesn’t democracy, as trumpeted in the US, means taking the opinion of others into account? Do unto others as you would them do unto you…

]]> By: Peter the printer http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-44119 Peter the printer Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:29:07 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-44119 Ah, one of those who conveniently denies we did it. Bit like a three year olds with chocolate round their mouth denying they ate the cookies. I think you'll find if you study it a bit more that we are responsible however inconvenient that is. Ah, one of those who conveniently denies we did it. Bit like a three year olds with chocolate round their mouth denying they ate the cookies. I think you’ll find if you study it a bit more that we are responsible however inconvenient that is.

]]> By: Peter Simmons http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-44116 Peter Simmons Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:25:49 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-44116 How typically, arrogantly American. Since they drenched half of Asia with Agent Orange during the Vietnam war, they do have a track record for careless pollution for their own ends. The oceans absorb carbon anyway, and are becoming more acidic as a result, and harming the ecosystem, this appears to be a method of ensuring the oceans are reduced to acidified lifelessness. Perhaps he doesn't like fish. How typically, arrogantly American. Since they drenched half of Asia with Agent Orange during the Vietnam war, they do have a track record for careless pollution for their own ends. The oceans absorb carbon anyway, and are becoming more acidic as a result, and harming the ecosystem, this appears to be a method of ensuring the oceans are reduced to acidified lifelessness. Perhaps he doesn’t like fish.

]]> By: Gabriel http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-43457 Gabriel Thu, 18 Oct 2012 03:22:08 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-43457 In other words Logic, it's our nature to master, well, nature :p...We are the only species capable of wanting to question "why"...why we think the way we do, and what is our nature and why...other creatures simply aren't capable of this self-reflection. In other words Logic, it’s our nature to master, well, nature :p…We are the only species capable of wanting to question “why”…why we think the way we do, and what is our nature and why…other creatures simply aren’t capable of this self-reflection.

]]> By: Logic http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-43441 Logic Thu, 18 Oct 2012 02:17:04 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-43441 I would argue that there's nothing pretentious about an animal living in accordance with its nature. Our nature is to attempt to control our environment with technology to ensure our survival. I would argue that, yes, we will solve our problems (whether we caused them or not) because that's our curious, inquisitive, ambitious, adventurous minds do. I would argue that there’s nothing pretentious about an animal living in accordance with its nature. Our nature is to attempt to control our environment with technology to ensure our survival. I would argue that, yes, we will solve our problems (whether we caused them or not) because that’s our curious, inquisitive, ambitious, adventurous minds do.

]]> By: MikeB http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-43387 MikeB Wed, 17 Oct 2012 23:11:34 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-43387 @G Russell - cool idea. Scientists can approach me to do illegal experiments. I run the risk and they get to do the research they want. @anyone - given that our planet continues to surprise us the more we study it, isn't it a bit pretentious for us to think that, not only are we the cause of the problem, but we can fix it? I believe neither. @G Russell – cool idea. Scientists can approach me to do illegal experiments. I run the risk and they get to do the research they want.

@anyone – given that our planet continues to surprise us the more we study it, isn’t it a bit pretentious for us to think that, not only are we the cause of the problem, but we can fix it? I believe neither.

]]> By: Mortran http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-43369 Mortran Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:02:32 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-43369 If it really removes CO2 from the atmosphere, it is about the most stupid thing to do. We should all be happy about global warming. Finally the biosphere is recovering from the ecological disaster of the ice ages. Why the hell would anybody want the planet to become cooler? Why should we want another ice age? It's insane! If it really removes CO2 from the atmosphere, it is about the most stupid thing to do. We should all be happy about global warming. Finally the biosphere is recovering from the ecological disaster of the ice ages. Why the hell would anybody want the planet to become cooler? Why should we want another ice age? It’s insane!

]]> By: egore http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-43304 egore Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:12:41 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-43304 Dumping waste in the ocean is a business of itself, which can have large profits.Also terrible eco problems. Dumping waste in the ocean is a business of itself, which can have large profits.Also terrible eco problems.

]]> By: Rob Larson http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-43294 Rob Larson Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:24:13 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-43294 It's illegal, according to the UN, for an individual to do this, yet the UN says nothing about governments performing experiments on the populations of the areas they control. Nice to see the UN is morally bankrupt as ever. It’s illegal, according to the UN, for an individual to do this, yet the UN says nothing about governments performing experiments on the populations of the areas they control. Nice to see the UN is morally bankrupt as ever.

]]> By: Bri http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-43278 Bri Wed, 17 Oct 2012 14:02:37 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-43278 It's already been tested. It works, it's just can we anticipate the environmental side effects, and how do we monitor and regulate. It’s already been tested. It works, it’s just can we anticipate the environmental side effects, and how do we monitor and regulate.

]]> By: DeBee Corley http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-43277 DeBee Corley Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:57:16 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-43277 But, wait.. The business man could claim: "prohibited for-profit ocean fertilization activities" were not done. He didn't make a profit. What would a "good" lawyer do? But, wait..
The business man could claim: “prohibited for-profit ocean fertilization activities” were not done. He didn’t make a profit.
What would a “good” lawyer do?

]]> By: Gorden Russell http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-43272 Gorden Russell Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:45:09 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-43272 Sure, it was reckless of him to go ahead and do this on his own, but now that it has been done, it may as well be studied to see if it is working. Sure, it was reckless of him to go ahead and do this on his own, but now that it has been done, it may as well be studied to see if it is working.

]]> By: Ralph Dratman http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-43266 Ralph Dratman Wed, 17 Oct 2012 13:26:31 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-43266 Ok, so he did something wrong. But if the methods really works, could it be useful? Ok, so he did something wrong. But if the methods really works, could it be useful?

]]> By: Blake Hall http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-43250 Blake Hall Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:22:09 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-43250 The UN and "international law" have about as much global authority as an internet forum. Not commenting on whether that's good or bad, that's just how it is currently. The UN and “international law” have about as much global authority as an internet forum. Not commenting on whether that’s good or bad, that’s just how it is currently.

]]> By: Bri http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-43243 Bri Wed, 17 Oct 2012 11:00:55 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-43243 I think he should be brought up on charges. It's a violation of international law. He should be jailed and fined. I think he should be brought up on charges. It’s a violation of international law. He should be jailed and fined.

]]> By: Vin http://www.kurzweilai.net/worlds-biggest-geoengineering-experiment-violates-un-rules/comment-page-1#comment-43194 Vin Wed, 17 Oct 2012 06:36:56 +0000 http://www.kurzweilai.net/?p=167353#comment-43194 UN ignored again? How is this news? UN ignored again? How is this news?

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